Miami Heat Offseason Thread 7.0: 3ammy vs Cronin, Winner Takes Dame!!

[IceColdCubano]

Y’all keep complaining about the value of our trade but ignoring that James harden trade to the nets which was pure trash.

Find another trade to compare it to. Harden was acting a fool, getting fat, and showing up late to practice and willing to tank his value to get to where he wanted. Lillard is not doing that, he is a great deal more professional.

[Spacely]

Y’all keep complaining about the value of our trade but ignoring that James harden trade to the nets which was pure trash.

Find another trade to compare it to. Harden was acting a fool, getting fat, and showing up late to practice and willing to tank his value to get to where he wanted. Lillard is not doing that, he is a great deal more professional.

it’s still James harden

Even the KD trade isn’t equal in value

So what are we doing here?

[Rapaz]

Mark your calendars, the trade is happening on July 6th. Confirmed by my sources.

Fat chance. I’m going on a 4-week vacation starting tomorrow, returning 8/1. My phone will be off the entire time.

[heatlejuice]

Just stop being a non bias homer?
I’m not like that, I see things for what they are. Just picture this “Dame has demanded a trade to the Lakers”. Now Portland has to accept Deangelo Russel and Hachimura plus any other over paid scrub on the team. Every single person here would be sounding like the guys on the GB how this is pure bs, how lebron always gets what he wants, why watch this fraternity sport etc.

Take off the homer glasses and realize it’s BS. We don’t have assets to deserve a guy like Dame. This would simply be a gift wrapped present to us and that’s the only reason everyone here jumping for joy. Tyler Herro is not landing Dame or Curry or KD or any top end player on the open market. This is bully tactics plain and simple.

Objectively speaking, your posts have been some of the most negative I've seen on this forum. That can't be fun for you can it?

I say 80% chance we get Dame but anything can happen.

The real question though, if we do get Dame, are you gonna stop or will you find something else to be super negative about?

To you it’s negative, to me it’s realistic. I’m a heat fan, but I’m not a blind homer. Herro for Dame wouldn’t even fly on NBA 2k with trade override on

You didn't answer the question. In the "off chance homers are right" and the heat land Dame, what are you going to do? Will you apologize to all the "unrealistic homers" here?

[heatlejuice]

The only fair trade here is if we include Bam. Anything less than that Portland has no reason to accept our mediocre package. And imo that trade makes us worse, not better.

[Bishop45]

I'd take Bol Bol as a flyer, but we probably have too many big men projects at the moment

[QUIZ]

He’s gonna have Jokic shaking in his boots

[Spacely]

And hold on a second if the Heat’s picks are 28’ and 30’ there’s no real guarantee we will have superstars during that time either or not be a lottery team, so what are y’all crying about again? At the end of the day a lot of this chit is a gamble

[Lilseb93]

Portland fans/org really think they are going to get a treasure chest for 33 year old Dame on a max deal that only 1 team seriously wants (unless somebody else starts getting serious about this) and the only team he wants to play for. So it's either Miami or Portland that keeps him. If we don't get him, we just develop our own players and retool somewhere else. Portland can deal with the drama of keeping him if there is any. That's why you negotiate from a position of leverage and strength.

[Spacely]

Portland fans/org really think they are going to get a treasure chest for 33 year old Dame on a max deal that only 1 team seriously wants (unless somebody else starts getting serious about this) and the only team he wants to play for. So it's either Miami or Portland that keeps him. If we don't get him, we just develop our own players and retool somewhere else. Portland can deal with the drama of keeping him if there is any. That's why you negotiate from a position of leverage and strength.

Then they can just keep a disgruntled Dame and get nothing. Or trade him to wherever and ruin your organization’s trust ability. They wanna be that butt hurt cry baby franchise let them be it, dude was amazing to y’all for 11 years.

[IceColdCubano]

Y’all keep complaining about the value of our trade but ignoring that James harden trade to the nets which was pure trash.

Find another trade to compare it to. Harden was acting a fool, getting fat, and showing up late to practice and willing to tank his value to get to where he wanted. Lillard is not doing that, he is a great deal more professional.

it’s still James harden

Even the KD trade isn’t equal in value

So what are we doing here?

