Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[will]

Let's hope Lillard is at least open to the idea of playing here first. I don't get how overrated Herro and no disrespect Lowry plus trash is enough for him. OG is easily better than Herro and we can add more if we really wanted.

If we can get in on this and acquire Herro for trash I would be all over it. He has his flaws but he is a legit scorer and his contract isn’t that bad as a percentage of the rising cap. We need a wing scorer better than GTJ if we want to be more competitive. Otherwise we are relying on Pascal to carry the scoring load even more now with Fred gone (which was something they made Fred less effective IMO).

why get Herro when we have a cheaper and potentially similar player in Dick? Getting Herro will just stunt Dick's growth

I am immature.

[Scizzup]

Who would Portland rather have is the question...Tyler Herro or OG ANunoby? I think Anunoby is a far better fit with the Blazers squad as Herro doesn't make sense for them at all with Scoot/Simons/Sharpe

But OG is also FA next off-season and is due for a hefty raise so that raises questions. But I think it's a no-doubter that OG is a better fit moving forward with Portland's core. But does OG re-sign?

Dame Lilliard / Dennis Schroder
Gary Trent Jr. / Gradey Dick
Scottie Barnes / Otto Porter Jr.
Pascal Siakam / Jalen Mcdaniels / Precious Achiwa
Jakob Poetl / Christian Koloko / Precious Achiwa

On Paper thats a solid fit. But does Dame see it that way?

it doesn't work like that with these stars trade. You have to be one of his "choices"

Raps would not be bidding against Heat which means they have to offer way more just to sit at the table. Blazer not just trading Dame here because OG is better than Tyler herro or w/e. OG also is in line for more money than herro.


Dame will be in BK or Heat or any other team he tosses into there as this drags on. Or you blow them out with a offer so good they don't mind destroying that relationship w/Dame.

[islandboy53]

If we could get an All-NBA team player Harden it would be great. He’s the kind of scorer the team needs right now to compliment Pascal and hopefully Barnes.

I would also say that teams where the PG is your best player aren’t ideal in the playoffs. The exceptions being when that PG is the best shooter of all time playing with multiple All-NBA teammates like Steph or when the PG is MVP level with the size of a SF like Luka.

Harden is a criminally underrated play maker and smart player tbh I'd be more excited about that than just his scoring which he still shows flashes of. He's just lazy on defense but is low-key good post defender and can be decent one on one when he's focused, with our defensive players around him he'd be alright.

Exactly!

However the only way this happens or makes sense for us to make a run is if we still have Pascal. Therefore restructuring Fred to an S and T is critical. We could probably give Harden two year max extension if he was willing to extend. My only concern is if we do a S and T I think it impacts our cap holds. Not sure by how much.

Help me understand. You're proposing we persuade Houston to change the VanVleeet signing to a sign and trade, and somehow Philly gets involved, sending us Harden in the process. what are we sending Houston to persuade them to do this, and what does Philly get for Harden?

[dTox]

I don't feel pitty for Lilard, everyone and their mother questioned that extension for this exact scenario that we foresaw, and he kept clapping back

Read on Twitter

?t=nqu5Ic7sccv_UkmvaG1nFg&s=19

Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk

[Los_29]

Who would Portland rather have is the question...Tyler Herro or OG ANunoby? I think Anunoby is a far better fit with the Blazers squad as Herro doesn't make sense for them at all with Scoot/Simons/Sharpe

But OG is also FA next off-season and is due for a hefty raise so that raises questions. But I think it's a no-doubter that OG is a better fit moving forward with Portland's core. But does OG re-sign?

Dame Lilliard / Dennis Schroder
Gary Trent Jr. / Gradey Dick
Scottie Barnes / Otto Porter Jr.
Pascal Siakam / Jalen Mcdaniels / Precious Achiwa
Jakob Poetl / Christian Koloko / Precious Achiwa

On Paper thats a solid fit. But does Dame see it that way?

it doesn't work like that with these stars trade. You have to be one of his "choices"

Raps would not be bidding against Heat which means they have to offer way more just to sit at the table. Blazer not just trading Dame here because OG is better than Tyler herro or w/e. OG also is in line for more money than herro.


Dame will be in BK or Heat or any other team he tosses into there as this drags on. Or you blow them out with an offer so good they don't mind destroying that relationship w/Dame.

I really hope OG isn’t in line for money than Herro. Herro makes like 30 million a year. Lol.

