2023 Orlando Magic Draft Day Thread (#6, #11): THE DAY IS HERE!

jonbob17 · Post #1181 » by **jonbob17** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:14 am

Would love them to take a swing on Julian Phillips if he is available at 36...or maybe Whitmore...lol

The-Stallion70 · Post #1182 » by **The-Stallion70** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:15 am

Knightro wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:We're in luck then because Fultz' contract is expiring soon and Cole and Suggs both haven't impressed enough to be long term starting point guards.

You're kidding yourself if you think Fultz isn't getting another contract at this point.

There's no way, no how the Magic are letting their starting PG walk for nothing if they make the playoffs next year. Regardless of how Markelle plays individually.

They've backed themselves into a corner IMO. The likely team success the Magic will have next season is going to force their hand on some personnel decisions they likely shouldn't make.

Fultz has played well enough to get another contract but he will be unrestricted obviously and we'll have no control. Here with Black we lock up a legit pg prospect with vision and iq on a rookie deal.

Suggs is injury prone, lacks pg instincts and doesnt really do anything well anyways besides defend.

Rainwater · Post #1183 » by **Rainwater** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:15 am

Knightro wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:Theres no way he's playing off ball. He's gonna be the backup PG

The Magic want to compete for the playoffs and they're gonna move Anthony out of the backup PG role when he was literally awesome in that spot next season?

I just don't think so man. If they trade Cole, then sure. But if Fultz and Cole are here, they're the starting/backup PG combo.

I don't think the playoffs are necessarily a priority for the magic. While I think they have great shot at it, I think if they make its fine but if they don't make its fine too. The organization really haven't added any pieces to compete to for the playoffs.

Ralof · Post #1184 » by **Ralof** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:15 am

IllMagic04 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:
Is 30% 3pt shooting his ceiling?

No of course not, but that's what he is right now. And it seems like it's gonna take at least a couple of years for him to develop into a passable shooter.

And playing him off the ball just extrapolates that weakness.
Theres no way he's playing off ball. He's gonna be the backup PG

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he is gonna be a bit of everything,especially at the beginning.

and yes,he can play off ball,if he avoid to be too sloppy with some passes.

his visions could open a lot chances for other guys.

Message Boar · Post #1185 » by **Message Boar** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:16 am

Podz to the Warriors is pretty nice, interesting that he went over Hawkins. Wonder who ends the Cam Whitmore slide, because I feel awful for the kid. This feels like an all-time slide, even though there were a few warning signs in the last few weeks.

basketballRob · Post #1186 » by **basketballRob** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:16 am

Cam broke his tibia twice

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KillMonger · Post #1187 » by **KillMonger** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:17 am

Bensational wrote:
KillMonger wrote:i've watched enough games not just clips....he definitely has his warts no doubt but he can shoot the ball and he has ability off the dribble...much more than i've seen from gradey and jordan other than a one dribble pullup....like gradey by the numbers only had maybe 2 or 3 isolations the entire year.....it's just not his bag....in order in terms of shooting i have Jordan, gradey and Howard but i think Jett has more ability off the dribble than both....has the ability to turn into a legit scorer rather than just a specialist in my eyes....no matter what....if we picked Gradey or Hawkins or Jett...in my eyes they're all role players

I saw a couple of condensed cuts of full games and in those it seemed like Jett's shot would go cold in the 2nd half once fatigue kicked in. Getting healthy and good cardio will help him push through that.

Yeah he was playing through injury like whitehead but i agree that it effected his gas tank...he showed some toughness to try and push through it rather than just shut it down....seeing his draft workout interviews he looks in better shape to me though....i can't wait to see him play in summer league

Post #1188 » by **Knightro** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:18 am

I feel like some of y'all really didn't even watch the games last year :lol:

These on ball reps some of you guys are suggesting will be there for Black just don't exist as the roster is presently constructed.

How many pick and rolls did Suggs run this past year when Fultz/Anthony were both healthy? Almost none lol.

One of Anthony Black's best assets by far offensively is his ability to pass out of the pick and roll.

And at best he's getting scrap pick and rolls to start his career.

This is not how you develop players. This is not how to construct rosters.

They're doing this kid a disservice every single rep he takes next season planted in a corner as Cole pounds the ball.

IllMagic04 · Post #1189 » by **IllMagic04** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:18 am

Knightro wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:Theres no way he's playing off ball. He's gonna be the backup PG

The Magic want to compete for the playoffs and they're gonna move Anthony out of the backup PG role when he was literally awesome in that spot next season?

