Portland #3 trade rumors part 2

[gbball]

It's equally possible that Portland isn't negotiating in good faith.

Is keeping a good player in Siakam really the end of the world like some are making it out to be? I'm open to moving him, and I'd even do something like Sharpe, 23, Simons, Keon. But the reality, is if we don't trade him, we just keep him and maybe he gets better.

I think the majority of us are fine keeping Pascal. But…we have lots of holes to fill and this provides us with an easy way to plug them. Roster just doesn’t seem balanced, so combine that with Pascals name in the media, and we start to dream up scenarios.

To the other comment about this squad potentially getting better; I doubt it. Maybe marginally. Maybe defensively. Guys aren’t going to learn to shoot in one summer.

What if we were to add a key piece every year for the next 3-5 years...and that piece last year was Poeltl. Where will we be in 5 years assuming some internal development and that we can keep the important players.

I think that's how our FO is looking at it.

[JRoy]

you're not getting Bam with #3 considering his age and contract.
Paul George might be attainable but why would you want him? At his peak, he's better than Siakam but is he going to play? Not to mention older and paid more

I would much rather go for PG or Adebayo and strike out than Siakam/OG.

I don’t think the POR FO gets either preferred choice and hopefully folds for the rebuild.

I understood your line of thinking this entire time and could understand why you rejected all these trade proposals, but then you say this and it doesn't make sense.

Where do you expect this team to go with Paul George or Bam? IMO the Blazers would be a much better team with Siakam and OG, but none of these trades are making them better than the top 4 or 5 teams in the West.

Excellent post.

Can’t let myself get carried away by the idea of PG next to Lillard; with Billups and injuries they’re not likely to get much done either.

Better to stick with the plan; keep Sharpe, keep the pick and wish Lillard a fair wind and a following sea.

[JRoy]

Trail Blazers are owned by a trust, the trustee is Jody Allen. Paul Allen wanted a lot of his wealth dedicated to charitable and philanthropic causes. Supposedly there is a long term plan for asset disposition, which Jody will execute (legally obligated probably). So, some of the know it alls whine that she should sell but legally she may not be able to, unless she's lying.

Let's say she has a mandate to dispose by 2025 (Paul passed in 2018), it may or may not be preferable to rebuild in that case, but contend and generate playoff buzz. But none of us know the details.

it would be awesome if the blazers could just relocate to vancouver. put jroy out of his misery.

Vancouver Washington is right across the River.

[wegotthabeet]

Trail Blazers are owned by a trust, the trustee is Jody Allen. Paul Allen wanted a lot of his wealth dedicated to charitable and philanthropic causes. Supposedly there is a long term plan for asset disposition, which Jody will execute (legally obligated probably). So, some of the know it alls whine that she should sell but legally she may not be able to, unless she's lying.

Let's say she has a mandate to dispose by 2025 (Paul passed in 2018), it may or may not be preferable to rebuild in that case, but contend and generate playoff buzz. But none of us know the details.

it would be awesome if the blazers could just relocate to vancouver. put jroy out of his misery.

Vancouver Washington is right across the River.

nah the real vancouver.

[ItsDanger]

Trail Blazers are owned by a trust, the trustee is Jody Allen. Paul Allen wanted a lot of his wealth dedicated to charitable and philanthropic causes. Supposedly there is a long term plan for asset disposition, which Jody will execute (legally obligated probably). So, some of the know it alls whine that she should sell but legally she may not be able to, unless she's lying.

Let's say she has a mandate to dispose by 2025 (Paul passed in 2018), it may or may not be preferable to rebuild in that case, but contend and generate playoff buzz. But none of us know the details.

it would be awesome if the blazers could just relocate to vancouver. put jroy out of his misery.

Not likely as long as Seattle doesn't have a team. Phil Knight is rumored to be the buyer (which means it would not relocate). But he's on the old side.

[anotherhomer]

it seems like there's a bit of negotiations between raps and blazers lol

i guess no deal now

[Kordic27]

I would much rather go for PG or Adebayo and strike out than Siakam/OG.

I don’t think the POR FO gets either preferred choice and hopefully folds for the rebuild.

I understood your line of thinking this entire time and could understand why you rejected all these trade proposals, but then you say this and it doesn't make sense.

Where do you expect this team to go with Paul George or Bam? IMO the Blazers would be a much better team with Siakam and OG, but none of these trades are making them better than the top 4 or 5 teams in the West.

Excellent post.

Can’t let myself get carried away by the idea of PG next to Lillard; with Billups and injuries they’re not likely to get much done either.

Better to stick with the plan; keep Sharpe, keep the pick and wish Lillard a fair wind and a following sea.

The more interesting question, I think, is what's the return for Lillard? He doesn't have a no trade, but I'd think that the Blazers will do everything they can to accommodate where he wants to go...

[MiamiSPX]

you're not getting Bam with #3 considering his age and contract.
Paul George might be attainable but why would you want him? At his peak, he's better than Siakam but is he going to play? Not to mention older and paid more

I would much rather go for PG or Adebayo and strike out than Siakam/OG.

I don’t think the POR FO gets either preferred choice and hopefully folds for the rebuild.

I understood your line of thinking this entire time and could understand why you rejected all these trade proposals, but then you say this and it doesn't make sense.

Where do you expect this team to go with Paul George or Bam? IMO the Blazers would be a much better team with Siakam and OG, but none of these trades are making them better than the top 4 or 5 teams in the West.

I was with JRoy until this. I now hope they trade #3, Sharpe and Simons for PG.

[JRoy]

I understood your line of thinking this entire time and could understand why you rejected all these trade proposals, but then you say this and it doesn't make sense.

