Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[Spacely]

Another good note that I heard, Tyler Herro’s contract doesn’t go into affect until July 1st, so if we did the trade on draft night highly doubt Herro would be moved on a rookie contract.

It can be agreed on premise, just inked after the July 1st date so the salary's match.

How do you feel about throwing an extra first instead of adding Herro?

Lowry, Robinson, #18 + Future FRP

[Daffy]

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Westbrook/Beal reunion

Spacing would be terrible

Russ
Beal
Jimmy
Jovic/Love
Bam

We need 3 guys who can shoot in a starting line-up with Bam and Jimmy.

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Great interview. Miss him.

[AirP.]

To me the Beal trade is simple. He has a NTC so he has to not only accept the team he's being traded to but the actual players being traded, so basically Washington does what Beal want or they have to keep Beal and his contract which also means staying in the middle of the league with no real cap space to add talent or take on contracts for draft picks, basically Washington has to move Beal where Beal wants and for what Beal wants left on that team or they're stuck until his contract runs out.

Miami's side, they may want to expand the trade, Beal is a good/great player but he's not worth the contract he has so he is overpaid, Miami may have a stipulation that Washington has to take back Robinson's long term money and also expand the trade to get one or more additional players that can be in their rotation... D.Wright, M.Morris, D.Gafford and/or Porzingis(opt in). It's possible that Miami won't include Herro just for Beal, but if Porzingis were to opt in and be in the trade Miami could send them Lowry, Herro, Robinson and Oladipo for those 2, they'd get a young player with potential that they could market, nearly 40 million in expiring contracts and also have an overpaid 3pt threat that is under contract for 3 more years (player option will be picked up!) which means he's an expiring in 2 years.

If Miami somehow comes out of the summer with Butler, Bam, Beal and Porzingis they will be the favorite to get out of the East, With Bird rights you'd have the opportunity to retain Porzingis but that's a ton of salary. Also, next summer C.Martin will opt out and need a new contract, so possibly giving him up in the trade may be acceptable for the long run.

[Spacely]

Trade scenarios:
Lowry, Robinson #18 + Future FRP

for Beal


Tyler Herro, Oladipo + Future FRP

Myles Turner, Buddy Hield

[Lennyzinho]

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The Bucks dont make sense. I agree it's smokescreen or posturing. Middleton was involved in the coaching search to replace buldenhozer with Adrian griffin. He is widely expected to turn down player option and figure out long term deal with bucks. And why would wizards want jrue or middleton when they're trying to do a rebuild? It's fake news.

I'm watching Harden. If Harden goes to rockets, sixers are gonna chase beal hard with Tobias Harris 40M expiring and draft assets. If Harden stays, knock sixers off that list.

Who is left? Hawks with some crazy trae swap? The magic? OKC or Utah maybe throws some picks at wizards but why would beal OK those trades? Lakers have no assets... i just don't see any trade partners...
as long as micky ok's it and is willing to go up to 172-179M 2nd apron limit and we don't clear the treasure chest of assets, adding Beal would be interesting and focus on Jimmy's window.

I believe the 76ers are devoid of FRPs that they can trade

Ya, you're right, they are. They'd have to send their 2029 FRP and Jaden Springer (#28 in 2021 draft) and some 2nd round picks along with Tobias. Think Heat are really going to play tough with Wiz as they usually do and give up as little as possible. Wiz will ask for either Herro or Maxey and try to drive price up.

I can see Heat trying to get Beal with Lowry, Dipo, S&T Strus and #18. Wiz get a ton of cap space for next year, #18 and an ok contract/asset in Strus to help in further trades or be a floor spacer for them with Kuzma and draft picks.

I really don't think Beal is worth picks and Herro. We shall see.

[CrossOver]

The Bucks dont make sense. I agree it's smokescreen or posturing. Middleton was involved in the coaching search to replace buldenhozer with Adrian griffin. He is widely expected to turn down player option and figure out long term deal with bucks. And why would wizards want jrue or middleton when they're trying to do a rebuild? It's fake news.

