**The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two**

[thinktank]

Please go to 12:15. I think this is eye opening considering how Kats IQ is so low and just watching all of his mistakes. He's just not in his optimal position to win.

What are we supposed to see at 12:15? Myles Turner talk about how he is a great defender?

I saw Myles Turner crediting his return to the center position for his improved play last year.

[TimberKat]

Please go to 12:15. I think this is eye opening considering how Kats IQ is so low and just watching all of his mistakes. He's just not in his optimal position to win.

What are we supposed to see at 12:15? Myles Turner talk about how he is a great defender?

I saw Myles Turner crediting his return to the center position for his improved play last year.

OK, what is that has to do with Towns' poor defense? Not trying to defend Towns but not getting the connection?

[Folklore]

What are we supposed to see at 12:15? Myles Turner talk about how he is a great defender?

I saw Myles Turner crediting his return to the center position for his improved play last year.

OK, what is that has to do with Towns' poor defense? Not trying to defend Towns but not getting the connection?

It was never about Towns defense. It was hearing another big talk about playing out of his position, and how hard it was for him doing it.

Or just watch a minute of it lol

[Slim Tubby]

I saw Myles Turner crediting his return to the center position for his improved play last year.

OK, what is that has to do with Towns' poor defense? Not trying to defend Towns but not getting the connection?

It was never about Towns defense. It was hearing another big talk about playing out of his position, and how hard it was for him doing it.

Or just watch a minute of it lol

I don't think anyone can deny that KAT has a better chance at being a more effective defender at C compared to PF in today's NBA. Moving him to PF gives Towns a big advantage on the offensive end but equally, if not greater, deficit on the defensive end.

[Baseline81]

I don't think anyone can deny that KAT has a better chance at being a more effective defender at C compared to PF in today's NBA. Moving him to PF gives Towns a big advantage on the offensive end but equally, if not greater, deficit on the defensive end.

Does it?

We all thought it should, but I'm not convinced it has. Have we seen him outmuscle his opponent?

One benefit Towns had over other centers was his ability to drive past them. And it they sagged off, he would pop the 3-point shot. Does this hold true with him at PF?

[thinktank]

What are we supposed to see at 12:15? Myles Turner talk about how he is a great defender?

I saw Myles Turner crediting his return to the center position for his improved play last year.

OK, what is that has to do with Towns' poor defense? Not trying to defend Towns but not getting the connection?

I don’t believe the poster mentioned defense. Why restrict his point to defense only? First you couldn’t see the relevance of the video, now you only want to talk about defense.

Watch on YouTube

Please go to 12:15. I think this is eye opening considering how Kats IQ is so low and just watching all of his mistakes. He's just not in his optimal position to win.

[Slim Tubby]

I don't think anyone can deny that KAT has a better chance at being a more effective defender at C compared to PF in today's NBA. Moving him to PF gives Towns a big advantage on the offensive end but equally, if not greater, deficit on the defensive end.

Does it?

One benefit Towns had over other centers was his ability to drive past them. And it they sagged off, he would pop the 3-point shot. Does this hold true with him at PF?

Not nearly as much at PF. Are there offensive and defensive ratings that would show how KAT's #'s compare when he's at both positions?

[Klomp]

Interesting. What I take from it is the fact that Turner felt like he was playing PF the last number of years next to Sabonis. Most people you talk to would call Sabonis the PF in that lineup and Turner was the C. The way I equate it to Towns is how fan understanding differs from how players are actually used. Just how Turner said he was actually the PF, in reality, Towns was actually used as the PF in lineups next to Dieng, Gibson and Vanderbilt so this past season wasn't really all that different for him.

[TimberKat]

I saw Myles Turner crediting his return to the center position for his improved play last year.

OK, what is that has to do with Towns' poor defense? Not trying to defend Towns but not getting the connection?

It was never about Towns defense. It was hearing another big talk about playing out of his position, and how hard it was for him doing it.

