Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV

[jayu70]

You are more than welcome to cite statistics that say otherwise, but by most measures he is slightly above a net average.

how many guys can guard Jokic & Murray in the same game?

Can and do well are two different things. Many of the metric systems out there show him as a slightly above average defender.

It is apparent that you value Pascal a ton. The rest of the league does not. If they did, he would have been traded by now. Toronto wants to move him because they don't want to be in a situation where he is demanding 60+ a year for the supermax. Pascal wants to get paid in the end.

And like you mentioned previously, Siakam will get more of a 'Kyrie' return than some grand haul Raptor fans are expecting. I would be very surprised if Griffin is included in any such trade.

[wegotthabeet]

You are more than welcome to cite statistics that say otherwise, but by most measures he is slightly above a net average.

how many guys can guard Jokic & Murray in the same game?

Can and do well are two different things. Many of the metric systems out there show him as a slightly above average defender.

It is apparent that you value Pascal a ton. The rest of the league does not. If they did, he would have been traded by now. Toronto wants to move him because they don't want to be in a situation where he is demanding 60+ a year for the supermax. Pascal wants to get paid in the end.

alright well list the players you think are better wing defenders. based on metrics.

re: Pascal. there isn't actually any evidence they want to move him or OG for that matter. the fanbase thinks they should move him, but those are two different things. i think they'll re-sign him, but if he gets moved for it won't be for next to nothing. i hold him in regards to being a top 25 level player. i don't think that's really overrating him.

[wegotthabeet]

how many guys can guard Jokic & Murray in the same game?

Can and do well are two different things. Many of the metric systems out there show him as a slightly above average defender.

It is apparent that you value Pascal a ton. The rest of the league does not. If they did, he would have been traded by now. Toronto wants to move him because they don't want to be in a situation where he is demanding 60+ a year for the supermax. Pascal wants to get paid in the end.

And like you mentioned previously, Siakam will get more of a 'Kyrie' return than some grand haul Raptor fans are expecting. I would be very surprised if Griffin is included in any such trade.

Kyrie made a trade request 6 days before the trade deadline. + he comes with a lot baggage that would make most teams hesitant to re-sign him to a long term deal.

[jayu70]

Can and do well are two different things. Many of the metric systems out there show him as a slightly above average defender.

It is apparent that you value Pascal a ton. The rest of the league does not. If they did, he would have been traded by now. Toronto wants to move him because they don't want to be in a situation where he is demanding 60+ a year for the supermax. Pascal wants to get paid in the end.

And like you mentioned previously, Siakam will get more of a 'Kyrie' return than some grand haul Raptor fans are expecting. I would be very surprised if Griffin is included in any such trade.

Kyrie made a trade request 6 days before the trade deadline. + he comes with a lot baggage that would make most teams hesitant to re-sign him to a long term deal.

And Siakam is reluctant to sign an extension if traded per rumors, so no team is going to give up a Kings ransom.

[wegotthabeet]

And like you mentioned previously, Siakam will get more of a 'Kyrie' return than some grand haul Raptor fans are expecting. I would be very surprised if Griffin is included in any such trade.

Kyrie made a trade request 6 days before the trade deadline. + he comes with a lot baggage that would make most teams hesitant to re-sign him to a long term deal.

And Siakam is reluctant to sign an extension if traded per rumors, so no team is going to give up a Kings ransom.

i get that and i think that's fine with the Raptors FO. he wants to stay & get paid. i can't blame him.

[dms269]

Pascal is going to do what many of the stars are doing now, get his bag, then demand a trade once it is secure. He is aiming for that supermax and knows the only way he can get it is with Toronto. Toronto on the other hand is stuck in a situation where they do not want to give him that contract because it handicaps what their team can do in the future. They also, likely, don't want to give him a max deal as well for similar reasons...aka their team as currently constructed is not great. They either trade him for what the market dictates or they pay him what he wants. I disagree that they want to keep him on a max (or supermax) contract. If they did they wouldn't be "fielding offers". Most teams paying that amount of money to a 30-year old are in a better situation.

