Portland #3 trade rumors part 2

[HumbleRen]

You guys think Dame is texting pascal on the low-low? Trying to get him to request a trade to Portland. Or maybe he’s texting OG, or maybe both

Cmon Dame work that magic, pascal is a perfect #2 for you

Dame been texting every above average player since 2019.

[ArthurVandelay]

Interesting article. Good break down of lottery pick trades and the post-trade results. Article begins noting Dame led the league in offensive estimated BPM of 8.1 per 100.

What Does History Say Portland Should Do With the No. 3 Pick?
Should the Trail Blazers take Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller, or trade their pick to maximize Damian Lillard’s prime? To better sort through the 2023 NBA draft’s most interesting dilemma, we examine every deal this century in which a team exchanged a top pick for immediate veteran help.

Tier A: Led to a Championship
Lakers trade no. 4 pick in 2019 (De’Andre Hunter) for Anthony Davis
Cavaliers trade no. 1 pick in 2014 (Andrew Wiggins) for Kevin Love
Celtics trade no. 5 pick in 2007 (Jeff Green) for Ray Allen

Here’s the good news for Portland: These three precedents show that it’s possible to convert a top pick into a chance at a title-winning roster upgrade. Both the Lakers and Celtics won championships the very next season after making these trades, while the Cavaliers reached the Finals in Year 1 and won it all in Year 2.

It’s not as if any of these championship teams were much better positioned before making these trades than Portland is now. The Lakers didn’t make the playoffs in 2019, the Cavaliers in 2014, or the Celtics in 2007. (Naturally—that’s how they landed high lottery picks in the first place.)

But here’s the bad news for Portland: Those championship turnarounds required not just one, but two star additions. The 2019-20 Lakers didn’t just need Davis, but also a healthy LeBron James, who’d played a career-low number of games the previous season. The 2014-15 Cavaliers benefited from LeBron’s return to Cleveland, in addition to Love. And the 2007-08 Celtics brought in Allen and Kevin Garnett together.

And unfortunately for the Trail Blazers, they don’t have the means to acquire two stars this summer. The best they’re likely to do in free agency is re-sign Jerami Grant, who already played for the team that missed the playoffs last season. Anfernee Simons is another possible trade chip, but he’d probably be included in any swap of the no. 3 pick, the same way that Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball were also part of the Davis trade, or Anthony Bennett was also part of the Love trade. Shaedon Sharpe is reportedly “off limits” in trade talks this summer.

So, can Portland parlay a pick trade into a Finals run? It’s possible. But because they’d be hard-pressed to follow both steps their potential predecessors took, it’s mighty unlikely.

I disagree Portland can't add 2 stars. To do it they need to unlock their draft picks and let go of Sharpe but Sharpe and 3 can't be in the same deal.

Tier B: No Championship, but No Regrets Either
Pelicans trade no. 6 pick in 2013 (Nerlens Noel) for Jrue Holiday
Rockets trade no. 8 pick in 2006 (Rudy Gay) for Shane Battier
Wizards trade no. 5 pick in 2004 (Devin Harris) for Antawn Jamison
Clippers trade no. 2 pick in 2001 (Tyson Chandler) for Elton Brand

Tier C: Could’ve Been Worse
Timberwolves trade no. 7 pick in 2017 (Lauri Markkanen) for Jimmy Butler
Bobcats trade no. 8 pick in 2007 (Brandan Wright) for Jason Richardson

Tier D: Outright Disaster
Wizards trade no. 5 pick in 2009 (Ricky Rubio) for Randy Foye and Mike Miller
Suns trade no. 7 pick in 2004 (Luol Deng) for, essentially, the cap space used to sign Quentin Richardson
Knicks trade no. 7 pick in 2002 (Nene) for Antonio McDyess
Hawks trade no. 3 pick in 2001 (Pau Gasol) for Shareef Abdur-Rahim

https://www.theringer.com/nba-draft/2023/6/20/23766680/portland-trail-blazers-2023-draft-dilemma-3-pick-trade-damian-lillard-scoot-henderson-brandon-miller

[OakleyDokely]

REPORT: Blazers acquire time machine and bring back prime MJ and Magic to team up with Lillard.

