The Jett Howard Thread

thelead · Post #461 » by **thelead** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:01 pm

Knightro wrote:
thelead wrote:Shades of Booker IMO:

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You mean Trevor Booker?

-_-

Don’t be a hater. You would have said something similar about Booker in the summer of 2015 when he was picked 13.

magickingdom · Post #462 » by **magickingdom** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 12:46 am

Did someone just take the Franz thread from his summer league and change the name from Franz to Jett? Because I remember a lot of the same conversations and we now see how Franz is turning out. So give it a break and let’s just wait and see what the management saw. They did ok with Franz, didn’t they? And a lot of you thought he wasn’t going to be that good either. I think Jett is going to be good for the team.

Skin · Post #463 » by **Skin** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:03 am

thelead wrote:
Skin wrote:
thelead wrote:Shades of Booker IMO:

Watch on YouTube

The sooner he starts over Suggs, the better the Magic will be.

Meh. I like them both. I’m a big fan of what Suggs brings to the table. If the dude shoots 36-38% from deep this year, you’ll be changing your tune. Patience man.

YOU MUST CHOOSE!

haha, Suggs won't do that, but it would be damn nice if he did.

thelead · Post #464 » by **thelead** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:31 am

Skin wrote:
thelead wrote:
Skin wrote:The sooner he starts over Suggs, the better the Magic will be.

Meh. I like them both. I’m a big fan of what Suggs brings to the table. If the dude shoots 36-38% from deep this year, you’ll be changing your tune. Patience man.

YOU MUST CHOOSE!

haha, Suggs won't do that, but it would be damn nice if he did.

You do realize Suggs shot 33% from deep last year right? A 3% improvement for a 22 year old isn’t improbable. Cole Anthony made a pretty huge jump in his 3rd year. It does happen.

CarraT · Post #465 » by **CarraT** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:52 am

thelead wrote:
Skin wrote:
thelead wrote:Meh. I like them both. I’m a big fan of what Suggs brings to the table. If the dude shoots 36-38% from deep this year, you’ll be changing your tune. Patience man.

YOU MUST CHOOSE!

haha, Suggs won't do that, but it would be damn nice if he did.

You do realize Suggs shot 33% from deep last year right? A 3% improvement for a 22 year old isn’t improbable. Cole Anthony made a pretty huge jump in his 3rd year. It does happen.

Suggs also was >40% on corner 3s last season. His form looks good, too. I definitely believe more in him becoming a plus shooter than in Fultz/Black becoming average shooters.

drsd · Post #466 » by **drsd** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:53 am

thelead wrote:You do realize Suggs shot 33% from deep last year right? A 3% improvement for a 22 year old isn’t improbable. Cole Anthony made a pretty huge jump in his 3rd year. It does happen.

His splits are interesting.

.390 at home and .265 on the road. Nearly identical attempts.

.370 in 1st quarter, .340 in 2nd, .341 in 3rd, and most informative, .259 in the 4th.

He had a terrible November (.271) and December (.235), but finished strong with an April of .462

Suggs fundamental problem is that his eFG% is still not acceptable. Not only is his 3-pt. percentage not high enough, his FT rate is appallingly bad at 2.2 FTA per game.

For Suggs to be the future of the Magic at starting off-guard, he needs to fix a lot more of his offensive game than just distance shooting.

As this is the Howard thread: it is interesting that in time, as this team is constructed, either Suggs or Howard will be the starting SG in the 2024/25 season. Those two will be in direct competition for playing time next season.

This season, Howard should spend ALL HIS TIME learning defense from Suggs in the practice gym. There is no better use of Howard's time in the 2023/24 season. Suggs will be an educator in how-to watch game film, and all the intellectual stuff that comes from defense.

fendilim · Post #467 » by **fendilim** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:30 pm

drsd wrote:
thelead wrote:You do realize Suggs shot 33% from deep last year right? A 3% improvement for a 22 year old isn’t improbable. Cole Anthony made a pretty huge jump in his 3rd year. It does happen.

