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2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation - Free Agency Begins

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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation - Free Agency Begins 

Post#2221 » by Slim Charless » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:38 am

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Of course Ayton matters. He's just not going to be the primary reason we win or lose. That comes down to the stars and their careers will be judged on if they were able to win championships. The team is stacked, so we should be able to.


Team is not stacked. We're mediocre as far as our bench is concerned. We have a lot of "guys" of varying levels of ability. No idea whatsoever if they can play together and in Vogels's system. None of them will be winning or vying for 6MOTY next season. So, like I said: mediocre.

Fortunately for us mediocre is still a large step up from where we previously these past few seasons. You can make a case that we had the worse bench in the league this past season, especially after the KD trade. Having goofpotamus coach us did no one any favors obviously as well.

This is why I still think an Ayton trade is on the table for this team.
Coming from a guy who thinks Rui Hachimura is the gold standard for bench players lol. :reporter:


You're becoming senile in your old age or you're just drunk from too much time at crappy bars. Either way, I don't think I've ever touted the likes of Rui. Get your facts together and try again tomorrow Old Man.
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation - Free Agency Begins 

Post#2222 » by Mulhollanddrive » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:19 am

Pau Gasol and Kevin Love I remember were called soft for most of their careers and won 3 titles between them.

Can Ayton do the same, I think most of the solution is being in the right role now he's 4th option that's probably it.
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Post#2223 » by darmani » Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:44 pm

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This is why questioning how Beal, Booker, and KD will fit on O is so silly. Booker and KD are awesome playing off the ball.

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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation - Free Agency Begins 

Post#2224 » by SunsRback4Good » Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:12 pm

darmani wrote:
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darmani wrote:
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This is why questioning how Beal, Booker, and KD will fit on O is so silly. Booker and KD are awesome playing off the ball.

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How can they all play together when there's only one Bol?


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Post#2225 » by SunsRback4Good » Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:15 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Pau Gasol and Kevin Love I remember were called soft for most of their careers and won 3 titles between them.

Can Ayton do the same, I think most of the solution is being in the right role now he's 4th option that's probably it.


Ayton is way better than Gasol & Love. It’s just both of them played with arguable top 10 players of all time in Kobe and Lebron. Give Ayton a top 5-7 player in league with decent role players and watch him flourish.
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Re: 2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation - Free Agency Begins 

Post#2226 » by wheezy » Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:25 pm

darmani wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
darmani wrote:
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This is why questioning how Beal, Booker, and KD will fit on O is so silly. Booker and KD are awesome playing off the ball.

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How can they all play together when there's only one Bol?

He brought two Bols tho
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Post#2227 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:40 pm

SunsRback4Good wrote:Watching the Dbacks play they are the replica of next years Suns team. All Offense but no defense. Had a one run lead in the 9th and our 2.7 ERA closer game up 5 runs. Dbacks are 5th in offense & 20th in defense. Suns will be around 3-5th offensively but defensively around 12-14th which is middle of the pack unless they get another stud to focus on defense & can hit a few shots here and there.


I do find it very curious that we brought in a defense-oriented coach and loaded the roster with offensive talent. Are we gonna see more of that ugly iso ball we saw once Chris went down against the Nuggets? Will our defense be worse because no one can defend the point? Or will Kevin Young be able to get us moving on offense without a PG, while Vogel pushes our defense to a new level?

One thing is for sure. Our coaching staff do not have easy jobs!
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Post#2228 » by Jdiddy701 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:50 pm

Some of y’all have no idea how good Pau Gasol and Kevin Love were. There’s nothing right now that says DA will be better than either player.

Will he be when it’s all said and done? I really hope so. Y’all live way too much in the moment and quick to forget. Gasol and Love were PROBLEMS back in the day.


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Post#2229 » by enigmatics » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:23 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:Some of y’all have no idea how good Pau Gasol and Kevin Love were. There’s nothing right now that says DA will be better than either player.

Will he be when it’s all said and done? I really hope so. Y’all live way too much in the moment and quick to forget. Gasol and Love were PROBLEMS back in the day.


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Pau Gasol was a beast - Kobe or no Kobe. In fact he's what help put them back over the top after the Shaq era.

Ayton has never even seen that kind of play out of his own career for longer than a couple games in a row.
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Post#2230 » by Saberestar » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:26 pm

SunsRback4Good wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Pau Gasol and Kevin Love I remember were called soft for most of their careers and won 3 titles between them.

Can Ayton do the same, I think most of the solution is being in the right role now he's 4th option that's probably it.


Ayton is way better than Gasol & Love. It’s just both of them played with arguable top 10 players of all time in Kobe and Lebron. Give Ayton a top 5-7 player in league with decent role players and watch him flourish.

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Post#2231 » by bigfoot » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:44 pm

SunsRback4Good wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Pau Gasol and Kevin Love I remember were called soft for most of their careers and won 3 titles between them.

Can Ayton do the same, I think most of the solution is being in the right role now he's 4th option that's probably it.


Ayton is way better than Gasol & Love. It’s just both of them played with arguable top 10 players of all time in Kobe and Lebron. Give Ayton a top 5-7 player in league with decent role players and watch him flourish.