[PhilBlackson]

I don't feel pitty for Lilard, everyone and their mother questioned that extension for this exact scenario that we foresaw, and he kept clapping back

Read on Twitter

?t=nqu5Ic7sccv_UkmvaG1nFg&s=19

Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk

1000%

I don’t feel pity for guys like him & Beal that knew when they re-upped that they were on a sh*tty team, knew the franchise’s track record yet literally still signed up for it.

Also happy POR is breaking this bs prescedent that the players are trying to set where they just point to where they wanna go & can snap their fingers and they’re there. F*ck that lol

It’s a 2 way street…I don’t think it’s cool if they shipped him to Washington lol but both parties have done what they can, now it’s time to try and find a fair middle ground. If he’s actually even remotely open to the Spurs, that would be the team I made a deal with end of story. They don’t get a fantastic return but at least a decent young player at a position of need like Keldon, probably another ok young player and some better picks. No need to take on Herro or Maxey when that’s just an overlap of the young talent they’re choosing to build with plus some trash heap end of 1st rd picks.

[SurgeIblocka]

Who would Portland rather have is the question...Tyler Herro or OG ANunoby? I think Anunoby is a far better fit with the Blazers squad as Herro doesn't make sense for them at all with Scoot/Simons/Sharpe

But OG is also FA next off-season and is due for a hefty raise so that raises questions. But I think it's a no-doubter that OG is a better fit moving forward with Portland's core. But does OG re-sign?

Dame Lilliard / Dennis Schroder
Gary Trent Jr. / Gradey Dick
Scottie Barnes / Otto Porter Jr.
Pascal Siakam / Jalen Mcdaniels / Precious Achiwa
Jakob Poetl / Christian Koloko / Precious Achiwa

On Paper thats a solid fit. But does Dame see it that way?

it doesn't work like that with these stars trade. You have to be one of his "choices"

Raps would not be bidding against Heat which means they have to offer way more just to sit at the table. Blazer not just trading Dame here because OG is better than Tyler herro or w/e. OG also is in line for more money than herro.


Dame will be in BK or Heat or any other team he tosses into there as this drags on. Or you blow them out with an offer so good they don't mind destroying that relationship w/Dame.

I really hope OG isn’t in line for money than Herro. Herro makes like 30 million a year. Lol.

I can guarantee some team will pay OG 35 Mil / yr or more in free agency

[PhilBlackson]

Who would Portland rather have is the question...Tyler Herro or OG ANunoby? I think Anunoby is a far better fit with the Blazers squad as Herro doesn't make sense for them at all with Scoot/Simons/Sharpe

But OG is also FA next off-season and is due for a hefty raise so that raises questions. But I think it's a no-doubter that OG is a better fit moving forward with Portland's core. But does OG re-sign?

Dame Lilliard / Dennis Schroder
Gary Trent Jr. / Gradey Dick
Scottie Barnes / Otto Porter Jr.
Pascal Siakam / Jalen Mcdaniels / Precious Achiwa
Jakob Poetl / Christian Koloko / Precious Achiwa

On Paper thats a solid fit. But does Dame see it that way?

it doesn't work like that with these stars trade. You have to be one of his "choices"

Raps would not be bidding against Heat which means they have to offer way more just to sit at the table. Blazer not just trading Dame here because OG is better than Tyler herro or w/e. OG also is in line for more money than herro.


Dame will be in BK or Heat or any other team he tosses into there as this drags on. Or you blow them out with an offer so good they don't mind destroying that relationship w/Dame.

I really hope OG isn’t in line for money than Herro. Herro makes like 30 million a year. Lol.

That’s not even a question, of course he will and it will be EASY money. There will be multiple teams willing to do so. In case you missed, he’s been the hottest non star trade target probably in the league for the past 2+ years.

Look what Wiggins ($30+/yr) got which is the same role and then Jerami Grant just pushed the number up higher.

[islandboy53]

I don't feel pitty for Lilard, everyone and their mother questioned that extension for this exact scenario that we foresaw, and he kept clapping back

Read on Twitter

?t=nqu5Ic7sccv_UkmvaG1nFg&s=19

Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk

He'll be earning $216 mil over the next 4 years, no matter where he plays. He has his preferred trade location(s), but no NTC. He's been 'loyal' to Portland, but he's earned $200 mil in return. Why exactly should Portland accept anything less than the best offer they can get?

[Bruin]

Dame will still end up in Miami. This is all just posturing to squeeze the most out of Miami

[alpngso]

Read on Twitter

[PhilBlackson]

Dame will still end up in Miami. This is all just posturing to squeeze the most out of Miami

What else is there for them to give?!

It’s already established the package is centered around Herro, Jovic and crappy picks.

