zshawn10 wrote:?s=46&t=nTTEj4pYTl_o_im2gtZyQg
Might be more than just the elbow, but for a team like Washington they might be willing to take him on for a guy like CP3.
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ConSarnit wrote:NYPiston wrote:Trading Smart is not.... Smart. He was the heartbeat of that team (the real team leader) and their facilitator even though he wasn't a pure PG.
I'm guessing that the Celtics will be in the PG market now unless they want Brown (lol) being their point forward.
Probably a case of selling a year too early rather than a year too late. Smart's style of play doesn't usually lend itself to long term sustainability. He plays so damn hard and he guards everyone, including centers. That can't be great for longevity. He slipped defensively last year and his offensive game was never that good. When he's no longer elite defensively his value will drop a fair amount.
ConSarnit wrote:Jadoogar wrote:LOL Washington traded their 2 best players for 0 first round picks. They managed to get a good backup pg and some seconds..
Oh and their third best player is about to leave for nothing.
Fantastic asset management
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I guess the question is Jones worth a 1st? He's been pretty solid as a starter when Ja has been out the past couple of years (14/7/3 on good shooting %). The issue is if he worth a 1st it's a late one and the teams that need a PG are all drafting too high. The only team that fits the bill is the Clippers who have the 30th pick. Maybe the Wiz hold onto him at the start of the season, let him put up stats and see how injuries play out around the league and then they can flip him? But then the problem is he is an expiring contract.
I applaud the Wiz for tearing it down to the studs but man the return has not been good. I understand being screwed with the Beal NTC but would have thought Porzingis could at least get them a pick.
Nuntius wrote:Froob wrote:I don’t know why the wiz were scrambling to deal their two best players for nothing like they were JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis
KP could have left for nothing. Beal could have kept them in the play-in bubble. The Wizards simply want a shot at a #1 pick. They couldn't do that with Beal.
chrisab123 wrote:Saul Goodman wrote:Celtics should go for Fred
To Toronto
2024 GSW 1st
Brogdon
Muscala
To boston
Fred VanVleet
Its too early to get excited. FVV would be awesome in Boston.
Nuntius wrote:Froob wrote:I don’t know why the wiz were scrambling to deal their two best players for nothing like they were JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis
KP could have left for nothing. Beal could have kept them in the play-in bubble. The Wizards simply want a shot at a #1 pick. They couldn't do that with Beal.
TheAlchemist wrote:Nuntius wrote:Froob wrote:I don’t know why the wiz were scrambling to deal their two best players for nothing like they were JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis
KP could have left for nothing. Beal could have kept them in the play-in bubble. The Wizards simply want a shot at a #1 pick. They couldn't do that with Beal.
You don't tank your best asset for nothing and expirings. No matter if it's a trade clause or not.
Tor_Raps wrote:Nuntius wrote:Froob wrote:I don’t know why the wiz were scrambling to deal their two best players for nothing like they were JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis
KP could have left for nothing. Beal could have kept them in the play-in bubble. The Wizards simply want a shot at a #1 pick. They couldn't do that with Beal.
How else was KP getting 36M without the Wizards help?
Walmart wrote:Brutal, if you're Washington why don't you just take Smart over Tyus Jones?
indiegrind wrote:Celtics really didn't need to make any moves other than a new head coach with some leadership skills and maybe another vet leader with some fire. Their defense at the PG position completed the team. White and Smart together were a great asset in a league with so many super quick and shifty scoring guards. Not even getting into Smarts passion and commitment to playing hard through injury. I feel like they added a little bit but also lost a lot.
Airmiess wrote:Karate Diop wrote:The issue with this trade for Boston (as opposed to the Brogdon one which fell apart), is that they just shipped out their only leader in the locker room and hardest working player for a guy who's work ethic is questionable and is prone to missing a ton of games each year.
I guess it's not surprising given how Smart has butted heads with Brown in the past, and Brown seemingly has a way of getting guys he doesn't agree with shipped out, but it is a little head scratching as it doesn't increase the toughness level of the team or their level of compete on a night in and night out basis.
Smart was always the Celtics scapegoat but he largely hasn't been the one at fault for the Celtics consistent choking.
From an overall asset perspective the Celtics do look like they come out ahead though, and there is upside in that KP in theory allows them to bench the extremely overrated Rob Williams when he's unplayable come playoff time and reduce Horford to a bit role.
Last off season a lot of yall were saying Brogdon was damaged goods and career was in jeopardy. People still haven't learned the variability and nuances of pro athletes, for 80% of the league you gotta play it year by year.
Jadoogar wrote:ConSarnit wrote:Jadoogar wrote:LOL Washington traded their 2 best players for 0 first round picks. They managed to get a good backup pg and some seconds..
Oh and their third best player is about to leave for nothing.
Fantastic asset management
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I guess the question is Jones worth a 1st? He's been pretty solid as a starter when Ja has been out the past couple of years (14/7/3 on good shooting %). The issue is if he worth a 1st it's a late one and the teams that need a PG are all drafting too high. The only team that fits the bill is the Clippers who have the 30th pick. Maybe the Wiz hold onto him at the start of the season, let him put up stats and see how injuries play out around the league and then they can flip him? But then the problem is he is an expiring contract.
I applaud the Wiz for tearing it down to the studs but man the return has not been good. I understand being screwed with the Beal NTC but would have thought Porzingis could at least get them a pick.
Jones is also an expiring contract. If they couldn't get a first for porzingis, what makes you think they'll get one for Jones?
ConSarnit wrote:Jadoogar wrote:ConSarnit wrote:
I guess the question is Jones worth a 1st? He's been pretty solid as a starter when Ja has been out the past couple of years (14/7/3 on good shooting %). The issue is if he worth a 1st it's a late one and the teams that need a PG are all drafting too high. The only team that fits the bill is the Clippers who have the 30th pick. Maybe the Wiz hold onto him at the start of the season, let him put up stats and see how injuries play out around the league and then they can flip him? But then the problem is he is an expiring contract.
I applaud the Wiz for tearing it down to the studs but man the return has not been good. I understand being screwed with the Beal NTC but would have thought Porzingis could at least get them a pick.
Jones is also an expiring contract. If they couldn't get a first for porzingis, what makes you think they'll get one for Jones?
The Wiz got #35 in the Porzingis deal. I don't think it's a stretch to think Jones (as a much more reasonable salary) could be used to facilitate a salary dump. Or a team looking to grab him to secure bird rights who thinks he's been hidden behind Ja the past few years and is actually a starting PG.
Wiz out: Jones (useful, expiring player)
Wiz in: Salary dump, late 1st
His salary (and status as a good player) makes him a prime candidate for any team looking to dump longer term salary between $12-20m a year on the Wiz.
Do I think they'll get a 1st? Probably not but wouldn't be surprised if they could.