[jayu70]

Kyrie made a trade request 6 days before the trade deadline. + he comes with a lot baggage that would make most teams hesitant to re-sign him to a long term deal.

And Siakam is reluctant to sign an extension if traded per rumors, so no team is going to give up a Kings ransom.

i get that and i think that's fine with the Raptors FO. he wants to stay & get paid. i can't blame him.

But do the Raps front office want him that much and at that price....seems to be a no.
Wether the rumors are true it no, there is 'something' there.

[wegotthabeet]

And Siakam is reluctant to sign an extension if traded per rumors, so no team is going to give up a Kings ransom.

i get that and i think that's fine with the Raptors FO. he wants to stay & get paid. i can't blame him.

But do the Raps front office want him that much and at that price....seems to be a no.
Wether the rumors are true it no, there is 'something' there.

yeah that's fair. we'll see. probably a re-up then moved down the road.

[wegotthabeet]

Pascal is going to do what many of the stars are doing now, get his bag, then demand a trade once it is secure. He is aiming for that supermax and knows the only way he can get it is with Toronto. Toronto on the other hand is stuck in a situation where they do not want to give him that contract because it handicaps what their team can do in the future. They also, likely, don't want to give him a max deal as well for similar reasons...aka their team as currently constructed is not great. They either trade him for what the market dictates or they pay him what he wants. I disagree that they want to keep him on a max (or supermax) contract. If they did they wouldn't be "fielding offers". Most teams paying that amount of money to a 30-year old are in a better situation.

i agree, but usually they try to re-sign a player then move him later.

i think the better question is does he hold more value post re-signing? that's probably depends on his next deal.

[jayu70]

i get that and i think that's fine with the Raptors FO. he wants to stay & get paid. i can't blame him.

But do the Raps front office want him that much and at that price....seems to be a no.
Wether the rumors are true it no, there is 'something' there.

yeah that's fair. we'll see. probably a re-up then moved down the road.

What kind of re-up?
I know he may want to try for the Supermax but why hasn't Toronto offered a regular max as yet and have him decline it?

[jayu70]

Pascal is going to do what many of the stars are doing now, get his bag, then demand a trade once it is secure. He is aiming for that supermax and knows the only way he can get it is with Toronto. Toronto on the other hand is stuck in a situation where they do not want to give him that contract because it handicaps what their team can do in the future. They also, likely, don't want to give him a max deal as well for similar reasons...aka their team as currently constructed is not great. They either trade him for what the market dictates or they pay him what he wants. I disagree that they want to keep him on a max (or supermax) contract. If they did they wouldn't be "fielding offers". Most teams paying that amount of money to a 30-year old are in a better situation.

i agree, but usually they try to re-sign a player then move him later.

i think the better question is does he hold more value post re-signing? that's probably depends on his next deal.

Now here's the kicker, will Siakam be dictating which team(s) he wants to get traded to?

[wegotthabeet]

But do the Raps front office want him that much and at that price....seems to be a no.
Wether the rumors are true it no, there is 'something' there.

yeah that's fair. we'll see. probably a re-up then moved down the road.

What kind of re-up?
I know he may want to try for the Supermax but why hasn't Toronto offered a regular max as yet and have him decline it?

good question. i'm obviously not privy to that info. they should offer him a regular max if they haven't and if he declines it then that puts them in a compromising position. maybe both parties roll the dice. Siakam tries to get another All-NBA and therefore the supermax or he takes the extra year Toronto can offer him next summer. if re-signs for the Supermax then it looks like a very difficult contract to move with little value imo.

[Dude-niagara]

Pascal is going to do what many of the stars are doing now, get his bag, then demand a trade once it is secure. He is aiming for that supermax and knows the only way he can get it is with Toronto. Toronto on the other hand is stuck in a situation where they do not want to give him that contract because it handicaps what their team can do in the future. They also, likely, don't want to give him a max deal as well for similar reasons...aka their team as currently constructed is not great. They either trade him for what the market dictates or they pay him what he wants. I disagree that they want to keep him on a max (or supermax) contract. If they did they wouldn't be "fielding offers". Most teams paying that amount of money to a 30-year old are in a better situation.