His splits are interesting.

.390 at home and .265 on the road. Nearly identical attempts.

.370 in 1st quarter, .340 in 2nd, .341 in 3rd, and most informative, .259 in the 4th.

He had a terrible November (.271) and December (.235), but finished strong with an April of .462

Suggs fundamental problem is that his eFG% is still not acceptable. Not only is his 3-pt. percentage not high enough, his FT rate is appallingly bad at 2.2 FTA per game.

For Suggs to be the future of the Magic at starting off-guard, he needs to fix a lot more of his offensive game than just distance shooting.

As this is the Howard thread: it is interesting that in time, as this team is constructed, either Suggs or Howard will be the starting SG in the 2024/25 season. Those two will be in direct competition for playing time next season.

This season, Howard should spend ALL HIS TIME learning defense from Suggs in the practice gym. There is no better use of Howard's time in the 2023/24 season. Suggs will be an educator in how-to watch game film, and all the intellectual stuff that comes from defense.

The starting position is for Suggs to lose. I like what he beings to the table, but if he doesn’t develop into a solid shooter this year, the starting spot will be over for him.

Jett actually did pretty well defensively last year for Michigan,

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=iLAy6FEi9caa6E4C9teZYQ

Jett was a good defender on almost all categories:
Spotup
Handoff
Offscreen
Iso

The only average he was below average is in pick and rolls.

He was also regarded as a solid defender coming out of high school.

https://247sports.com/player/jett-howard-46077028/

Jett Howard's combination of size, shooting, and versatility is translatable. He has a strong frame, a solid motor on the defensive end,

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-michigans-jett-howard#gid=ci02aa5a7b30002552&pid=usatsi_19411380
Outside of his shot, Howard is most known for defensive upside. He's great at the point of attack and is also good at navigating the pick-and-roll.

Getting less featured on offense, might allow him to exert more effort on defense. I don’t think he’ll be a lockdown defender like Suggs, but I think he can be solid.

Residual-Heat · Post #468 » by **Residual-Heat** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:09 pm

drsd wrote:
thelead wrote:You do realize Suggs shot 33% from deep last year right? A 3% improvement for a 22 year old isn’t improbable. Cole Anthony made a pretty huge jump in his 3rd year. It does happen.

His splits are interesting.

.390 at home and .265 on the road. Nearly identical attempts.

.370 in 1st quarter, .340 in 2nd, .341 in 3rd, and most informative, .259 in the 4th.

He had a terrible November (.271) and December (.235), but finished strong with an April of .462

Suggs fundamental problem is that his eFG% is still not acceptable. Not only is his 3-pt. percentage not high enough, his FT rate is appallingly bad at 2.2 FTA per game.

For Suggs to be the future of the Magic at starting off-guard, he needs to fix a lot more of his offensive game than just distance shooting.

As this is the Howard thread: it is interesting that in time, as this team is constructed, either Suggs or Howard will be the starting SG in the 2024/25 season. Those two will be in direct competition for playing time next season.

This season, Howard should spend ALL HIS TIME learning defense from Suggs in the practice gym. There is no better use of Howard's time in the 2023/24 season. Suggs will be an educator in how-to watch game film, and all the intellectual stuff that comes from defense.

Thats largely cause he has a high 3pt attempt rate. Almost half his shots are from 3pt land.

yoyojw17 · Post #469 » by **yoyojw17** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 3:22 pm

fendilim wrote:
drsd wrote:
thelead wrote:You do realize Suggs shot 33% from deep last year right? A 3% improvement for a 22 year old isn’t improbable. Cole Anthony made a pretty huge jump in his 3rd year. It does happen.

His splits are interesting.

.390 at home and .265 on the road. Nearly identical attempts.

.370 in 1st quarter, .340 in 2nd, .341 in 3rd, and most informative, .259 in the 4th.

He had a terrible November (.271) and December (.235), but finished strong with an April of .462

Suggs fundamental problem is that his eFG% is still not acceptable. Not only is his 3-pt. percentage not high enough, his FT rate is appallingly bad at 2.2 FTA per game.

