Woj/Shams Bomb: Porzingis traded to Celtics Part Deux! Grizzlies involved, Marcus Smart to Grizz - Tyus Jones to Wiz

[chrisab123]

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Might be more than just the elbow, but for a team like Washington they might be willing to take him on for a guy like CP3.

[cam24thomas]

Trading Smart is not.... Smart. He was the heartbeat of that team (the real team leader) and their facilitator even though he wasn't a pure PG.
I'm guessing that the Celtics will be in the PG market now unless they want Brown (lol) being their point forward.

Probably a case of selling a year too early rather than a year too late. Smart's style of play doesn't usually lend itself to long term sustainability. He plays so damn hard and he guards everyone, including centers. That can't be great for longevity. He slipped defensively last year and his offensive game was never that good. When he's no longer elite defensively his value will drop a fair amount.

6foot3 and he guard's centers! Incredible.

[Jadoogar]

LOL Washington traded their 2 best players for 0 first round picks. They managed to get a good backup pg and some seconds..

Oh and their third best player is about to leave for nothing.

Fantastic asset management

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I guess the question is Jones worth a 1st? He's been pretty solid as a starter when Ja has been out the past couple of years (14/7/3 on good shooting %). The issue is if he worth a 1st it's a late one and the teams that need a PG are all drafting too high. The only team that fits the bill is the Clippers who have the 30th pick. Maybe the Wiz hold onto him at the start of the season, let him put up stats and see how injuries play out around the league and then they can flip him? But then the problem is he is an expiring contract.

I applaud the Wiz for tearing it down to the studs but man the return has not been good. I understand being screwed with the Beal NTC but would have thought Porzingis could at least get them a pick.

Jones is also an expiring contract. If they couldn't get a first for porzingis, what makes you think they'll get one for Jones?

[life_saver]

Tyus is a great backup PG but his shooting numbers in playoffs have been putrid. Not a surprise to see Grizz trading him

[TheAlchemist]

I don’t know why the wiz were scrambling to deal their two best players for nothing like they were JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis

KP could have left for nothing. Beal could have kept them in the play-in bubble. The Wizards simply want a shot at a #1 pick. They couldn't do that with Beal.

You don't tank your best asset for nothing and expirings. No matter if it's a trade clause or not.

The Prozingis return is decent only cause they get a future piece. But it's still really really underselling on a guy who had a career year.

[Tor_Raps]

Celtics should go for Fred



To Toronto
2024 GSW 1st
Brogdon
Muscala


To boston
Fred VanVleet

Its too early to get excited. FVV would be awesome in Boston.

Please let this happen loll

[hippesthippo]

What's with the Wizards recent obsession with backup PG's?

Memphis will be fine. Smart can bring the ball up and they play good team ball without Ja anyways.

I'm looking forward to watching Desmond Bane having a monster season.

[Tor_Raps]

I don’t know why the wiz were scrambling to deal their two best players for nothing like they were JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis

KP could have left for nothing. Beal could have kept them in the play-in bubble. The Wizards simply want a shot at a #1 pick. They couldn't do that with Beal.

How else was KP getting 36M without the Wizards help? Wizards had all the leverage but were too stupid to realize it lol.

As for Beal, it was the Suns who were against time with CPs opt out, not the wizards. They had all offseason to field offers but decided it was better to rush to get the least amount possible loll.

[Walmart]

Brutal, if you're Washington why don't you just take Smart over Tyus Jones?

[Nuntius]

I don’t know why the wiz were scrambling to deal their two best players for nothing like they were JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis

KP could have left for nothing. Beal could have kept them in the play-in bubble. The Wizards simply want a shot at a #1 pick. They couldn't do that with Beal.

You don't tank your best asset for nothing and expirings. No matter if it's a trade clause or not.

What should they do? Delay their build for even longer? Keep picking in the late lottery without any chance of making an actual playoff run?

Ultimately, they should have traded Beal earlier when his value was higher but they didn't. And that is not this current FO's fault.

[Nuntius]

I don’t know why the wiz were scrambling to deal their two best players for nothing like they were JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis

KP could have left for nothing. Beal could have kept them in the play-in bubble. The Wizards simply want a shot at a #1 pick. They couldn't do that with Beal.

How else was KP getting 36M without the Wizards help?

My Pacers could have made a run at KP. We have the cap space and we're priming for a playoff run. A number of other young teams (Orlando, OKC, Detroit et cetera) have cap space and they're priming for a playoff run. Next year's draft doesn't have a true #1 player yet so teams aren't going to fall over themselves trying to tank.

[iggymcfrack]

Brutal, if you're Washington why don't you just take Smart over Tyus Jones?

What does a tanking team want with a 29 year old Marcus Smart?

[indiegrind]

Celtics really didn't need to make any moves other than a new head coach with some leadership skills and maybe another vet leader with some fire. Their defense at the PG position completed the team. White and Smart together were a great asset in a league with so many super quick and shifty scoring guards. Not even getting into Smarts passion and commitment to playing hard through injury. I feel like they added a little bit but also lost a lot.

[Profound23]

If Boston loses Grant Williams and Marcus Smart while gaining KP I hate to admit as a Bucks fan I actually like the team more.