Siakam is going to get traded before the season, he knows it and it is the reason why he has been doing these daily goofy videos of himself begging for Raptor fan attention . The Raptors are never giving him a Supermax when that extension begins the season he turns 31.

I believe the Hawks and Raptors will make a deal after August 5 that will include Griffin/Hunter/Bufkin and 2 picks. He is an all NBA wing player that makes the Hawks a contender in the weak East. As for not signing extension, Siakam is just trying to block teams from trading for him because he wants to stay in Toronto and shoot for a Supermax. Once he is traded he will sign, this was the same guy that was worried about getting into a car accident on his way to sign his first extension. You think he is going to risk that once Supermax is gone?

As for the Raptors, just look at the new HC we hired, not one word about his best player Siakam and always talking about Barnes and playing through him. Teams do not make their best player available for trade if he was seriously part of their future. The whole offseason has been about trading Siakm. Don't compare toxic lrving with Siakam

[Dude-niagara]

yeah that's fair. we'll see. probably a re-up then moved down the road.

What kind of re-up?
I know he may want to try for the Supermax but why hasn't Toronto offered a regular max as yet and have him decline it?

good question. i'm obviously not privy to that info. they should offer him a regular max if they haven't and if he declines it then that puts them in a compromising position. maybe both parties roll the dice. Siakam tries to get another All-NBA and therefore the supermax or he takes the extra year Toronto can offer him next summer. if re-signs for the Supermax then it looks like a very difficult contract to move with little value imo.

Masai gets fired if he signs Siakam to a Supermax, don't compare the Celtics . Brown is 2.5 years younger

[dms269]

Pascal is going to do what many of the stars are doing now, get his bag, then demand a trade once it is secure. He is aiming for that supermax and knows the only way he can get it is with Toronto. Toronto on the other hand is stuck in a situation where they do not want to give him that contract because it handicaps what their team can do in the future. They also, likely, don't want to give him a max deal as well for similar reasons...aka their team as currently constructed is not great. They either trade him for what the market dictates or they pay him what he wants. I disagree that they want to keep him on a max (or supermax) contract. If they did they wouldn't be "fielding offers". Most teams paying that amount of money to a 30-year old are in a better situation.

Siakam is going to get traded before the season, he knows it and it is the reason why he has been doing these daily goofy videos of himself begging for Raptor fan attention . The Raptors are never giving him a Supermax when that extension begins the season he turns 31.

I believe the Hawks and Raptors will make a deal after August 5 that will include Griffin/Hunter/Bufkin and 2 picks. He is an all NBA wing player that makes the Hawks a contender in the weak East. As for not signing extension, Siakam is just trying to block teams from trading for him because he wants to stay in Toronto and shoot for a Supermax. Once he is traded he will sign, this was the same guy that was worried about getting into a car accident on his way to sign his first extension. You think he is going to risk that once Supermax is gone?

As for the Raptors, just look at the new HC we hired, not one word about his best player Siakam and always talking about Barnes and playing through him. Teams do not make their best player available for trade if he was seriously part of their future. The whole offseason has been about trading Siakm. Don't compare toxic lrving with Siakam

If Fields trades a solid young wing in Hunter, a very talented one in Griffin, a recent mid-first in Buffin and 2 firsts for an expiring Siakam, he should be fired. That is an insane amount to give up for him. Kyrie went for 2 solid players and a first. That is likely what his worth is.