For Suggs to be the future of the Magic at starting off-guard, he needs to fix a lot more of his offensive game than just distance shooting.

As this is the Howard thread: it is interesting that in time, as this team is constructed, either Suggs or Howard will be the starting SG in the 2024/25 season. Those two will be in direct competition for playing time next season.

This season, Howard should spend ALL HIS TIME learning defense from Suggs in the practice gym. There is no better use of Howard's time in the 2023/24 season. Suggs will be an educator in how-to watch game film, and all the intellectual stuff that comes from defense.

The starting position is for Suggs to lose. I like what he beings to the table, but if he doesn’t develop into a solid shooter this year, the starting spot will be over for him.

Jett actually did pretty well defensively last year for Michigan,

Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=iLAy6FEi9caa6E4C9teZYQ

Jett was a good defender on almost all categories:
Spotup
Handoff
Offscreen
Iso

The only average he was below average is in pick and rolls.

He was also regarded as a solid defender coming out of high school.
https://247sports.com/player/jett-howard-46077028/

Jett Howard's combination of size, shooting, and versatility is translatable. He has a strong frame, a solid motor on the defensive end,

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-michigans-jett-howard#gid=ci02aa5a7b30002552&pid=usatsi_19411380
Outside of his shot, Howard is most known for defensive upside. He's great at the point of attack and is also good at navigating the pick-and-roll.

Getting less featured on offense, might allow him to exert more effort on defense. I don’t think he’ll be a lockdown defender like Suggs, but I think he can be solid.

Really good post to see! I remember looking at the summer league games and wondering... "His defense isn't as bad as people made it seem"

and i loved that he affected the game in many other ways... passing included. There is definitely more than meets the eye with him. And remember.... he was dealing with injuries during the season. Yeah... i really found it interesting that he was being touted for his defense when coming out of college... and in college matured his offensive game that much more. If he balances it all out... yup... I love the pick even that much more!

fendilim · Post #470 » by **fendilim** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 4:06 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
fendilim wrote:
drsd wrote:
His splits are interesting.

.390 at home and .265 on the road. Nearly identical attempts.

.370 in 1st quarter, .340 in 2nd, .341 in 3rd, and most informative, .259 in the 4th.

He had a terrible November (.271) and December (.235), but finished strong with an April of .462

Suggs fundamental problem is that his eFG% is still not acceptable. Not only is his 3-pt. percentage not high enough, his FT rate is appallingly bad at 2.2 FTA per game.

For Suggs to be the future of the Magic at starting off-guard, he needs to fix a lot more of his offensive game than just distance shooting.

As this is the Howard thread: it is interesting that in time, as this team is constructed, either Suggs or Howard will be the starting SG in the 2024/25 season. Those two will be in direct competition for playing time next season.

This season, Howard should spend ALL HIS TIME learning defense from Suggs in the practice gym. There is no better use of Howard's time in the 2023/24 season. Suggs will be an educator in how-to watch game film, and all the intellectual stuff that comes from defense.

The starting position is for Suggs to lose. I like what he beings to the table, but if he doesn’t develop into a solid shooter this year, the starting spot will be over for him.

Jett actually did pretty well defensively last year for Michigan,

Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=iLAy6FEi9caa6E4C9teZYQ

Jett was a good defender on almost all categories:
Spotup
Handoff
Offscreen
Iso

The only average he was below average is in pick and rolls.

He was also regarded as a solid defender coming out of high school.
https://247sports.com/player/jett-howard-46077028/

Jett Howard's combination of size, shooting, and versatility is translatable. He has a strong frame, a solid motor on the defensive end,

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-michigans-jett-howard#gid=ci02aa5a7b30002552&pid=usatsi_19411380
Outside of his shot, Howard is most known for defensive upside. He's great at the point of attack and is also good at navigating the pick-and-roll.

Getting less featured on offense, might allow him to exert more effort on defense. I don’t think he’ll be a lockdown defender like Suggs, but I think he can be solid.