I just don't think so man. If they trade Cole, then sure. But if Fultz and Cole are here, they're the starting/backup PG combo.

Cole is going to have to be more of a 2 off the bench. And Black will be the PG. That has to be how its going to be. Theres no way you can play Black off ball.

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BCS · Post #1190 » by **BCS** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:18 am

It has to be the Rockets for cam...if not nets with back to back picks is in play as well...but wow, Rockets are looking good if with cam or dariq

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KillMonger · Post #1191 » by **KillMonger** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:19 am

Get Ready for our second rounder

Read on Twitter

The-Stallion70 · Post #1192 » by **The-Stallion70** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:20 am

There goes Cam

OrlandoNed · Post #1193 » by **OrlandoNed** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:20 am

Like clockwork.

Last Guardian · Post #1194 » by **Last Guardian** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:21 am

MagicMatic wrote:
Last Guardian wrote:
Ducklett wrote:So, who we got next year in the top 6? Cause lets be honest after this draft we gonna be at the bottom again BAYBAY!

Yea because rookies at 6 and 11 were really going to make the Magic that much better. Are people suddenly new to the NBA?

Franz was selected #8.

What are YOU talking about?

And how many wins did the Magic win when Franz was a rookie? I'll wait for your answer. To give you a hint...you just proved my point.

Post #1195 » by **SD2042** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:21 am

JTG_92940618 wrote:I think a lot of us would have been happier with this draft if we took Whitmore at 11. We would've been blissfully unaware of what another half a dozen GMs think of him.

It just goes to show that as a casual, we're nowhere near it. We just have to wait and see.

It goes to show how on the scouts level, we as fans are casuals. We're not in the gyms nor in the medical office to determine how healthy and reliable these players really are in real time. That's a reality that we as fans have to understand. We can't lead with our emotions because the player(s) we desire may not be whom our team picks during these events every year. Those reasosn helped humbled me a while back. I used to be one of those fans who would get fired up and upset if and when the Magic pick a player I didn't want at times. Don't get me wrong, the Magic have laid eggs on some players in the past. Sometimes, they may get it right. I simply learn to take the emotion out of it. Check by the categories where our weaknesses are and make a list of players who help improve our weaknesses and go from there. Keep the logistics on point. Keep the emotions out. That's how business works forever and always.

KillMonger · Post #1196 » by **KillMonger** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:21 am

must be the knee with cam

Message Boar · Post #1197 » by **Message Boar** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:21 am

KillMonger wrote:Get Ready for our second rounder

Read on Twitter

I thought this was recent on first glance. It may as well have been, I guess

Glad to see Whitmore finally come off, Houston made out like bandits.

The-Stallion70 · Post #1198 » by **The-Stallion70** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:22 am

Lol Cam was in discussion of going to Hou at 4, Rockets get him anyways at 20.

Rainwater · Post #1199 » by **Rainwater** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:22 am

Knightro wrote:I feel like some of y'all really didn't even watch the games last year

These on ball reps some of you guys are suggesting will be there for Black just don't exist as the roster is presently constructed.

How many pick and rolls did Suggs run this past year when Fultz/Anthony were both healthy? Almost none lol.

One of Anthony Black's best assets by far offensively is his ability to pass out of the pick and roll.

And at best he's getting scrap pick and rolls to start his career.

This is not how you develop players. This is not how to construct rosters.

They're doing this kid a disservice every single rep he takes next season planted in a corner as Cole pounds the ball.

Yeah, I agree. You can't have Black standing in the corner he is best when the ball in his hands.

thelead · Post #1200 » by **thelead** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:23 am

Knightro wrote:I feel like some of y'all really didn't even watch the games last year

These on ball reps some of you guys are suggesting will be there for Black just don't exist as the roster is presently constructed.

How many pick and rolls did Suggs run this past year when Fultz/Anthony were both healthy? Almost none lol.

One of Anthony Black's best assets by far offensively is his ability to pass out of the pick and roll.

And at best he's getting scrap pick and rolls to start his career.

This is not how you develop players. This is not how to construct rosters.

They're doing this kid a disservice every single rep he takes next season planted in a corner as Cole pounds the ball.

As Def said, we're playing with house money in this draft. I believe they're 100% in on Fultz and are hedging their bets. Similar to Sac taking Hali with Fox on the roster.