There’s nothing else they’re withholding other than Bam which MIA obviously won’t part with.

[will]

Dame will still end up in Miami. This is all just posturing to squeeze the most out of Miami

What else is there for them to give?!

It’s already established the package is centered around Herro, Jovic and crappy picks.

There’s nothing else they’re withholding other than Bam which MIA obviously won’t part with.

Man, eff that.

Unless Dame has a NTC or NMC, POR should be dealing him to whatever squad that gives POR the best return.

[Bruin]

Dame will still end up in Miami. This is all just posturing to squeeze the most out of Miami

What else is there for them to give?!

It’s already established the package is centered around Herro, Jovic and crappy picks.

There’s nothing else they’re withholding other than Bam which MIA obviously won’t part with.

They’ll extract all the picks and swaps out of miami that they possibly can. It’s a players league now. I have a hard time seeing Portland sending him anywhere else unless they get a godfather offer from some other team

[manjusaka]

I am betting Utah as the destination for Lillard

[manjusaka]

Dame will still end up in Miami. This is all just posturing to squeeze the most out of Miami

What else is there for them to give?!

It’s already established the package is centered around Herro, Jovic and crappy picks.

There’s nothing else they’re withholding other than Bam which MIA obviously won’t part with.

Man, eff that.

Unless Dame has a NTC or NMC, POR should be dealing him to whatever squad that gives POR the best return.

He doesn’t have NTC and Miami has nothing with positive value to offer.

[PhilBlackson]

Dame will still end up in Miami. This is all just posturing to squeeze the most out of Miami

What else is there for them to give?!

It’s already established the package is centered around Herro, Jovic and crappy picks.

There’s nothing else they’re withholding other than Bam which MIA obviously won’t part with.

They’ll extract all the picks and swaps out of miami that they possibly can. It’s a players league now. I have a hard time seeing Portland sending him anywhere else unless they get a godfather offer from some other team

Well the report from Woj was literally just that they weren't going to fold to that pressure and pursue a trade that makes sense for them, so we'll see.

As a small aside, I totally get why MIA likes Jamie Jaquez but I think they should've kept this potential trade in mind and selected Cam Whitmore instead (just like we should've imo but whatever not hating on Gradey). At least they could've better sold POR on Whitmore, Jovic etc as the center pieces and I think Cam would've held more perceived value if they thought the Heat liked him. But that's whatever now and obviously not my concern lol, I hope MIA flops.

It's just more so a broader take that I think neither MIA or PHI have the right trade package because their best young piece are guards which is what POR already has and is deciding to build around. If POR is true to their word, I'd be dealing with the Spurs if the rumours are true of any minor mutual interest. Personally if I were them, I'd also take an outside chance and see if OKC would be open to moving some of their plethora of picks and maybe Giddey or something. Dame/SGA/WIlliams/Chet (too bad they didn't take Lively)...., I question if they'll get the most out of JG with SGA, Williams and now even Cason all there (who would also develop behind Dame as he ages) I'd honestly think about that if I were Presti.

[MiamiSPX]

Dame will still end up in Miami. This is all just posturing to squeeze the most out of Miami

What else is there for them to give?!

It’s already established the package is centered around Herro, Jovic and crappy picks.

There’s nothing else they’re withholding other than Bam which MIA obviously won’t part with.

They’ll extract all the picks and swaps out of miami that they possibly can. It’s a players league now. I have a hard time seeing Portland sending him anywhere else unless they get a godfather offer from some other team

Yep. POR are just putting the onus on the Heat to facilitate the 3-team deal and get them something good that they prefer instead of Herro.

[Scizzup]

Dame will still end up in Miami. This is all just posturing to squeeze the most out of Miami

yea, Nets did the same with KD. Obviously they can't say we work with him to get to Miami.

However it might not be Miami since Dame seem to like Nets also. They can offer picks and Dame can still get his 2nd round playoff team.

[Raps Next GM]

As much as everyone wants to see Portland deal Lillard to a team other than Miami, it’s not that straightforward.
They do or will have future relationships with his agents on other players, so you want to keep them in your good books. You also want to show Scoot, Sharpe and your other young talent that you are an organization that takes care of its own and respects their wishes, not to mention future free agents you want to join you.
It’s all hogwash of course, but players have so much leverage and are so accustomed to being spoiled that you have to play the game.

They will do whatever is best for the Blazers, but they will do what they can to make it work with Miami. Right now I don’t believe Miami has anywhere near the best package to offer, so Portland’s declaration is basically the courtesy of telling Miami, “get more assets to offer if you want him.”