Official 2023 Wizards OFFSEASON Thread

[nate33]

Would forsure offer a 2nd round pick for Garuba.

I might give up one of our crappy late 2RP's, like maybe the one from Phoenix in 2024, but I wouldn't give up a good one when the likelihood is that OKC is going to dump him anyhow.

MoneyTalks41890, a Trade Board moderator and OKC fan seems to think that Garuba and Ty Ty are likely to be the ones released.

I'd definitely like to acquire Garuba though. He is still highly foul prone and doesn't have great touch around the rim, but he has amazingly quick feet for his size and he'll hit the 3-ball if you leave him open. He fits the mold of the guy I envision backing up Gafford - a stout, long-armed, switchable defender who can play something other than drop coverage.

One thing worth noting: because OKC just acquired Garuba 2 weeks ago, there's no reason to think our management's ties with OKC will give them any particular insight on Garuba as a prospect.

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I’d be shocked if OKC let Isaiah Joe go. He was one of the best young players in the league and played 1400 minutes last year.

SGA and Holmgren are the only more valuable pieces than Joe on the roster.

Oh I agree entirely, Nat: Isaiah Joe had an outstanding season.

But... go take a look at https://www.spotrac.com/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/cap/ & tell me how they get down from 20 to 15.

Neither Wiggins nor Joe is one of the 18 with guaranteed contracts.

They signed two of those 18, Micic & Jack White (two new players who've never played in the NBA before), to multi-year guaranteed deals within the last week! Let's assume that they didn't sign them this week to cut them next week.

Of course, they could simply cut Davis Bertans, Victor Oladipo, Kenrich Williams, TyTy Washington & Jaylin (not Jalen) Williams -- write checks for $55m, & the problem is behind them: they get to keep Isaiah Joe.

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Would forsure offer a 2nd round pick for Garuba.

I might give up one of our crappy late 2RP's, like maybe the one from Phoenix in 2024, but I wouldn't give up a good one when the likelihood is that OKC is going to dump him anyhow.

MoneyTalks41890, a Trade Board moderator and OKC fan seems to think that Garuba and Ty Ty are likely to be the ones released.

I'd definitely like to acquire Garuba though. He is still highly foul prone and doesn't have great touch around the rim, but he has amazingly quick feet for his size and he'll hit the 3-ball if you leave him open. He fits the mold of the guy I envision backing up Gafford - a stout, long-armed, switchable defender who can play something other than drop coverage.

One thing worth noting: because OKC just acquired Garuba 2 weeks ago, there's no reason to think our management's ties with OKC will give them any particular insight on Garuba as a prospect.

If OKC releases Garuba, it's hard to imagine all 7 of the teams in front of us in waiver order would pass on him.
Not to mention that they need to get down from 18 (19 if they pick up Joe's option, 20 if they pick up Wiggins' option -- & they'd be nuts not to pick up both!).

Releasing Garuba & TyTy won't get them there. Plus, as you point out, they acquired both these guys only 2 weeks ago -- for Patty Mills, whom they'd acquired the previous day from Brooklyn! For future draft considerations.

In short, 2 weeks ago OKC had 16 guys, 14 guaranteed & 2 non-guaranteed.
Whereupon they proceeded to add 4 more players (Micic, White, Garuba & Washington)!

They cannot have done this in order to turn around & release the guys they just traded for. That makes no sense at all. There's something behind all this -- but what?

I'm hoping it's a deal with their old friend Will Dawkins.

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Of course, they could simply cut Davis Bertans, Victor Oladipo, Kenrich Williams, TyTy Washington & Jaylin (not Jalen) Williams

I'd snap up Jaylin WIlliams in an instant. 6'10" center who shoots 40% from 3 and does this:

Watch on YouTube

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Per 36 numbers of 11pts/10r/1steal/3asts

He's like the flipside of Gafford. Floor bound, no interior game, okay positional perimeter coverage, defends with positioning not jumping at pump fakes. I'd take a forced charge over a block any time. Tags the opponent with a cheap foul, turns the ball over automatically, and frustrates opponents, takes them out of their game whining at the refs.

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Of course, they could simply cut Davis Bertans, Victor Oladipo, Kenrich Williams, TyTy Washington & Jaylin (not Jalen) Williams

I'd snap up Jaylin WIlliams in an instant. 6'10" center who shoots 40% from 3 and does this:

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=LeagueHim

Per 36 numbers of 11pts/10r/1steal/3asts

He's like the flipside of Gafford. Floor bound, no interior game, okay positional perimeter coverage, defends with positioning not jumping at pump fakes. I'd take a forced charge over a block any time. Tags the opponent with a cheap foul, turns the ball over automatically, and frustrates opponents, takes them out of their game whining at the refs.

