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Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!!

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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#921 » by contract » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:07 pm

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inhabitMiami wrote:The drama of sending a 33 year old franchise player home so that young guys can get shots up is insanity. Dame will destroy that organization from his couch. There will be nothing left.

Fans don't have that kind of loyalty to players. Heat fans have convinced themselves that Blazer fans will turn on their team if they don't do right by Dame. Our own history should tell you different. Blazer fans aren't going to be happy if Dame gets what he wants, they are going to be happy if Cronin rapes the Heat or some other organization like Danny Ainge did when he shipped out Gobert and Mitchell. That's what Blazer fans want.


I would suggest checking out this discussion before saying that lol


What is that video supposed to show me? I don't need that video. We lived it just a few short years ago. Is your memory really that short?
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Post#922 » by CrossOver » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:10 pm

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contract wrote:Fans don't have that kind of loyalty to players. Heat fans have convinced themselves that Blazer fans will turn on their team if they don't do right by Dame. Our own history should tell you different. Blazer fans aren't going to be happy if Dame gets what he wants, they are going to be happy if Cronin rapes the Heat or some other organization like Danny Ainge did when he shipped out Gobert and Mitchell. That's what Blazer fans want.


I would suggest checking out this discussion before saying that lol


What is that video supposed to show me? I don't need that video. We lived it just a few short years ago. Is your memory really that short?


Well if you watched the video you'd understand that the fan sentiment is far more visceral to their front office and ownership group that you seem to believe. This isn't about me expecting the front office to do Dame a solid and get a **** deal for him but about the overall incompetence of management there.

You're relating Wade's situation to Dame's and they couldn't be further apart. One situation had a front office with championship pedigree and a strong track record behind them and the other has the dumpster fire that POR has been with a top 75 NBA player for his career.
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#923 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:11 pm

Chalm Downs wrote:his nickname is boywonder ffs
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#924 » by miamiballer » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:11 pm

Ok brothers

It’s 810 am in Portland. Best believe Cronin is waking up from his slumber in his SpongeBob pjs and going to have fruity pebbles while watching loony tunes. Then gonna call up Riley to hash this out
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Post#925 » by inhabitMiami » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:12 pm

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Post#926 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:14 pm

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Reducing our payment going out to make this happen is the big win in this. Make the Nets trade more to get Herro while unloading Ben. I would say Nets give 3 FRP in that scenario… all going to Portland.

We get Dame without giving Jovic and JJJ.

Already being a positive in the deal for us, imagine we then can make Ben look like a a half decent player again!? What would that say about Heat culture? What would that also mean if he has a good year with us and now is an expiring contract and a serviceable player!? We could probably move him again after this year. And if not, it’s only 2 years.

Ultimately, if we can turn Lowry/Duncan’s contracts (1 yr - $30mil / 3 yrs - $18mil/$19mil/$20mil) into the average of their contracts (2 years - $37mil/$40mil) and hopefully make Ben serviceable, while getting Dame and keeping the kids… I am in!
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Re: Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!! 

Post#927 » by contract » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:14 pm

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Vertical Limit wrote:Honestly, if JJJ and jovic shows some more progress throughout the summer, making a trade that involves both of them will be quite an expense for the Heat. Yes, Damian Liliard is that guy, he is generational, top 75 player.

But if you told me you can just trade lowry a first and filler for harden and keep all our guys.. and become so deep.. that we have herro jjj robinson and jovic off the bench.. just think about that..


I hate Harden, But if we can keep JJJ and Jovic and Martin and trade for a good PG instead of Lilard - i'd go for that way before I give up all these ridiculous packages for Dame.

Harden is an above average pg with passing abilities and a much better scorer than Gabe. Hes not the defensive player.. but the only player we lose getting him would be lowry a first and probably a second rounder.. in my proposal..

Now if philadelphia can get powell and morris then yea, thats a way better offer. But we wouldnt lose any of herro jjj jovic or martin with my trade proposal, we would be so deep. And we dont take on any trash cintracts like Nurkic or Simmons.

Also harden is an expiring ..

Harden would not agree to come here without a new contract lined up so ...
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Post#928 » by AirP. » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:19 pm

SoFlaKingReal wrote:Lol now I gotta argue with people on both sides. Some are saying our offer is a “bag of rocks”…others are adamant that the Heat are offering too much.

Aye yi yi


If it were me, I'd stand strong with sending Miami's 28 and 30 pick, Herro to a 3rd team for another 1st and a youngish player Portland likes and probably Lowry and Robinson but Miami would have to also take back Nurkic (or send him to a 3rd or 4th team).

So Miami ends up with...
- Lillard (2+ great years possibly 1-2 bad value.
- Move's Robinson's contract to negate some of the cost of Lillard's contract.

Portland ends up with...
- 3 1st, 2 of Miami's which would be middle of the 1st round or further back.
- Younger player they like.
- Move a lot of future salary.
- 30 mil expiring they can flip for more assets this season. (great time to do this with the 2nd apron just starting)
- Robinson they possibly could rehabilitate his value with minutes or let him be a huge get out of tax jail card to trade in 2025 since he can be waived and only 10 of the 20 million is guaranteed.

If Lillard were 31 or younger this next season (the age Portland should have moved him) sure you may expect to get more but he's going to be 33 and although he'll still be a good/great player for 2+ years, he's no longer in his prime and with that declining athletically.

I don't see how this isn't a good or fair offer, too many national media aren't looking more closely at what is being offered to a rebuilding team, I get wanting 1st from teams that could end up being near the top of the lottery but those teams aren't trading for a 33 year old guard.