JRoy: Pass.

[Fairview4Life]

REPORT: Blazers acquire time machine and bring back prime MJ and Magic to team up with Lillard.

JRoy: Pass.

Only pass if trading Sharpe is required to start up the time machine.

[ruckus]

As much as I'd like to get the 3rd pick in the draft, for the Blazers, it seems like such a shortsighted move to try and get one last kick at the can with Dame.

Their best season was our championship season and they've just been bleeding out slowly since then. And as much as we complain about Pascal and Fred aging out, Dame is already well into his thirties.

Portland is probably in more dire need of a rebuild than the Raptors at this point.

[Duffman100]

REPORT: Blazers acquire time machine and bring back prime MJ and Magic to team up with Lillard.

JRoy: Pass.

Only pass if trading Sharpe is required to start up the time machine.

What if the time machine won't sign an extension?

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[JRoy]

REPORT: Blazers acquire time machine and bring back prime MJ and Magic to team up with Lillard.

JRoy: Pass.

Straw man

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If they don't resign Jakob, even I can't defend that.

That would be a massive red flag.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Interesting article. Good break down of lottery pick trades and the post-trade results. Article begins noting Dame led the league in offensive estimated BPM of 8.1 per 100.

What Does History Say Portland Should Do With the No. 3 Pick?
Should the Trail Blazers take Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller, or trade their pick to maximize Damian Lillard’s prime? To better sort through the 2023 NBA draft’s most interesting dilemma, we examine every deal this century in which a team exchanged a top pick for immediate veteran help.

Tier A: Led to a Championship
Lakers trade no. 4 pick in 2019 (De’Andre Hunter) for Anthony Davis
Cavaliers trade no. 1 pick in 2014 (Andrew Wiggins) for Kevin Love
Celtics trade no. 5 pick in 2007 (Jeff Green) for Ray Allen

Here’s the good news for Portland: These three precedents show that it’s possible to convert a top pick into a chance at a title-winning roster upgrade. Both the Lakers and Celtics won championships the very next season after making these trades, while the Cavaliers reached the Finals in Year 1 and won it all in Year 2.

It’s not as if any of these championship teams were much better positioned before making these trades than Portland is now. The Lakers didn’t make the playoffs in 2019, the Cavaliers in 2014, or the Celtics in 2007. (Naturally—that’s how they landed high lottery picks in the first place.)

But here’s the bad news for Portland: Those championship turnarounds required not just one, but two star additions. The 2019-20 Lakers didn’t just need Davis, but also a healthy LeBron James, who’d played a career-low number of games the previous season. The 2014-15 Cavaliers benefited from LeBron’s return to Cleveland, in addition to Love. And the 2007-08 Celtics brought in Allen and Kevin Garnett together.

And unfortunately for the Trail Blazers, they don’t have the means to acquire two stars this summer. The best they’re likely to do in free agency is re-sign Jerami Grant, who already played for the team that missed the playoffs last season. Anfernee Simons is another possible trade chip, but he’d probably be included in any swap of the no. 3 pick, the same way that Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball were also part of the Davis trade, or Anthony Bennett was also part of the Love trade. Shaedon Sharpe is reportedly “off limits” in trade talks this summer.

So, can Portland parlay a pick trade into a Finals run? It’s possible. But because they’d be hard-pressed to follow both steps their potential predecessors took, it’s mighty unlikely.

I disagree Portland can't add 2 stars. To do it they need to unlock their draft picks and let go of Sharpe but Sharpe and 3 can't be in the same deal.