Terry Davis. Memorable for having an accountant's name and being the greatest ever at drawing charges. He did his best for a few years with us.

I'm glad we have part of the OKC braintrust in DC. They have decent players to spare and we've been scraping by with Anzejs Pasceniks.

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Terry Davis. Memorable for having an accountant's name and being the greatest ever at drawing charges. He did his best for a few years with us.

I'm glad we have part of the OKC braintrust in DC. They have decent players to spare and we've been scraping by with Anzejs Pasceniks.

Trivia time: Terry Davis is memorable for another reason. He scored the first-ever basket at what is now Capital One Arena. It was 1997 and I was there!

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Nice!

[NatP4]

I wouldn’t be shocked if Garuba goes back to Europe, Oladipo gets bought out, Wiggins, Poku, and JRE get released, maybe even Tre Mann.

Garuba is the only guy that is moderately interesting IMO. Joe surely gets his option picked up. Best value in the entire league for the next 2 years.

[dckingsfan]

I wouldn’t be shocked if Garuba goes back to Europe, Oladipo gets bought out, Wiggins, Poku, and JRE get released, maybe even Tre Mann.

Garuba is the only guy that is moderately interesting IMO. Joe surely gets his option picked up. Best value in the entire league for the next 2 years.

I think Garuba is pretty interesting. I think he is still two years away but could be a really nice piece.

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Garuba is productive right now.

What would you guess a team's FG% is likely to be on shots off of offensive boards? I'd say it's likely to be very very high.
Garuba gets 5 offensive boards per 40 minutes.

[Frichuela]

Garuba is definitely worth a shot. He was instrumental in Spain’s latest Euro crown. Great basketball IQ and defensive potential.

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...Isaiah Joe ...was one of the best young players in the league and played 1400 minutes last year.

I wouldn’t be shocked if... Wiggins, Poku, and JRE get released....

Did Isaiah Joe have a lot better season than Aaron Wiggins? If you think so, please explain how/why.

He did play 75 more minutes than Wiggins on the season.

[NatP4]

...Isaiah Joe ...was one of the best young players in the league and played 1400 minutes last year.

I wouldn’t be shocked if... Wiggins, Poku, and JRE get released....

Did Isaiah Joe have a lot better season than Aaron Wiggins? If you think so, please explain how/why.

He did play 75 more minutes than Wiggins on the season.

Primarily defense. Isaiah Joe is a significantly positive defender while Wiggins is a liability on that end in my opinion. Also scored at a higher volume on better efficiency, got more assists more steals and less turnovers and fouls. It’s like comparing Kispert to prime Klay Thompson.

Wiggins would still be a really good pickup though.

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Good points. Yet, Wiggins actually recorded just slightly more assists than Joe per 40 minutes. Plus, if you look at offensive boards, steals, & turnovers as a "ball-control" composite, Wiggins' superiority in the sum of those three means that on the overall numbers the two guys are virtually identical.

The difference on defense remains, however.

Most important point: these are both quite good NBA players -- Joe taken at 49, Wiggins at 55.

It's also worth noting -- as a FO metric -- that Wiggins is still w/ OKC, the team that drafted him, while the Sixers got nothing out of Isaiah Joe.

[NatP4]

Cissoko earns a 3 year deal/full roster spot. Spurs got a steal at 44

[gambitx777]

Cissoko earns a 3 year deal/full roster spot. Spurs got a steal at 44

Cissoko was awful in summer league. Terrible in my opinion.

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[NatP4]

Cissoko earns a 3 year deal/full roster spot. Spurs got a steal at 44

Cissoko was awful in summer league. Terrible in my opinion.

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He definitely didn’t score lol. 7 points per 40. Played defense and got rebounds assists steals and blocks though.

[penbeast0]

Question: Would you deal Kispert for two of Garuba, Wiggins, Mann, and/or Ty Ty? For 3 (and worry about finding roster spots later)?

[pcbothwel]

Question: Would you deal Kispert for two of Garuba, Wiggins, Mann, and/or Ty Ty? For 3 (and worry about finding roster spots later)?

No. Never deal a quarter for a few dimes/nickels/pennies...
We not only downgrade, but it doesnt fit our timeline. If we trade Kispert, it needs to be for a pick or player from the 2023 draft.