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[Dude-niagara]

Pascal is going to do what many of the stars are doing now, get his bag, then demand a trade once it is secure. He is aiming for that supermax and knows the only way he can get it is with Toronto. Toronto on the other hand is stuck in a situation where they do not want to give him that contract because it handicaps what their team can do in the future. They also, likely, don't want to give him a max deal as well for similar reasons...aka their team as currently constructed is not great. They either trade him for what the market dictates or they pay him what he wants. I disagree that they want to keep him on a max (or supermax) contract. If they did they wouldn't be "fielding offers". Most teams paying that amount of money to a 30-year old are in a better situation.

Siakam is going to get traded before the season, he knows it and it is the reason why he has been doing these daily goofy videos of himself begging for Raptor fan attention . The Raptors are never giving him a Supermax when that extension begins the season he turns 31.

I believe the Hawks and Raptors will make a deal after August 5 that will include Griffin/Hunter/Bufkin and 2 picks. He is an all NBA wing player that makes the Hawks a contender in the weak East. As for not signing extension, Siakam is just trying to block teams from trading for him because he wants to stay in Toronto and shoot for a Supermax. Once he is traded he will sign, this was the same guy that was worried about getting into a car accident on his way to sign his first extension. You think he is going to risk that once Supermax is gone?

As for the Raptors, just look at the new HC we hired, not one word about his best player Siakam and always talking about Barnes and playing through him. Teams do not make their best player available for trade if he was seriously part of their future. The whole offseason has been about trading Siakm. Don't compare toxic lrving with Siakam

If Fields trades a solid young wing in Hunter, a very talented one in Griffin, a recent mid-first in Buffin and 2 firsts for an expiring Siakam, he should be fired. That is an insane amount to give up for him. Kyrie went for 2 solid players and a first. That is likely what his worth is.

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Nope, Bufkin/Griifin/Hunter and maybe only one first and second .

[dms269]

Siakam is going to get traded before the season, he knows it and it is the reason why he has been doing these daily goofy videos of himself begging for Raptor fan attention . The Raptors are never giving him a Supermax when that extension begins the season he turns 31.

I believe the Hawks and Raptors will make a deal after August 5 that will include Griffin/Hunter/Bufkin and 2 picks. He is an all NBA wing player that makes the Hawks a contender in the weak East. As for not signing extension, Siakam is just trying to block teams from trading for him because he wants to stay in Toronto and shoot for a Supermax. Once he is traded he will sign, this was the same guy that was worried about getting into a car accident on his way to sign his first extension. You think he is going to risk that once Supermax is gone?

As for the Raptors, just look at the new HC we hired, not one word about his best player Siakam and always talking about Barnes and playing through him. Teams do not make their best player available for trade if he was seriously part of their future. The whole offseason has been about trading Siakm. Don't compare toxic lrving with Siakam

If Fields trades a solid young wing in Hunter, a very talented one in Griffin, a recent mid-first in Buffin and 2 firsts for an expiring Siakam, he should be fired. That is an insane amount to give up for him. Kyrie went for 2 solid players and a first. That is likely what his worth is.

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Nope, Bufkin/Griifin/Hunter and maybe only one first and second .

When was the last time an expiring players was traded for a haul like that?

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[wegotthabeet]

Pascal is going to do what many of the stars are doing now, get his bag, then demand a trade once it is secure. He is aiming for that supermax and knows the only way he can get it is with Toronto. Toronto on the other hand is stuck in a situation where they do not want to give him that contract because it handicaps what their team can do in the future. They also, likely, don't want to give him a max deal as well for similar reasons...aka their team as currently constructed is not great. They either trade him for what the market dictates or they pay him what he wants. I disagree that they want to keep him on a max (or supermax) contract. If they did they wouldn't be "fielding offers". Most teams paying that amount of money to a 30-year old are in a better situation.

Siakam is going to get traded before the season, he knows it and it is the reason why he has been doing these daily goofy videos of himself begging for Raptor fan attention . The Raptors are never giving him a Supermax when that extension begins the season he turns 31.