Stop falling into the trap of value, the question is value to whom?
Player x, Picks, swaps = one value to one team and another value to another.
Find what the team is valuing more, for Portland, they are asking for (1) Young players first (2) First round picks (3) Expirings. In that order.
Miami is sending Herro (does not meet the quota, because he plays a position they do not need) little to no value to them.
Firs round picks, Miami's picks are late first rounders, they hold little weight, so if their not meeting the first request then at a minimun they will need a third team to get them 2 FRP's from another team, plus Miamis 2 FRP's at minimun.
Expiring contract, that is the only item Miami is meeting on their demand, but its last on the last of value for them.
Miami needs to find a way to meet deman (1), (2).

Durant trade gave the Brooklyn nets the value they requested more. (1) stud player (2) Picks & Pick swaps. at the time Phoenix had CP3 plus now Durant all at the end of their careers, those later FRP's from Phoenix will be valuable since Phoenix should stink in the couple of years.

[QUIZ]

Portland fans/org really think they are going to get a treasure chest for 33 year old Dame on a max deal that only 1 team seriously wants (unless somebody else starts getting serious about this) and the only team he wants to play for. So it's either Miami or Portland that keeps him. If we don't get him, we just develop our own players and retool somewhere else. Portland can deal with the drama of keeping him if there is any. That's why you negotiate from a position of leverage and strength.

I feel for them. Imagine if Wade had demanded a trade to Chicago in 2010 and all they were offering was a couple of picks and solid young guys, we’d be upset too I’m sure.

We all viewed Wade as being just as good as LeBron and Kobe at the time in the same way that I’m sure most Trailblazers fans think Dame is as good as Curry. Some probably think he was even better than Curry last season.

Hopefully for all involved this is resolved soon and amicably.

[Spacely]

Find another trade to compare it to. Harden was acting a fool, getting fat, and showing up late to practice and willing to tank his value to get to where he wanted. Lillard is not doing that, he is a great deal more professional.

it’s still James harden

Even the KD trade isn’t equal in value

So what are we doing here?

Stop falling into the trap of value, the question is value to whom?
Player x, Picks, swaps = one value to one team and another value to another.
Find what the team is valuing more, for Portland, they are asking for (1) Young players first (2) First round picks (3) Expirings. In that order.
Miami is sending Herro (does not meet the quota, because he plays position of need) little to no value to them.
Firs round picks, Miami's picks are late first rounders, they hold little weight, so if their not meeting the first request then at a minimun they will need a third team to get them 2 FRP's from another team, plus Miamis 2 FRP's at minimun.
Expiring contract, that is the only item Miami is meeting on their demand, but its last on the last of value for them.
Miami needs to find a way to meet deman (1), (2).

Durant trade gave the Brooklyn nets the value they requested more. (1) stud player (2) Picks & Pick swaps. at the time Phoenix had CP3 plus now Durant all at the end of their careers, those later FRP's from Phoenix will be valuable since Phoenix should stink in the couple of years.

How is 28’ and 30’ FRPs guaranteed late first round???

Mikal Bridges was a role player when he was traded he wasn’t a stud, again most of those picks are gonna be late first round using your logic of the Heat picks.

[Lilseb93]

Portland fans/org really think they are going to get a treasure chest for 33 year old Dame on a max deal that only 1 team seriously wants (unless somebody else starts getting serious about this) and the only team he wants to play for. So it's either Miami or Portland that keeps him. If we don't get him, we just develop our own players and retool somewhere else. Portland can deal with the drama of keeping him if there is any. That's why you negotiate from a position of leverage and strength.

Then they can just keep a disgruntled Dame and get nothing. Or trade him to wherever and ruin your organization’s trust ability. They wanna be that butt hurt cry baby franchise let them be it, dude was amazing to y’all for 11 years.

Exactly but if you went by the GB and Twitter you'd think there are 25 teams offering Portland assets and Miami is the only one lowballing them. Why would the Heat outbid themselves if they are the only ones seriously bidding? Even then, I don't know what Miami is offering. Miami could be offering a fine deal and Portland could just have unrealistic expectations. We're all going by media guys who have their own agendas or they are just going by sources who we don't even know is correct.

[dean456]

An expiring is not gonna need a pick attached

It literally just happened with Dipo.

The Heat are sending two second-round draft picks to the Oklahoma City Thunder to facilitate the offloading of Victor Oladipo's contract.

— Ira Winderman (@IraHeatBeat)

Lowrys expiring is 30 million my dude and is that a first round pick?

What contract is also failing to realise is that we traded Oladipo for cash. OKC had to use their available cap space to absorb him that's why it cost us the 2nd rounders.