After reading this, I'm sure you think the earth is flat too.
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Post#2232 » by darealjuice » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:53 pm

Boy that Jaylen Brown contract is something.
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Post#2233 » by LV-Suns » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:58 pm

All of these terrible contracts handed out this summer makes Beal’s contract completely reasonable and Aytons contract a bargain. Good lord, this Jaylen Brown contract looks terrible for a guy who is barely top 30.
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Post#2234 » by Jdiddy701 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:04 pm

Yeah, no way is Jaylen Brown worth 61 million a year. I also don’t think the Celtics could have afforded to lose him so they really had no choice. Once he made an all NBA team, it was given he would have to be paid. Him and Tatum are young, they can figure it out together.


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Post#2235 » by Mulhollanddrive » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:37 pm

Jaylen Brown was 9 points less efficient than Sacramento last season.
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Post#2236 » by Kyler Murray » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:41 pm

SunsRback4Good wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Pau Gasol and Kevin Love I remember were called soft for most of their careers and won 3 titles between them.

Can Ayton do the same, I think most of the solution is being in the right role now he's 4th option that's probably it.


Ayton is way better than Gasol & Love. It’s just both of them played with arguable top 10 players of all time in Kobe and Lebron. Give Ayton a top 5-7 player in league with decent role players and watch him flourish.


You trippin, Pau is an all time great, he was arguably more impactful than kobe against the Celtics in the finals.
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Post#2237 » by enigmatics » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:09 pm

darealjuice wrote:Boy that Jaylen Brown contract is something.


To play basketball no less. The level of absurdity continues to reach new levels.

Good for them I guess.
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Post#2238 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:24 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
SunsRback4Good wrote:Watching the Dbacks play they are the replica of next years Suns team. All Offense but no defense. Had a one run lead in the 9th and our 2.7 ERA closer game up 5 runs. Dbacks are 5th in offense & 20th in defense. Suns will be around 3-5th offensively but defensively around 12-14th which is middle of the pack unless they get another stud to focus on defense & can hit a few shots here and there.


I do find it very curious that we brought in a defense-oriented coach and loaded the roster with offensive talent. Are we gonna see more of that ugly iso ball we saw once Chris went down against the Nuggets? Will our defense be worse because no one can defend the point? Or will Kevin Young be able to get us moving on offense without a PG, while Vogel pushes our defense to a new level?

One thing is for sure. Our coaching staff do not have easy jobs!


That's one thing...is it more important to have Okogie start to guard PGs? Or does that make it too hard for us to guard 3s. I think KD has the length to guard any 4s. With Book's improved D, is he more equipped to guard PG or SF?

I think it may come down to matchups. Maybe KBD starts when the opposing star is a SF/PF like with the Clips, Lakers, Celtics, etc. But if it's a 1 or 2, maybe Okogie starts.
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Post#2239 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:10 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
SunsRback4Good wrote:Watching the Dbacks play they are the replica of next years Suns team. All Offense but no defense. Had a one run lead in the 9th and our 2.7 ERA closer game up 5 runs. Dbacks are 5th in offense & 20th in defense. Suns will be around 3-5th offensively but defensively around 12-14th which is middle of the pack unless they get another stud to focus on defense & can hit a few shots here and there.


I do find it very curious that we brought in a defense-oriented coach and loaded the roster with offensive talent. Are we gonna see more of that ugly iso ball we saw once Chris went down against the Nuggets? Will our defense be worse because no one can defend the point? Or will Kevin Young be able to get us moving on offense without a PG, while Vogel pushes our defense to a new level?

One thing is for sure. Our coaching staff do not have easy jobs!


That's one thing...is it more important to have Okogie start to guard PGs? Or does that make it too hard for us to guard 3s. I think KD has the length to guard any 4s. With Book's improved D, is he more equipped to guard PG or SF?

I think it may come down to matchups. Maybe KBD starts when the opposing star is a SF/PF like with the Clips, Lakers, Celtics, etc. But if it's a 1 or 2, maybe Okogie starts.


I can't think of many good teams who changed their SL nightly, depending on the matchups. Typically they'll say if there's a mismatch, they have to guard us, too. But you're right that defense could matter more, given our firepower. OTOH, I'm worried about running an offense without a real PG.

Starting Okogie might be our best bet, because he can both guard PGs and rebound. But you also don't want opponents structuring their whole defense around leaving the one non-shooter open. Maybe if we start Okogie the whole year, he'll get enough reps that his shooting won't be that big of a concern by the time the playoffs roll around.

I worry about KD getting beat up at the 3. But then, maybe making him chase guys on the perimeter is the more salient concern, given how most of his injuries have occurred historically.

You'd think KBD might make the most sense as a 6th man, given that he can create his own offense. But then, we promised him a chance to compete for the starting gig. If that's true, we've gotta be thinking that Beal will guard PG.

No matter what we do, we'll be vulnerable to big 4s and quick 1s. The question in my mind is whether we can get enough ball movement in our offense to offset that, because I can't see us being so good defensively that a mediocre offense will cut it.
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