I believe the Hawks and Raptors will make a deal after August 5 that will include Griffin/Hunter/Bufkin and 2 picks. He is an all NBA wing player that makes the Hawks a contender in the weak East. As for not signing extension, Siakam is just trying to block teams from trading for him because he wants to stay in Toronto and shoot for a Supermax. Once he is traded he will sign, this was the same guy that was worried about getting into a car accident on his way to sign his first extension. You think he is going to risk that once Supermax is gone?

As for the Raptors, just look at the new HC we hired, not one word about his best player Siakam and always talking about Barnes and playing through him. Teams do not make their best player available for trade if he was seriously part of their future. The whole offseason has been about trading Siakm. Don't compare toxic lrving with Siakam

If Fields trades a solid young wing in Hunter, a very talented one in Griffin, a recent mid-first in Buffin and 2 firsts for an expiring Siakam, he should be fired. That is an insane amount to give up for him. Kyrie went for 2 solid players and a first. That is likely what his worth is.

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when was the last time a star player on an expiring contract with injury issues and mental health issues demanded a trade less than a week before the trade deadline?

[jayu70]

Pascal is going to do what many of the stars are doing now, get his bag, then demand a trade once it is secure. He is aiming for that supermax and knows the only way he can get it is with Toronto. Toronto on the other hand is stuck in a situation where they do not want to give him that contract because it handicaps what their team can do in the future. They also, likely, don't want to give him a max deal as well for similar reasons...aka their team as currently constructed is not great. They either trade him for what the market dictates or they pay him what he wants. I disagree that they want to keep him on a max (or supermax) contract. If they did they wouldn't be "fielding offers". Most teams paying that amount of money to a 30-year old are in a better situation.

I believe the Hawks and Raptors will make a deal after August 5 that will include Griffin/Hunter/Bufkin and 2 picks. He is an all NBA wing player that makes the Hawks a contender in the weak East. As for not signing extension, Siakam is just trying to block teams from trading for him because he wants to stay in Toronto and shoot for a Supermax. . The whole offseason has been about trading Siakm. Don't compare toxic lrving with Siakam

Holy overpay Batman. Siakam is expiring and seeking a max contract. Wether true or not, he's already put it out there he's not interested in an extension so that has to be considered in his valuation. Even if he agrees now, he can't sign an extension immediately after the trade, he has to wait 6 months. So there is still a chance no matter how small that he can walk in FAcy and again has to be factored in the valuation. Very doubtful Griffin is included.

[hawks_fan25]

Pascal is going to do what many of the stars are doing now, get his bag, then demand a trade once it is secure. He is aiming for that supermax and knows the only way he can get it is with Toronto. Toronto on the other hand is stuck in a situation where they do not want to give him that contract because it handicaps what their team can do in the future. They also, likely, don't want to give him a max deal as well for similar reasons...aka their team as currently constructed is not great. They either trade him for what the market dictates or they pay him what he wants. I disagree that they want to keep him on a max (or supermax) contract. If they did they wouldn't be "fielding offers". Most teams paying that amount of money to a 30-year old are in a better situation.

I believe the Hawks and Raptors will make a deal after August 5 that will include Griffin/Hunter/Bufkin and 2 picks. He is an all NBA wing player that makes the Hawks a contender in the weak East. As for not signing extension, Siakam is just trying to block teams from trading for him because he wants to stay in Toronto and shoot for a Supermax. . The whole offseason has been about trading Siakm. Don't compare toxic lrving with Siakam

Holy overpay Batman. Siakam is expiring and seeking a max contract. Wether true or not, he's already put it out there he's not interested in an extension so that has to be considered in his valuation. Even if he agrees now, he can't sign an extension immediately after the trade, he has to wait 6 months. So there is still a chance no matter how small that he can walk in FAcy and again has to be factored in the valuation. Very doubtful Griffin is included.

Yeah.. I'm still maxed at Hunter+CC+Sac FRP and let Dallas and Toronto figure out the rest. It doesn't seem like this is likely to happen, so I've moved on. I'm still hoping something big happens and we also use the MLE to add, but I just don't see a lot of game-changing options out there still to sign.