Or just watch a minute of it lol

OK, what does the video has to do with the comment ” I think this is eye opening considering how Kats IQ is so low and just watching all of his mistakes. He's just not in his optimal position to win."? How is it relate to Towns? Is Kats = Towns? I maybe totally missing the point here

Anyway, if we are talking about how difficult it is to switch position, Pacer ask Myles to excel in D in his new position. We move Towns to pfd to hide his weakness and don't get hit as much. Put him on a offense challenged guy, so should be easier for him. Although I feel like we had some success against Jokic with Towns on him and Gobert play the help guy. Maybe we will use both models next year depending on match up.

[thinktank]

Wolves fans can’t even admit that Towns is a C playing PF.

Amazing.

Dieng was backup C to Towns, btw.

Towns was actually used as the PF in lineups next to Dieng, Gibson and Vanderbilt so this past season wasn't really all that different for him.

Towns did not play PF next to Vandy. Or Gibson. With Dieng, they didn’t share the floor very much.

[Klomp]

Dieng was backup C to Towns, btw.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2017.html

[thinktank]

Dieng was backup C to Towns, btw.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2017.html

In your mind, who was Towns’ backup C that year you linked to?

If this website is your source of truth, then why is Dieng listed at C in every other season with the Wolves than the one you linked to?

Because Dieng is a backup C. That was his position his entire career.

In the season you link to 82 games has Towns playing C in both most common lineups. http://www.82games.com/1617/16MIN15.HTM

Similarly, they have Vandy playing PF, as well as Gibson, when they were with us. Vandy at C was a disaster, in the few lineups we used it. Way too small.

[shrink]

Wolves fans can’t even admit that Towns is a C playing PF.

Amazing.

Dieng was backup C to Towns, btw.

Towns was actually used as the PF in lineups next to Dieng, Gibson and Vanderbilt so this past season wasn't really all that different for him.

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When a person makes a post like this, it always comes off as attention-seeking trolling.

It’s more than just the logical fallacy of overgeneralizing a quote from one person to represent a group. It comes off as intentional, because thinktank knows our fanbase is divided on many many issues.

“Amazing”

[thinktank]

Wolves fans can’t even admit that Towns is a C playing PF.

Amazing.

Dieng was backup C to Towns, btw.

Towns was actually used as the PF in lineups next to Dieng, Gibson and Vanderbilt so this past season wasn't really all that different for him.

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When a person makes a post like this, it always comes off as attention-seeking trolling.

It’s more than just the logical fallacy of saying a quote from one person represents a group. It’s much worse here, because think tank knows our fanbase is divided on many many issues.

“Amazing”

It’s a trend. If you want I can tabúlate everyone’s opinions and present a rigorous analysis. It’ll only take me all week.

I’m saying this board seems to have a tough time acknowledging things as obvious as Towns’ natural position is CENTER. Wolves forum is in the gymnastics business. Love was a good defender and Towns is a natural PF are two of the odder things I’ve seen mods, of all people (or former mods), defend in the past 24 hours.

[TimberKat]

Wolves fans can’t even admit that Towns is a C playing PF.

Amazing.

Dieng was backup C to Towns, btw.

Towns was actually used as the PF in lineups next to Dieng, Gibson and Vanderbilt so this past season wasn't really all that different for him.

Towns did not play PF next to Vandy. Or Gibson. With Dieng, they didn’t share the floor very much.

Quote from Towns :"The last time I had something like this, obviously I had Gorgui Dieng, I played [power forward] a lot of years in the NBA. Fans forgot that. It's OK," Towns told CBS Sports. "And go back to me in college. This is how I played in college. Willie Cauley-Stein is like 7-2. I don't know what they're missing in that."

Not saying Wolves played "a lot" that way but Towns does play pfd.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/karl-anthony-towns-eager-to-sacrifice-to-deliver-wolves-a-title-because-hes-been-doing-it-his-whole-life/

[thinktank]

Wolves fans can’t even admit that Towns is a C playing PF.

Amazing.

Dieng was backup C to Towns, btw.

Towns was actually used as the PF in lineups next to Dieng, Gibson and Vanderbilt so this past season wasn't really all that different for him.

Towns did not play PF next to Vandy. Or Gibson. With Dieng, they didn’t share the floor very much.