Lose two floppers and watch how the team actually gets better.

[Ben-N1ce]

Celtics really didn't need to make any moves other than a new head coach with some leadership skills and maybe another vet leader with some fire. Their defense at the PG position completed the team. White and Smart together were a great asset in a league with so many super quick and shifty scoring guards. Not even getting into Smarts passion and commitment to playing hard through injury. I feel like they added a little bit but also lost a lot.

White is not a big drop off from Smart and they got 2 vet assistants and Porzingas. On paper they got better.

[JDR720]

That seems way too good for Boston and Washington gets basically nothing.

[Karate Diop]

The issue with this trade for Boston (as opposed to the Brogdon one which fell apart), is that they just shipped out their only leader in the locker room and hardest working player for a guy who's work ethic is questionable and is prone to missing a ton of games each year.

I guess it's not surprising given how Smart has butted heads with Brown in the past, and Brown seemingly has a way of getting guys he doesn't agree with shipped out, but it is a little head scratching as it doesn't increase the toughness level of the team or their level of compete on a night in and night out basis.

Smart was always the Celtics scapegoat but he largely hasn't been the one at fault for the Celtics consistent choking.

From an overall asset perspective the Celtics do look like they come out ahead though, and there is upside in that KP in theory allows them to bench the extremely overrated Rob Williams when he's unplayable come playoff time and reduce Horford to a bit role.

Last off season a lot of yall were saying Brogdon was damaged goods and career was in jeopardy. People still haven't learned the variability and nuances of pro athletes, for 80% of the league you gotta play it year by year.

And then Brogdon broke down in the playoffs...

What's the plan for KP? Bring him off the bench to preserve him as well? Yeah, good luck with that...

[Joshyjess]

Memphis you guys are going to love Smart (except when he takes a dumb shot now and then). He brings so many things to the team that don't show up on the score board, but just help the team work better and harrder. He pushes other guys to give the best that they've got both by his game play and his voice. He does flop a lot (always hated that part of his game), and other teams are going to accuse your team of being nothing but a bunch of flopper because of it (just ignore them) But the intangibles that Smart brings is what makes him so valuable.
As a C's fan, I really, really hate seeing Smart go (I too thought that he was going to play for Boston his whole career), but I also see why they made this trade (espcially with D. White stepping us so much this past year).
Good luck Mahcus, thank you for so many years of working your butt off to give it the best you had!!!!

[ConSarnit]

LOL Washington traded their 2 best players for 0 first round picks. They managed to get a good backup pg and some seconds..

Oh and their third best player is about to leave for nothing.

Fantastic asset management

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I guess the question is Jones worth a 1st? He's been pretty solid as a starter when Ja has been out the past couple of years (14/7/3 on good shooting %). The issue is if he worth a 1st it's a late one and the teams that need a PG are all drafting too high. The only team that fits the bill is the Clippers who have the 30th pick. Maybe the Wiz hold onto him at the start of the season, let him put up stats and see how injuries play out around the league and then they can flip him? But then the problem is he is an expiring contract.

I applaud the Wiz for tearing it down to the studs but man the return has not been good. I understand being screwed with the Beal NTC but would have thought Porzingis could at least get them a pick.

Jones is also an expiring contract. If they couldn't get a first for porzingis, what makes you think they'll get one for Jones?

The Wiz got #35 in the Porzingis deal. I don't think it's a stretch to think Jones (as a much more reasonable salary) could be used to facilitate a salary dump. Or a team looking to grab him to secure bird rights who thinks he's been hidden behind Ja the past few years and is actually a starting PG.

Wiz out: Jones (useful, expiring player)

Wiz in: Salary dump, late 1st

His salary (and status as a good player) makes him a prime candidate for any team looking to dump longer term salary between $12-20m a year on the Wiz.

Do I think they'll get a 1st? Probably not but wouldn't be surprised if they could.

[Joshyjess]

I guess the question is Jones worth a 1st? He's been pretty solid as a starter when Ja has been out the past couple of years (14/7/3 on good shooting %). The issue is if he worth a 1st it's a late one and the teams that need a PG are all drafting too high. The only team that fits the bill is the Clippers who have the 30th pick. Maybe the Wiz hold onto him at the start of the season, let him put up stats and see how injuries play out around the league and then they can flip him? But then the problem is he is an expiring contract.

I applaud the Wiz for tearing it down to the studs but man the return has not been good. I understand being screwed with the Beal NTC but would have thought Porzingis could at least get them a pick.

Jones is also an expiring contract. If they couldn't get a first for porzingis, what makes you think they'll get one for Jones?

The Wiz got #35 in the Porzingis deal. I don't think it's a stretch to think Jones (as a much more reasonable salary) could be used to facilitate a salary dump. Or a team looking to grab him to secure bird rights who thinks he's been hidden behind Ja the past few years and is actually a starting PG.

Wiz out: Jones (useful, expiring player)

Wiz in: Salary dump, late 1st

His salary (and status as a good player) makes him a prime candidate for any team looking to dump longer term salary between $12-20m a year on the Wiz.

Do I think they'll get a 1st? Probably not but wouldn't be surprised if they could.

I heard Boston just got a 1st rounder that they might be willing to part with!!! (that would be kind of funny if they were to do that)