Really good post to see! I remember looking at the summer league games and wondering... "His defense isn't as bad as people made it seem"

and i loved that he affected the game in many other ways... passing included. There is definitely more than meets the eye with him. And remember.... he was dealing with injuries during the season. Yeah... i really found it interesting that he was being touted for his defense when coming out of college... and in college matured his offensive game that much more. If he balances it all out... yup... I love the pick even that much more!

He has more of a complete game than Hawkins and Grady.

I think the surprise/shock came from because he wasnt projected to be in the range. But if talent alone, I think he is worth picking in the lottery

yoyojw17 · Post #471 » by **yoyojw17** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 4:34 pm

fendilim wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
fendilim wrote:The starting position is for Suggs to lose. I like what he beings to the table, but if he doesn’t develop into a solid shooter this year, the starting spot will be over for him.

Jett actually did pretty well defensively last year for Michigan,

Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=iLAy6FEi9caa6E4C9teZYQ

Jett was a good defender on almost all categories:
Spotup
Handoff
Offscreen
Iso

The only average he was below average is in pick and rolls.

He was also regarded as a solid defender coming out of high school.

Getting less featured on offense, might allow him to exert more effort on defense. I don’t think he’ll be a lockdown defender like Suggs, but I think he can be solid.

Really good post to see! I remember looking at the summer league games and wondering... "His defense isn't as bad as people made it seem"

and i loved that he affected the game in many other ways... passing included. There is definitely more than meets the eye with him. And remember.... he was dealing with injuries during the season. Yeah... i really found it interesting that he was being touted for his defense when coming out of college... and in college matured his offensive game that much more. If he balances it all out... yup... I love the pick even that much more!

He has more of a complete game than Hawkins and Grady.

I think the surprise/shock came from because he wasnt projected to be in the range. But if talent alone, I think he is worth picking in the lottery

100

And not as much research was invested into him because of that. Everything was taken by face value and general consensus. He's another Franz-ish type player. Seem like he already has a great baseline of talents... All of which he can build up on for the future. Shoot ... Might look back at him in the next couple years and go.... "Man.... Happy this guy fell to us"

pepe1991 · Post #472 » by **pepe1991** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 7:44 pm

Don't fool yourself, Jett Howard was constant target on defensive side at college because he has very limited latheral quickness & lacks elite athletics & lenght to cover up.

Franz was never exploited on defense in ways Jett was at college. And nobody in right mind will come to conlcusion Franz is "elite" defender, he is average one.

And it's not like anybody questions his desire to defend, it's simply him being below average athlete that was on display even at college. Now NBA players are x50 times faster , more atlhetic and there is more space to guard.

Okeke was "great" defender with limited athletics at college, than he went to NBA and he looks like poop because his latheral quickness simply doesn't allow him to stick against people who make adventage over him in matter of 2 steps.
Being SF in nba means that on "easy" night you have some Kyle Kuzma who averages 20 ppg to cover. It's easly the most stacked position in basketball , talent vise.

And i don't know what's there to evalauate in SL, we brought most pathetic team of SL out there, we were getting blown up, it was pathetic open practice that i'm trying to forget happend.

fendilim · Post #473 » by **fendilim** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 1:15 am

pepe1991 wrote:Don't fool yourself, Jett Howard was constant target on defensive side at college because he has very limited latheral quickness & lacks elite athletics & lenght to cover up.

Franz was never exploited on defense in ways Jett was at college. And nobody in right mind will come to conlcusion Franz is "elite" defender, he is average one.

And it's not like anybody questions his desire to defend, it's simply him being below average athlete that was on display even at college. Now NBA players are x50 times faster , more atlhetic and there is more space to guard.

Okeke was "great" defender with limited athletics at college, than he went to NBA and he looks like poop because his latheral quickness simply doesn't allow him to stick against people who make adventage over him in matter of 2 steps.
Being SF in nba means that on "easy" night you have some Kyle Kuzma who averages 20 ppg to cover. It's easly the most stacked position in basketball , talent vise.