There's a difference with KD and Lillard at their ages, one's basically a 7 foot shooting guard, the other is an undersized PG, one has the size to still play at a high level as his physical attributes start to decline.
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Post#929 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:21 pm

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Heat3 wrote:Portlands best move is to not trade him. Let him sit out. Then get a real war chest when he’s 34 :lol:

:lol:


:lol: He’s only getting older and more expensive.
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Post#930 » by Flash4thewin » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:21 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:About Simmons - (why are we even discussing him?) - He's broken not only mentally, but physically. He has sirous back issues. Those don't tend to go away.

Besides that - he's just an awful basketball fit - even in his prime. We can't have a 40Mil non shooter, it makes zero sense. If that cost of Lilard is taking Simmons - just don't bother getting Lilard and find another target.

We're not the desperate party here - stop trying to burn everything down and giving everything up just to get Lilard.

33 YO Lilard is not prime Wade, he's not our savoir and we don't need one.

You get a good deal or you move on.


We are basically trying to raping them are then are complaining they are not saying thank you. :lol:
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Post#931 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:22 pm

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Grumpy Heat Fan wrote:Forget Brooklyn. Is there no other team to include, that doesn't have an agenda to unload their problem child?

We're trying to trade a bag of rocks for an NBA superstar or near superstar. There are only two options. We either convince Portland that our bag of rocks is a bag of gold nuggets, or we're going to have to absorb someone else's junk to secure assets that do interest Portland.

The problem is that our offer has two main components, Tyler Herro and some picks. Tyler isn't nearly good enough to be the centerpiece of a trade for Dame, and our 1st round picks are almost guaranteed to be non-lottery picks. The truth is that if Portland swaps Dame for our assets, the GM should get fired on the spot.


Idk what the offer is, but Herro, Jovic, JJJ, two-three firsts, plus Lowrys fat expiring is not a “bag of rocks”.


Bro… that’s a bag of rocks for us!!! That is not and should never be the offer from us.
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Post#933 » by Daffy » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:23 pm

I don't understand why fans here want us to take Simmons back. I don't see any way possible he fits on this team as a positive addition on court.
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Post#934 » by Vertical Limit » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:24 pm

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Vertical Limit wrote:
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I hate Harden, But if we can keep JJJ and Jovic and Martin and trade for a good PG instead of Lilard - i'd go for that way before I give up all these ridiculous packages for Dame.

Harden is an above average pg with passing abilities and a much better scorer than Gabe. Hes not the defensive player.. but the only player we lose getting him would be lowry a first and probably a second rounder.. in my proposal..

Now if philadelphia can get powell and morris then yea, thats a way better offer. But we wouldnt lose any of herro jjj jovic or martin with my trade proposal, we would be so deep. And we dont take on any trash cintracts like Nurkic or Simmons.

Also harden is an expiring ..

Harden would not agree to come here without a new contract lined up so ...

An extension that lines up with butlers final year, but final year being team option..
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Post#935 » by oreon » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:25 pm

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I would suggest checking out this discussion before saying that lol


What is that video supposed to show me? I don't need that video. We lived it just a few short years ago. Is your memory really that short?


Well if you watched the video you'd understand that the fan sentiment is far more visceral to their front office and ownership group that you seem to believe. This isn't about me expecting the front office to do Dame a solid and get a **** deal for him but about the overall incompetence of management there.

You're relating Wade's situation to Dame's and they couldn't be further apart. One situation had a front office with championship pedigree and a strong track record behind them and the other has the dumpster fire that POR has been with a top 75 NBA player for his career.


Portland wasn't a dumpster fire. They were a perennial playoff team that wasn't good enough. It's tough to win in playoffs when your two best players are small guards.
The stuff about Portland having to trade now cuz fans would turn on FO or Dame would poison the well for the young kids or this would turn off future FA agents is vastly overstated. It's all fanfic and has no impact on the trade negotiations. Training camp isn't for another a couple months so there's no incentive for Portland to make a deal right now and Dame doesn't have the leverage to force anything through.
Now if its gets to training camp and he threatens not to show up then it could create the toxic situation where they have to move him.
There's a chance the deal could be done soon but If I was Portland and I didn't like the offer from Heat I would drag it out as much as possible. So I expect this to go on for a while.
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Post#936 » by Flash4thewin » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:25 pm

Daffy wrote:I don't understand why fans here want us to take Simmons back. I don't see any way possible he fits on this team as a positive addition on court.


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Post#937 » by EMC5466 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:26 pm

Imagine Ben Simmons with Heat Culture.
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Post#938 » by AirP. » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:27 pm

Daffy wrote:I don't understand why fans here want us to take Simmons back. I don't see any way possible he fits on this team as a positive addition on court.


If Miami and Portland can't find a at trade of Herro or Simons for a 1st and a youngish player Portland likes then BOTH FOs screwed up with the contracts last year, it's why you can't just let the market set the price... GS already got off their overpriced younger player with Poole being moved for CP3.
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Post#939 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:27 pm

SoFlaKingReal wrote:Lol now I gotta argue with people on both sides. Some are saying our offer is a “bag of rocks”…others are adamant that the Heat are offering too much.

Aye yi yi


You need to pick a side and stop walking the line brotha!!!

It also helps to see where that line is… for me, it’s Herro and 2 picks plus fillers or Herro and kids plus fillers. You can’t have Herro, picks, and kids plus our expiring contract.
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Post#940 » by CrossOver » Tue Jul 4, 2023 3:31 pm

There is no scenario where Miami is taking back Ben Simmons here. Him and Dame make too much together. The HEAT would be over the 2nd apron once they signed the remaining roster slots and they are stuck with that team essentially for two seasons.

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