Tier B: No Championship, but No Regrets Either
Pelicans trade no. 6 pick in 2013 (Nerlens Noel) for Jrue Holiday
Rockets trade no. 8 pick in 2006 (Rudy Gay) for Shane Battier
Wizards trade no. 5 pick in 2004 (Devin Harris) for Antawn Jamison
Clippers trade no. 2 pick in 2001 (Tyson Chandler) for Elton Brand

Tier C: Could’ve Been Worse
Timberwolves trade no. 7 pick in 2017 (Lauri Markkanen) for Jimmy Butler
Bobcats trade no. 8 pick in 2007 (Brandan Wright) for Jason Richardson

Tier D: Outright Disaster
Wizards trade no. 5 pick in 2009 (Ricky Rubio) for Randy Foye and Mike Miller
Suns trade no. 7 pick in 2004 (Luol Deng) for, essentially, the cap space used to sign Quentin Richardson
Knicks trade no. 7 pick in 2002 (Nene) for Antonio McDyess
Hawks trade no. 3 pick in 2001 (Pau Gasol) for Shareef Abdur-Rahim

https://www.theringer.com/nba-draft/2023/6/20/23766680/portland-trail-blazers-2023-draft-dilemma-3-pick-trade-damian-lillard-scoot-henderson-brandon-miller

I'm not going to read the article, but I think one mistake they made was implying that 3 stars are needed, when Denver just won with 2 and Miami had just 2. LAL won with 2 (although one was LeBron). Whether Siakam is enough of a #2 is debatable, but it's dangerous to compare eras and CBAs.

Worth noting even in the outright disaster category the worst example is of a prospect panning out is Pau, who was eventually run out of town by an scapegoating emo fanbase and hand delivered to the Lakers to save Kobe's legacy in LAL. Seems like a relevant example of why you shouldn't turn on your better players

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If they don't resign Jakob, even I can't defend that.

That would be a massive red flag.

If we do lose Jak, who do you even blame, Masai? Bobby? I would want to know as fans who made these decisions to "go for it" at the trade deadline, that particular individual has to be held accountable. I have a hard time believing it's Masai given his history of excellence, but I could be wrong.

[OakleyDokely]

REPORT: Blazers acquire time machine and bring back prime MJ and Magic to team up with Lillard.

JRoy: Pass.

Straw man

Straw man has a no trade

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If they don't resign Jakob, even I can't defend that.

That would be a massive red flag.

It’s a bit of a catch-22.

In light of the acquisition cost, it would seem foolish not to re-sign Yak.

In light of what it would signify (a full on run it back as he’s not signing to be part of a rebuild), it would be disappointing to resign him.

Not Masai’s finest work, tbh.

Up to me, I’m considering the first we paid for Yak a sunk cost, letting him walk and embracing a retool.

No idea what we’re actually going to do.

[gbball]

Interesting article. Good break down of lottery pick trades and the post-trade results. Article begins noting Dame led the league in offensive estimated BPM of 8.1 per 100.

What Does History Say Portland Should Do With the No. 3 Pick?
Should the Trail Blazers take Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller, or trade their pick to maximize Damian Lillard’s prime? To better sort through the 2023 NBA draft’s most interesting dilemma, we examine every deal this century in which a team exchanged a top pick for immediate veteran help.

Tier A: Led to a Championship
Lakers trade no. 4 pick in 2019 (De’Andre Hunter) for Anthony Davis
Cavaliers trade no. 1 pick in 2014 (Andrew Wiggins) for Kevin Love
Celtics trade no. 5 pick in 2007 (Jeff Green) for Ray Allen

Here’s the good news for Portland: These three precedents show that it’s possible to convert a top pick into a chance at a title-winning roster upgrade. Both the Lakers and Celtics won championships the very next season after making these trades, while the Cavaliers reached the Finals in Year 1 and won it all in Year 2.

It’s not as if any of these championship teams were much better positioned before making these trades than Portland is now. The Lakers didn’t make the playoffs in 2019, the Cavaliers in 2014, or the Celtics in 2007. (Naturally—that’s how they landed high lottery picks in the first place.)