Where do you expect this team to go with Paul George or Bam? IMO the Blazers would be a much better team with Siakam and OG, but none of these trades are making them better than the top 4 or 5 teams in the West.

Excellent post.

Can’t let myself get carried away by the idea of PG next to Lillard; with Billups and injuries they’re not likely to get much done either.

Better to stick with the plan; keep Sharpe, keep the pick and wish Lillard a fair wind and a following sea.

The more interesting question, I think, is what's the return for Lillard? He doesn't have a no trade, but I'd think that the Blazers will do everything they can to accommodate where he wants to go...

Agreed.

I don’t think the return will be all that great, and every attempt will be made to accommodate his wishes. He mentioned BKN and MIA. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a 3-4 team deal sending him to MIL but God knows how/if that would work.

[Ducksplatt]

So (apparently):
- the Blazers don't reportedly covet either Pascal Siakam or OG Anunoby
- Raps FO is saying they are going to run it back

I believe we can now shut down this thread and start a new one near the trade deadline where we can rehash the 139 pages

[NinjaBro]

Are we really going to have another 100 page thread over a whole lot of nothing?

[raptorforlife88]

Toronto has little leverage here. Rumors goes POR could target Zion if they indeed make #3 available and Scoot is there

A guy who has missed 200 games over four seasons, has shown no ability to maintain a healthy weight that will help him avoid injury, and seems to have every injury suddenly extend into near season long issues? That guy?

Portland can go ahead and do that and watch it blow up in their faces. Siakam may not be as good Zion, but like he actually plays and can be relied on. I don't think that much leverage at all unless Portland really would love risking the #3 pick for potentially absolutely nothing.

Lol come on man. Any team would be dumb to pass on Zion for Siakam. He’s had bad injury luck but so did steph curry early in his career.

When he plays he’s easily a top 7-8 player in the league.

It's not comparable. Steph missed 70 games over four years, almost all of which came in a single season. He wasn't that injury prone at all. Zion barely plays in any season at all. Embiid is probably the closest comp but he didn't have weight issues as well.

[TGM]

This is quite hilarious. After around 300 pages of how Portland is not getting Siakam unless, they give Sharpe, Simons and the 3rd. You now have they don't want either Pascal or OG for the 3rd pick.

Always thought it was a stretch and I think now people can come back down to earth. I still think 3rd and Simons is not that far off, but adding Sharpe was always delusional.

[JRoy]

Are we really going to have another 100 page thread over a whole lot of nothing?

Wouldn’t that be nice

[Kordic27]

A guy who has missed 200 games over four seasons, has shown no ability to maintain a healthy weight that will help him avoid injury, and seems to have every injury suddenly extend into near season long issues? That guy?

Portland can go ahead and do that and watch it blow up in their faces. Siakam may not be as good Zion, but like he actually plays and can be relied on. I don't think that much leverage at all unless Portland really would love risking the #3 pick for potentially absolutely nothing.

Lol come on man. Any team would be dumb to pass on Zion for Siakam. He’s had bad injury luck but so did steph curry early in his career.

When he plays he’s easily a top 7-8 player in the league.

It's not comparable. Steph missed 70 games over four years, almost all of which came in a single season. He wasn't that injury prone at all. Zion barely plays in any season at all. Embiid is probably the closest comp but he didn't have weight issues as well.

Not to mention motivation/maturity issues, along with an incoming massive contract... I'd stay well away from Zion.

[Kordic27]

Excellent post.

Can’t let myself get carried away by the idea of PG next to Lillard; with Billups and injuries they’re not likely to get much done either.

Better to stick with the plan; keep Sharpe, keep the pick and wish Lillard a fair wind and a following sea.

The more interesting question, I think, is what's the return for Lillard? He doesn't have a no trade, but I'd think that the Blazers will do everything they can to accommodate where he wants to go...

Agreed.

I don’t think the return will be all that great, and every attempt will be made to accommodate his wishes. He mentioned BKN and MIA. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a 3-4 team deal sending him to MIL but God knows how/if that would work.

My money's on Miami, with Herro used to make the salary work, and then he's rerouted to a 3rd team for pick(s) and expirings. And the bulk of the return for Portland, unfortunately (for excitement purposes) being future 1st rounders.

[Jadoogar]

I think Portland just wants Dame to ask for a trade. They are making offers for guys they clearly have no chance at getting but show Dame that they are trying to get guys he likes. Eventually, they'll keep the #3 pick and Dame will ask for a trade.

Blazers just don't want to be the ones who end it because he's a franchise legend. If Dame asks for a trade, they look like the good guys by honoring his wishes.

[Syd-TK3]

I think Portland just wants Dame to ask for a trade. They are making offers for guys they clearly have no chance at getting but show Dame that they are trying to get guys he likes. Eventually, they'll keep the #3 pick and Dame will ask for a trade.

Blazers just don't want to be the ones who end it because he's a franchise legend. If Dame asks for a trade, they look like the good guys by honoring his wishes.

If Portland actually wanted to help Dame and Masai wasn't greedy the 3 + Simmons + filler for Siakam would easily happen. They know exactly what their doing because it's the same thing they've been doing waiting for Dame to ask out

[TGM]

no way Bam gets traded. Its a pretty big go pound sand to Dame if they are saying they will try to trade for Bam. Miami was just in the finals. Do they seriously trade away arguably their best player during the finals. Bam played lights out considering he was covering Jokic.

[OakleyDokely]

The Heat aren't trading Bam, LOL

They will offer up the Herro, Robinson/Lowry, picks offer around the league for a star.