And i don't know what's there to evalauate in SL, we brought most pathetic team of SL out there, we were getting blown up, it was pathetic open practice that i'm trying to forget happend.

These numbers look even more impressive then…

Read on Twitter

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Who said he is an elite defender?

BadMofoPimp · Post #474 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 1:40 am

The question is Jett more like Franz or more like Andrew Nicholson. I say Nicholson.

Post #475 » by **SOUL** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 1:43 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:The question is Jett more like Franz or more like Andrew Nicholson. I say Nicholson.

In terms of what? All 3 are different players lol

BadMofoPimp · Post #476 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 1:50 am

SOUL wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:The question is Jett more like Franz or more like Andrew Nicholson. I say Nicholson.

In terms of what? All 3 are different players lol

Jett is a defensive black hole but solid on offense just like Nicholson.

Post #477 » by **SOUL** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 1:55 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:Jett is a defensive black hole but solid on offense just like Nicholson.

He looked okay in summer league. I think working with the guys we have he won't get abused.

The fact that he can shoot and make threes at a presumably solid clip already provides way more than someone like Nicholson who thrived only inside.

pepe1991 · Post #478 » by **pepe1991** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 5:56 am

fendilim wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Don't fool yourself, Jett Howard was constant target on defensive side at college because he has very limited latheral quickness & lacks elite athletics & lenght to cover up.

Franz was never exploited on defense in ways Jett was at college. And nobody in right mind will come to conlcusion Franz is "elite" defender, he is average one.

And it's not like anybody questions his desire to defend, it's simply him being below average athlete that was on display even at college. Now NBA players are x50 times faster , more atlhetic and there is more space to guard.

Okeke was "great" defender with limited athletics at college, than he went to NBA and he looks like poop because his latheral quickness simply doesn't allow him to stick against people who make adventage over him in matter of 2 steps.
Being SF in nba means that on "easy" night you have some Kyle Kuzma who averages 20 ppg to cover. It's easly the most stacked position in basketball , talent vise.

And i don't know what's there to evalauate in SL, we brought most pathetic team of SL out there, we were getting blown up, it was pathetic open practice that i'm trying to forget happend.

These numbers look even more impressive then…

Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=iLAy6FEi9caa6E4C9teZYQ

Who said he is an elite defender?

He literally struggles to defend narrow space and poorly spaced college hoops and will now play against faster, bigger,stronger athletes regardless of is he playing SG or SF.

drsd · Post #479 » by **drsd** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 10:28 am

magickingdom wrote:Did someone just take the Franz thread from his summer league and change the name from Franz to Jett? Because I remember a lot of the same conversations and we now see how Franz is turning out. So give it a break and let’s just wait and see what the management saw. They did ok with Franz, didn’t they? And a lot of you thought he wasn’t going to be that good either. I think Jett is going to be good for the team.

And-1

Orlando needs a tall, shooting SG. One that has all the heart and effort to play team defense.

Frankly at this point, I think Howard is more likely to be a regular starter for Orlando by 2024/25 than Black. WIll Howard be a start in the NBA? Almost certainly not. Can he be projected as a VORP = 1.5 , PER > 15 player. Sure thing.

Be better than the player your guarding. As the league moved from scoring being at the 2 to the 1, Howard will not be expected to provide elite defense. He will be expected to play team defense and play with heart.

I still like Dick over Howard, but Jett does have clear mental maturity that will help him be a team guy for a long, long time.

jezzerinho · Post #480 » by **jezzerinho** » Wed Aug 2, 2023 10:42 am

I wasnt a Howard fan going into the draft. He wasnt even in my top 20, iirc.

But now knowing that both his ankles were bothering him and that defense was actually his calling card in IMG, I'm going to wipe the slate clean, sit back and just see what we have in him.

I have my misgivings, but I've also been a bit surprised by some of his IMG stuff, so I'm going to stay agnostic on the kid till we see more from the fully fit version.