But here’s the bad news for Portland: Those championship turnarounds required not just one, but two star additions. The 2019-20 Lakers didn’t just need Davis, but also a healthy LeBron James, who’d played a career-low number of games the previous season. The 2014-15 Cavaliers benefited from LeBron’s return to Cleveland, in addition to Love. And the 2007-08 Celtics brought in Allen and Kevin Garnett together.

And unfortunately for the Trail Blazers, they don’t have the means to acquire two stars this summer. The best they’re likely to do in free agency is re-sign Jerami Grant, who already played for the team that missed the playoffs last season. Anfernee Simons is another possible trade chip, but he’d probably be included in any swap of the no. 3 pick, the same way that Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball were also part of the Davis trade, or Anthony Bennett was also part of the Love trade. Shaedon Sharpe is reportedly “off limits” in trade talks this summer.

So, can Portland parlay a pick trade into a Finals run? It’s possible. But because they’d be hard-pressed to follow both steps their potential predecessors took, it’s mighty unlikely.

I disagree Portland can't add 2 stars. To do it they need to unlock their draft picks and let go of Sharpe but Sharpe and 3 can't be in the same deal.

Tier B: No Championship, but No Regrets Either
Pelicans trade no. 6 pick in 2013 (Nerlens Noel) for Jrue Holiday
Rockets trade no. 8 pick in 2006 (Rudy Gay) for Shane Battier
Wizards trade no. 5 pick in 2004 (Devin Harris) for Antawn Jamison
Clippers trade no. 2 pick in 2001 (Tyson Chandler) for Elton Brand

Tier C: Could’ve Been Worse
Timberwolves trade no. 7 pick in 2017 (Lauri Markkanen) for Jimmy Butler
Bobcats trade no. 8 pick in 2007 (Brandan Wright) for Jason Richardson

Tier D: Outright Disaster
Wizards trade no. 5 pick in 2009 (Ricky Rubio) for Randy Foye and Mike Miller
Suns trade no. 7 pick in 2004 (Luol Deng) for, essentially, the cap space used to sign Quentin Richardson
Knicks trade no. 7 pick in 2002 (Nene) for Antonio McDyess
Hawks trade no. 3 pick in 2001 (Pau Gasol) for Shareef Abdur-Rahim

https://www.theringer.com/nba-draft/2023/6/20/23766680/portland-trail-blazers-2023-draft-dilemma-3-pick-trade-damian-lillard-scoot-henderson-brandon-miller

Siakam is as sure a thing as the Blazers can get. I personally wouldn't want to give him up unless its for another sure thing. No one at 3 is that. Sharpe is pretty close.

Portland is in a tough spot, because giving up Sharpe would hurt unless they win a chip. But if they don't do a deal, they probably don't come any closer.

They need to do 2 trades. A Sharp package and a number 3 package. They should try to get Siakam and maybe a guy like Okongwu or Capela from Atlanta. Get Dame to the playoffs with a good supporting cast and solid defense and you have a chance.

They're not going to get a better opportunity.

[arbsn]

Imagine trading 3 picks for Jak and he walks?


My gut is if Siakam gets traded, FVV and Jak both walk

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JRoy: MJ and Magic won't push us over the top. Pass.

[ArthurVandelay]

Imagine trading 3 picks for Jak and he walks?


My gut is if Siakam gets traded, FVV and Jak both walk

I think 5 years and $100m would ease his heart.

But another thing, who knows what the dynamics were between them? Yak was gone for 4 years and in that time FVV and Pascal went from young guys trying to make it like Yak to Batman and Robin on Toronto. People change especially with ego and money. This is all speculation on my part!

[JRoy]

Interesting article. Good break down of lottery pick trades and the post-trade results. Article begins noting Dame led the league in offensive estimated BPM of 8.1 per 100.

What Does History Say Portland Should Do With the No. 3 Pick?
Should the Trail Blazers take Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller, or trade their pick to maximize Damian Lillard’s prime? To better sort through the 2023 NBA draft’s most interesting dilemma, we examine every deal this century in which a team exchanged a top pick for immediate veteran help.