I'm watching Harden. If Harden goes to rockets, sixers are gonna chase beal hard with Tobias Harris 40M expiring and draft assets. If Harden stays, knock sixers off that list.

Who is left? Hawks with some crazy trae swap? The magic? OKC or Utah maybe throws some picks at wizards but why would beal OK those trades? Lakers have no assets... i just don't see any trade partners...
as long as micky ok's it and is willing to go up to 172-179M 2nd apron limit and we don't clear the treasure chest of assets, adding Beal would be interesting and focus on Jimmy's window.

I believe the 76ers are devoid of FRPs that they can trade

Ya, you're right, they are. They'd have to send their 2029 FRP and Jaden Springer (#28 in 2021 draft) and some 2nd round picks along with Tobias. Think Heat are really going to play tough with Wiz as they usually do and give up as little as possible. Wiz will ask for either Herro or Maxey and try to drive price up.

I can see Heat trying to get Beal with Lowry, Dipo, S&T Strus and #18. Wiz get a ton of cap space for next year, #18 and an ok contract/asset in Strus to help in further trades or be a floor spacer for them with Kuzma and draft picks.

I really don't think Beal is worth picks and Herro. We shall see.

Strus won't be involved. Can't sign and trade a player with other assets or players coming from that same team nor would the Wizards even be interested in him.

[MartyCONLONNN]

Looks like the Beal thing is happening at some point. Another reporter just mentioned that Beal has Miami far and above the rest of the field. Looks like it will boil down to negotiations but I think it's clear Beal has friends here, has a strong connection with Wade and has high regards for Spo too.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Trade scenarios:
Lowry, Robinson #18 + Future FRP

for Beal


Tyler Herro, Oladipo + Future FRP

Myles Turner, Buddy Hield

Yes please

[Beenie]

Curious to see how the draft unfolds

At this point, Zion going back to the Pels seems less likely than if he’s traded.

If port decides to keep dame and build, there’s a natural fit for those two teams to strike a deal with each other which eliminates Dame to Mia

And I suspect mia will want to first see what happens with dame on draft day before settling on Beal

[gom]

Another good note that I heard, Tyler Herro’s contract doesn’t go into affect until July 1st, so if we did the trade on draft night highly doubt Herro would be moved on a rookie contract.

It can be agreed on premise, just inked after the July 1st date so the salary's match.

How do you feel about throwing an extra first instead of adding Herro?

Lowry, Robinson, #18 + Future FRP

I like Robinson but I'd rather not give up Herro.

[QUIZ]

Looks like the Beal thing is happening at some point. Another reporter just mentioned that Beal has Miami far and above the rest of the field. Looks like it will boil down to negotiations but I think it's clear Beal has friends here, has a strong connection with Wade and has high regards for Spo too.

Genuinely curious what Beals value is. If we trade Herro who has 4yr 120mill on his contract and is 7 years younger, for Beal who has 4yr 207mill left, how much do we really have to give on top of that?

Is Beal worth Herro and a FRP? I can kinda see why Bobby marks proposed the package of Herro, Duncan, and a 2028 pick for Beal cause it lets us unload Duncan’s contract too.

[QUIZ]

I think people who are proposing a package without Herro need to look at it from the wizards perspective. If they’re getting Herro in return then at least that let’s then reset. If they’re trading Beal for one pick and some filler contracts, where does they leave them? At that point they might as well just keep him.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Curious to see how the draft unfolds

At this point, Zion going back to the Pels seems less likely than if he’s traded.

If port decides to keep dame and build, there’s a natural fit for those two teams to strike a deal with each other which eliminates Dame to Mia

And I suspect mia will want to first see what happens with dame on draft day before settling on Beal

Yea I don’t think there’s a rush where we feel like we need to get something done by tomorrow or anything. Beal wants Miami, he’s not going anywhere until he sees it’s not happening

[greg4012]

Another good note that I heard, Tyler Herro’s contract doesn’t go into affect until July 1st, so if we did the trade on draft night highly doubt Herro would be moved on a rookie contract.