Quote from Towns :"The last time I had something like this, obviously I had Gorgui Dieng, I played [power forward] a lot of years in the NBA. Fans forgot that. It's OK," Towns told CBS Sports. "And go back to me in college. This is how I played in college. Willie Cauley-Stein is like 7-2. I don't know what they're missing in that."

Not saying Wolves played "a lot" that way but Towns does play pfd.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/karl-anthony-towns-eager-to-sacrifice-to-deliver-wolves-a-title-because-hes-been-doing-it-his-whole-life/

If Towns is a natural PF then why is the article titled “ Karl-Anthony Towns eager to sacrifice…”? A better title, under your argument, would’ve been something like “Towns happy to move back to PF”.

He plays some PF, but he’s a natural C, just like Miles Turner, to bring it back on topic.

My guess is that Towns will ultimately play out the rest of his career as a C, where he is best used to naturally stretch the defensive C out to the perimeter with his shooting, or drive right by him to the rim. Verses having his ballhandling advantage be taken away by PFs in the playoffs (because they’re quicker and can afford to get in Towns jock all the way out to the perimeter).

There’s a reason most of the bball watching public doesn’t think our two big lineup will work (Towns isn’t a natural PF). The group think, Vegas, etc. could be wrong. So far, they have not been wrong. It’s very difficult for a team to win consistently above .500 with a top ranked defense and a bottom ranked offense.

[Klomp]

Wolves fans can’t even admit that Towns is a C playing PF.

Amazing.

Dieng was backup C to Towns, btw.

Towns was actually used as the PF in lineups next to Dieng, Gibson and Vanderbilt so this past season wasn't really all that different for him.

Towns did not play PF next to Vandy. Or Gibson. With Dieng, they didn’t share the floor very much.

Either Towns was a PF in 2016-17 or Dieng was a PF. They can't both be Cs because they both started all 82 games that year.

[TimberKat]

Wolves fans can’t even admit that Towns is a C playing PF.

Amazing.

Dieng was backup C to Towns, btw.

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When a person makes a post like this, it always comes off as attention-seeking trolling.

It’s more than just the logical fallacy of saying a quote from one person represents a group. It’s much worse here, because think tank knows our fanbase is divided on many many issues.

“Amazing”

It’s a trend. If you want I can tabúlate everyone’s opinions and present a rigorous analysis. It’ll only take me all week.

I’m saying this board seems to have a tough time acknowledging things as obvious as Towns’ natural position is CENTER. Wolves forum is in the gymnastics business. Love was a good defender and Towns is a natural PF are two of the odder things I’ve seen mods, of all people (or former mods), defend in the past 24 hours.

Do you actually follow Wolves? This is not the first time we question if Towns is pfd or ct:

https://zonecoverage.com/2020/timberwolves/timberwolves-mailbag-can-gorgui-dieng-and-karl-anthony-towns-play-together/

I know there is a quote from Jim Pete or Thib that said - Gibson guards center or Gibson is the center. Maybe some else could find it.

[thinktank]

Wolves fans can’t even admit that Towns is a C playing PF.

Amazing.

Dieng was backup C to Towns, btw.

Towns was actually used as the PF in lineups next to Dieng, Gibson and Vanderbilt so this past season wasn't really all that different for him.

Towns did not play PF next to Vandy. Or Gibson. With Dieng, they didn’t share the floor very much.

Either Towns was a PF in 2016-17 or Dieng was a PF. They can't both be Cs because they both started all 82 games that year.

Tell me straight up, do you think Miles Turner is a more natural C or PF?

Then same question for Towns.

[Klomp]

I’m saying this board seems to have a tough time acknowledging things as obvious as Towns’ natural position is CENTER. Wolves forum is in the gymnastics business. Love was a good defender and Towns is a natural PF are two of the odder things I’ve seen mods, of all people (or former mods), defend in the past 24 hours.

Of course Towns' natural position is C, I never said otherwise. You're twisting what I wrote. But in those lineups, the Cs would guard those guys while the PF would defend Towns.