Orlando Magic Vegas Summer League Games Thread Discussion (vs. Boston)

CarraT · Post #741 » by **CarraT** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 8:32 am

AB looks like MCW 2.0, no surprise here. No way he will stay long in the NBA, if he cant improve his shot ALOT!
Jett looks like he can be a rotation player. Im glad his defense and speed is better then predicted. He may become a pre injurey, taller Gary Harris.

Post #742 » by **SOUL** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:23 am

Magic fans and comparing them to any Magic player that has a similar flaw.. name a better combo...

Stuff I've heard over the last 2 years:

Jett = Okeke, Harris
AB = Fultz, Penny, Elfrid, MCW
Suggs = Fultz
Franz = Hedo

It's crazy because thousands of NBA players have played :lol:

zaymon · Post #743 » by **zaymon** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:58 am

Black should watch a lot of Brunson. Use his lower body strength to create open looks.
I like him but coming from the bench will help him.

pepe1991 · Post #744 » by **pepe1991** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:05 am

meatwad4343 wrote:Not sure how a point guard that can't dribble or shoot fits on the team but hopefully ab improves

Perfect fit :lol:

Post #745 » by **SOUL** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:14 am

Read on Twitter

I can't believe we didn't keep him!!

basketballRob · Post #746 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:22 am

SOUL wrote:Keyonte only played one quarter tonight but in other news.. Cason had a subpar game and Bufkin struggled again

Pickett is looking solid for Denver as a bench guard

Three weeks ago, the majority didn't want anything to do with Keyonte because he couldn't shoot.

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basketballRob · Post #747 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:24 am

Hopefully, the rookies stay healthy this season and keep improving. Health is the key during this developmental years.

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pepe1991 · Post #748 » by **pepe1991** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:35 am

SOUL wrote:

Read on Twitter

I can't believe we didn't keep him!!

Summer Jordan? :lol:

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #749 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:22 am

DiplomaticMagic wrote:Are our lottery picks even going to be in rotation? Im not impressed at all.

Say what you want about Markelle or Suggs shot, but AB is way worse. His defense has been really good, but man how can you play him over any of our guards??

And even with Jett scoring a lot, I am not seeing how hes anything more than a shooter. His dribbling just doesnt seem to be effective and he just doesnt look like a good athlete. Not quick or explosive. He doesnt dunk near the rim and often fades away when getting near rim. He has made some good reads but also a lot of lazy passes. His defense has been a lot better than advertised though.

AB is very impressive. He can’t shoot-but we all know this-he does everything else well. One thing is he shows up in the 4th quarter. We saw that in the 1st and 3rd game.

If all Jett become is a sniper then he will mostly definitely get minutes. Our team can’t shoot.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #750 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 12:48 pm

Our rooks are playing with mostly non nba players. We’re need to evaluate after playing with actual nba talent.

JoshuaPotter · Post #751 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:27 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:Our rooks are playing with mostly non nba players. We’re need to evaluate after playing with actual nba talent.

To be fair. This is probably the most honest take here.

Looking at the box score and reading through the thread from last night.

I like what I see from Black overall. Less so from Howard but i'm happy that he had a game to showcase his shooting. Puts me a tad more at ease.

It is clear to me that the level of talent our team assemble for summer league was not good, not good at all. I honestly would not have been mad if we straight up pulled them from the Summer League after game 1 as I do not see how this league benefited them with their skill set.

Black and Blue · Post #752 » by **Black and Blue** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:13 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:Our rooks are playing with mostly non nba players. We’re need to evaluate after playing with actual nba talent.

Agreed, although there is some merit early on. I think given the subpar SL teammates and opposition, the most we could hope to glean was, "Do these two rookies have multiple skills they can bring to help our team out?" To that end this summer league was a big success as AB and Howard showcased multiple different positive traits.

From here on out it's on the Magic organization to round out their games and get them ready for the speed and endurance of the NBA game. Given the glut of players at positions in the depth chart and slow development of many of our current players, that to me is a larger concern. If AB and Jett spend most of this season on the bench, especially in favor of players with ending contracts, I'm not sure that helps anybody.

BlueBalls · Post #753 » by **BlueBalls** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:45 pm

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:Are our lottery picks even going to be in rotation? Im not impressed at all.

Say what you want about Markelle or Suggs shot, but AB is way worse. His defense has been really good, but man how can you play him over any of our guards??

And even with Jett scoring a lot, I am not seeing how hes anything more than a shooter. His dribbling just doesnt seem to be effective and he just doesnt look like a good athlete. Not quick or explosive. He doesnt dunk near the rim and often fades away when getting near rim. He has made some good reads but also a lot of lazy passes. His defense has been a lot better than advertised though.