Tier A: Led to a Championship
Lakers trade no. 4 pick in 2019 (De’Andre Hunter) for Anthony Davis
Cavaliers trade no. 1 pick in 2014 (Andrew Wiggins) for Kevin Love
Celtics trade no. 5 pick in 2007 (Jeff Green) for Ray Allen

Here’s the good news for Portland: These three precedents show that it’s possible to convert a top pick into a chance at a title-winning roster upgrade. Both the Lakers and Celtics won championships the very next season after making these trades, while the Cavaliers reached the Finals in Year 1 and won it all in Year 2.

It’s not as if any of these championship teams were much better positioned before making these trades than Portland is now. The Lakers didn’t make the playoffs in 2019, the Cavaliers in 2014, or the Celtics in 2007. (Naturally—that’s how they landed high lottery picks in the first place.)

But here’s the bad news for Portland: Those championship turnarounds required not just one, but two star additions. The 2019-20 Lakers didn’t just need Davis, but also a healthy LeBron James, who’d played a career-low number of games the previous season. The 2014-15 Cavaliers benefited from LeBron’s return to Cleveland, in addition to Love. And the 2007-08 Celtics brought in Allen and Kevin Garnett together.

And unfortunately for the Trail Blazers, they don’t have the means to acquire two stars this summer. The best they’re likely to do in free agency is re-sign Jerami Grant, who already played for the team that missed the playoffs last season. Anfernee Simons is another possible trade chip, but he’d probably be included in any swap of the no. 3 pick, the same way that Brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball were also part of the Davis trade, or Anthony Bennett was also part of the Love trade. Shaedon Sharpe is reportedly “off limits” in trade talks this summer.

So, can Portland parlay a pick trade into a Finals run? It’s possible. But because they’d be hard-pressed to follow both steps their potential predecessors took, it’s mighty unlikely.

I disagree Portland can't add 2 stars. To do it they need to unlock their draft picks and let go of Sharpe but Sharpe and 3 can't be in the same deal.

Tier B: No Championship, but No Regrets Either
Pelicans trade no. 6 pick in 2013 (Nerlens Noel) for Jrue Holiday
Rockets trade no. 8 pick in 2006 (Rudy Gay) for Shane Battier
Wizards trade no. 5 pick in 2004 (Devin Harris) for Antawn Jamison
Clippers trade no. 2 pick in 2001 (Tyson Chandler) for Elton Brand

Tier C: Could’ve Been Worse
Timberwolves trade no. 7 pick in 2017 (Lauri Markkanen) for Jimmy Butler
Bobcats trade no. 8 pick in 2007 (Brandan Wright) for Jason Richardson

Tier D: Outright Disaster
Wizards trade no. 5 pick in 2009 (Ricky Rubio) for Randy Foye and Mike Miller
Suns trade no. 7 pick in 2004 (Luol Deng) for, essentially, the cap space used to sign Quentin Richardson
Knicks trade no. 7 pick in 2002 (Nene) for Antonio McDyess
Hawks trade no. 3 pick in 2001 (Pau Gasol) for Shareef Abdur-Rahim

https://www.theringer.com/nba-draft/2023/6/20/23766680/portland-trail-blazers-2023-draft-dilemma-3-pick-trade-damian-lillard-scoot-henderson-brandon-miller

Siakam is as sure a thing as the Blazers can get. I personally wouldn't want to give him up unless its for another sure thing. No one at 3 is that. Sharpe is pretty close.

Portland is in a tough spot, because giving up Sharpe would hurt unless they win a chip. But if they don't do a deal, they probably don't come any closer.

They need to do 2 trades. A Sharp package and a number 3 package. They should try to get Siakam and maybe a guy like Okongwu or Capela from Atlanta. Get Dame to the playoffs with a good supporting cast and solid defense and you have a chance.

They're not going to get a better opportunity.

Better to keep 3 and Sharpe and rebuild.

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