Trading Lowry's expiring for another expiring is a 1 to 1 deal, trading Lowry's expiring for a player on a multi year deal to a team trying to reduce their cap sheet then Miami has the leverage to ask for more in return.

In Portland's case they are trying to rebuild so having expiring money coming off their books asap is valuable to them.

[IceColdCubano]

it’s still James harden

Even the KD trade isn’t equal in value

So what are we doing here?

Stop falling into the trap of value, the question is value to whom?
Player x, Picks, swaps = one value to one team and another value to another.
Find what the team is valuing more, for Portland, they are asking for (1) Young players first (2) First round picks (3) Expirings. In that order.
Miami is sending Herro (does not meet the quota, because he plays position of need) little to no value to them.
Firs round picks, Miami's picks are late first rounders, they hold little weight, so if their not meeting the first request then at a minimun they will need a third team to get them 2 FRP's from another team, plus Miamis 2 FRP's at minimun.
Expiring contract, that is the only item Miami is meeting on their demand, but its last on the last of value for them.
Miami needs to find a way to meet deman (1), (2).

Durant trade gave the Brooklyn nets the value they requested more. (1) stud player (2) Picks & Pick swaps. at the time Phoenix had CP3 plus now Durant all at the end of their careers, those later FRP's from Phoenix will be valuable since Phoenix should stink in the couple of years.

How is 28’ and 30’ FRPs guaranteed late first round???

Mikal Bridges was a role player when he was traded he wasn’t a stud, again most of those picks are gonna be late first round using your logic of the Heat picks.

Miami is still going to have BAM on the team, and keep surrounding it with key players. Miami turns their rebuilds around rather quickly within 1-2 years. chances of you landing on those years are slim just using law of averages.

[Lilseb93]

Portland fans/org really think they are going to get a treasure chest for 33 year old Dame on a max deal that only 1 team seriously wants (unless somebody else starts getting serious about this) and the only team he wants to play for. So it's either Miami or Portland that keeps him. If we don't get him, we just develop our own players and retool somewhere else. Portland can deal with the drama of keeping him if there is any. That's why you negotiate from a position of leverage and strength.

I feel for them. Imagine if Wade had demanded a trade to Chicago in 2010 and all they were offering was a couple of picks and solid young guys, we’d be upset too I’m sure.

We all viewed Wade as being just as good as LeBron and Kobe at the time in the same way that I’m sure most Trailblazers fans think Dame is as good as Curry. Some probably think he was even better than Curry last season.

Hopefully for all involved this is resolved soon and amicably.

I don't have any issues with Portland. I like them and their fans and I feel for them. I'm just talking from a pure business standpoint where you have to be more aggressive with negotiating.

[HEATVols865]

Cowherd lost all credibility when he said Messi was the best…that’s how big of an idiot he is

[Spacely]

Stop falling into the trap of value, the question is value to whom?
Player x, Picks, swaps = one value to one team and another value to another.
Find what the team is valuing more, for Portland, they are asking for (1) Young players first (2) First round picks (3) Expirings. In that order.
Miami is sending Herro (does not meet the quota, because he plays position of need) little to no value to them.
Firs round picks, Miami's picks are late first rounders, they hold little weight, so if their not meeting the first request then at a minimun they will need a third team to get them 2 FRP's from another team, plus Miamis 2 FRP's at minimun.
Expiring contract, that is the only item Miami is meeting on their demand, but its last on the last of value for them.
Miami needs to find a way to meet deman (1), (2).

Durant trade gave the Brooklyn nets the value they requested more. (1) stud player (2) Picks & Pick swaps. at the time Phoenix had CP3 plus now Durant all at the end of their careers, those later FRP's from Phoenix will be valuable since Phoenix should stink in the couple of years.

How is 28’ and 30’ FRPs guaranteed late first round???

Mikal Bridges was a role player when he was traded he wasn’t a stud, again most of those picks are gonna be late first round using your logic of the Heat picks.

Miami is still going to have BAM on the team, and keep surrounding it with key players. Miami turns their rebuilds around rather quickly within 1-2 years. chances of you landing on those years are slim just using law of averages.

Can’t go by that and that’s not guaranteed either because Bam isn’t under contract during that time. Didn’t even Prime D Wade not make the playoffs and they drafted Michael Beasley?

[Lilseb93]

IDC what people in the GB say, you are not going to convince me that the media isn't pissed that Dame wants to go to Miami.