AB is very impressive. He can’t shoot-but we all know this-he does everything else well. One thing is he shows up in the 4th quarter. We saw that in the 1st and 3rd game.

If all Jett become is a sniper then he will mostly definitely get minutes. Our team can’t shoot.

He can’t shoot but “we all know this?”

Maybe 10 of us know it. The rest are convinced he’s dead on balls accurate. The fact that he cannot shoot is the reason why this pick was a bad one. And that doesn’t get fixed magically; pun intended.

And we reached for a “sniper” with our 2nd lotto pick in what was likely some misguided attempt at compensating for Black’s weakness by taking a player with complimentary skills. Like we get to take the aggregate and call it a W.

Audi · Post #754 » by **Audi** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:48 pm

Lol. People claim to know "it's just summer league" but we still get plenty of both extremes here - from "we made the wrong pick" doomers to photoshopping AB's head on our starting PG's body.

Never change, Magic fans.

JoshuaPotter · Post #755 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:59 pm

Audi wrote:Lol. People claim to know "it's just summer league" but we still get plenty of both extremes here - from "we made the wrong pick" doomers to photoshopping AB's head on our starting PG's body.

Never change, Magic fans.

Overall though, I wasn't mad with what I saw. Which going off the game thread and the box score was 2-5 basketball at the position less level.

RookieStar · Post #756 » by **RookieStar** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 3:06 pm

You guys saw that painful ankle injury on our boy keyonte? Yikes.... that had gotta hurt. They brtter shut him down and hope he is good to go for the season.

89Magicfan · Post #757 » by **89Magicfan** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 3:16 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Our rooks are playing with mostly non nba players. We’re need to evaluate after playing with actual nba talent.

To be fair. This is probably the most honest take here.

Looking at the box score and reading through the thread from last night.

I like what I see from Black overall. Less so from Howard but i'm happy that he had a game to showcase his shooting. Puts me a tad more at ease.

It is clear to me that the level of talent our team assemble for summer league was not good, not good at all. I honestly would not have been mad if we straight up pulled them from the Summer League after game 1 as I do not see how this league benefited them with their skill set.

And better coaching

tiderulz · Post #758 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 3:21 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Our rooks are playing with mostly non nba players. We’re need to evaluate after playing with actual nba talent.

To be fair. This is probably the most honest take here.

Looking at the box score and reading through the thread from last night.

I like what I see from Black overall. Less so from Howard but i'm happy that he had a game to showcase his shooting. Puts me a tad more at ease.

It is clear to me that the level of talent our team assemble for summer league was not good, not good at all. I honestly would not have been mad if we straight up pulled them from the Summer League after game 1 as I do not see how this league benefited them with their skill set.

im actually the reverse. to me, Jett was chosen to play SG/SF and to make 3's. he has shown he can make 3's. I'm not a believer yet in this dynamic scoring ability from him, but i dont think they ask that of him, especially not right away.

Black, we cannot exist in today's NBA with a bad shooting PG. his shot HAS to improve and improve fast.

bigdogdylan5 · Post #759 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 3:21 pm

Audi wrote:Lol. People claim to know "it's just summer league" but we still get plenty of both extremes here - from "we made the wrong pick" doomers to photoshopping AB's head on our starting PG's body.

Never change, Magic fans.

Yea I wish there was more level heads. I just push back on the negative because these are both young kids. I think there is a lot to like about Black and I think it could do him some good being brought along slowly. Same with Jett. I will always advocate for patience.

89Magicfan · Post #760 » by **89Magicfan** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 3:24 pm

tiderulz wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Our rooks are playing with mostly non nba players. We’re need to evaluate after playing with actual nba talent.

To be fair. This is probably the most honest take here.

Looking at the box score and reading through the thread from last night.

I like what I see from Black overall. Less so from Howard but i'm happy that he had a game to showcase his shooting. Puts me a tad more at ease.

It is clear to me that the level of talent our team assemble for summer league was not good, not good at all. I honestly would not have been mad if we straight up pulled them from the Summer League after game 1 as I do not see how this league benefited them with their skill set.

im actually the reverse. to me, Jett was chosen to play SG/SF and to make 3's. he has shown he can make 3's. I'm not a believer yet in this dynamic scoring ability from him, but i dont think they ask that of him, especially not right away.

Black, we cannot exist in today's NBA with a bad shooting PG. his shot HAS to improve and improve fast.

True but if he has guys around him that can shoot it can work. He still needs to improve of course.

My issue is he really that good of a facilitator? Or he is he like Suggs? If he’s not elite on top of the shooting, he’s a bench player and that at 6 is...No beuno