It can be agreed on premise, just inked after the July 1st date so the salary's match.

How do you feel about throwing an extra first instead of adding Herro?

Lowry, Robinson, #18 + Future FRP

IMO it all adds up to the same thing. Being able to get Beal for a reduced price is what potentially unlocks having picks (or Herro) available for the second move. Big picture it's likely all about 2 trades involving some combo of Herro, #18, 2 FRPs, Lowry, Duncan, Oladipo to get back Beal (+filler) and a starting PF/C (+filler) that can play with Bam.

People are getting too caught up on the Beal-Herro comparison and inclusion of him in one deal vs the other.

[oreon]

Herro had a very random injury, so I don't blame that on him. What I do blame him on is that it was it a very stupid play and Herro making stupid basketball decisions is normal. The play, G.Allen lost the ball that went in the backcourt, Allen could have picked the ball up earlier but took his time basically baiting Herro into diving for the ball that he had no chance of getting and leaving Miami having to play 4 on 5 which is a big disadvantage, him breaking his hand is just an anomaly in that situation. He does seem to get hurt a lot but he's still early in his career, it could all just be bad luck (and some bad decisions).

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Defense once again was Miami's strength, they need to figure out how to stay as good defensively as they are while getting better offense, I question letting the defense getting worse just to be better on offense, it really didn't work most of the season, yet they went on a great run when they had to rely on their defense.

I don't mind the hustle. He was just unlucky. It's unfortunate his Heat career ended this way. He can be really really good but he needs a situation where he can play a ton of minutes and work through his mistakes. Miami may not be the best place for that, as we are in win now. Washington would be great for him as he would be lead guard. Blazers they already have so many guards so maybe not there. But by far I prefer Dame over Beal. And I'd rather keep roster as is than take on Beal's contract. Dame is the prize and I hope Herro keeps working in the future proves his doubters wrong

Hustle is great, the point is that it was a low basketball IQ play because there was no way he was getting the ball before Allen , yet he still dove taking himself out of the possession, even had he not broke his hand it was a horrible decision because it gave the Bucks a 4 on 5 they should have capitalized on.

Players dive all the time for balls they may not reach. He got unlucky he got hurt. 98 % of the time the player comes out okay in those situations. If you want to call him a low IQ player for other stuff that's fair but this was just unlucky.

[greg4012]

I don't mind the hustle. He was just unlucky. It's unfortunate his Heat career ended this way. He can be really really good but he needs a situation where he can play a ton of minutes and work through his mistakes. Miami may not be the best place for that, as we are in win now. Washington would be great for him as he would be lead guard. Blazers they already have so many guards so maybe not there. But by far I prefer Dame over Beal. And I'd rather keep roster as is than take on Beal's contract. Dame is the prize and I hope Herro keeps working in the future proves his doubters wrong

Hustle is great, the point is that it was a low basketball IQ play because there was no way he was getting the ball before Allen , yet he still dove taking himself out of the possession, even had he not broke his hand it was a horrible decision because it gave the Bucks a 4 on 5 they should have capitalized on.

Players dive all the time for balls they may not reach. He got unlucky he got hurt. 98 % of the time the player comes out okay in those situations. If you want to call him a low IQ player for other stuff that's fair but this was just unlucky.

Know your body. Know your frame. McLovin is more likely to break a bone bumping with giants than a NFL TE is.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Players dive all the time for balls they may not reach. He got unlucky he got hurt. 98 % of the time the player comes out okay in those situations. If you want to call him a low IQ player for other stuff that's fair but this was just unlucky.

Herro is made of glass. How the hell do you BREAK YOUR HAND on a non contact play like this?

like what? please unload this guy this summer in a beal or dame trade.

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[twozeroMM]

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Great interview. Miss him.

First of Dwyane is such a respectable human, we couldn't have chosen a better person to represent this franchise for so many years.

With that said, after watching this I'm confident he will be apart of this franchise in some capacity within the next 3-5 years.