Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated

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Re: Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated 

Post#201 » by wco81 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 3:48 pm

kg01 wrote:Lie detected. We all see it. We just also see it (poor to middling defense) from most of the other pg's folks tout ahead of Trae - Morant, Haliburton, Garland, Brunson, Ball, and more. But it doesn't detract from people's opinions of them.



4 years from now, summer of 2027, Trey will be a UFA but only 27 or 28.

Should the Hawks max him out then? Contract may be $60-70 million a year probably.

Not impossible but unlikely that the Hawks will have won titles by then.

Or even repeat their ECF run.

If the Hawks have gone to the Finals at least or made a couple more runs to the ECF, then it makes sense to keep that roster, with Trey being a key piece.

If they're in the same place they are now, either a play-in team or maybe a 5 or 6 seed, will the Hawks fans and owners support an expensive payroll or maybe look to rebuild?
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Re: Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated 

Post#202 » by Exp0sed » Thu Aug 10, 2023 3:57 pm

Trae Young is NOT underrated lol but yes - it's a shoe thing

the rest, like "ball dominant" might also be true but the real reason is the shoe thing. it's getting disgraceful and unsportsmantlike

disgusting actually..
the good thing for the U.S they don't need their best talent and can beat the "world" their C team

so I guess it doesn't really matter in the end (except for the players that get left out despite being better than those that are on the team, just because they don't promote the "right" brand of shoes) :banghead:
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Re: Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated 

Post#203 » by PurpleGreenGold » Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:23 pm

Trae fans can say what they want, but bottom line for me is this:

I wouldn't want Trae on my team (the Jazz), and we don't even have a real point guard!
Coach Hardy is trying to instill a culture of defense and accountability. I would consider both of those things to be Trae's weak points.
Give me a point guard who can score 15 points a game efficiently, run the team with minimal turnovers, be willing to take a shot when he's open and get all of our other guys involved. Again, most of that last sentence doesn't sound like Trae Young.
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Re: Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated 

Post#204 » by lebootz21 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:29 pm

PurpleGreenGold wrote:Trae fans can say what they want, but bottom line for me is this:

I wouldn't want Trae on my team (the Jazz), and we don't even have a real point guard!
Coach Hardy is trying to instill a culture of defense and accountability. I would consider both of those things to be Trae's weak points.
Give me a point guard who can score 15 points a game efficiently, run the team with minimal turnovers, be willing to take a shot when he's open and get all of our other guys involved. Again, most of that last sentence doesn't sound like Trae Young.


This is why the Jazz will never win a championship.
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Re: Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated 

Post#205 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:29 pm

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Re: Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated 

Post#206 » by PurpleGreenGold » Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:34 pm

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PurpleGreenGold wrote:Trae fans can say what they want, but bottom line for me is this:

I wouldn't want Trae on my team (the Jazz), and we don't even have a real point guard!
Coach Hardy is trying to instill a culture of defense and accountability. I would consider both of those things to be Trae's weak points.
Give me a point guard who can score 15 points a game efficiently, run the team with minimal turnovers, be willing to take a shot when he's open and get all of our other guys involved. Again, most of that last sentence doesn't sound like Trae Young.


This is why the Jazz will never win a championship.


This is also why Atlanta won't either. At least not with Trae as their leader.
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Post#208 » by Amare_1_Knicks » Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:13 pm

There’s more to the game and being a high level player/pg than dominating the ball (very high usg%) with incredibly high turnovers, and efficiency scoring the ball that was actually below average. We don’t see a lot of intangibles from Trae — diving for loose balls, defense, drawing charges, etc.

When you’re looking for guys that will come in and immediately buy into a high-level team concept on both ends of the floor — that play a smart, predictable, disciplined style of basketball, Trae wouldn’t be at the top of my list either. Again, the ill-advised shot selection at times/deep 3 pointers (that don’t really translate to good %’s), the ball domination, the high turnover rate, the poor defense.. it makes sense.

Guys like Brunson, Holiday, Haliburton all fit that kind of system better (among others).
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Post#209 » by lebootz21 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 5:15 pm

PurpleGreenGold wrote:
lebootz21 wrote:
PurpleGreenGold wrote:Trae fans can say what they want, but bottom line for me is this:

I wouldn't want Trae on my team (the Jazz), and we don't even have a real point guard!
Coach Hardy is trying to instill a culture of defense and accountability. I would consider both of those things to be Trae's weak points.
Give me a point guard who can score 15 points a game efficiently, run the team with minimal turnovers, be willing to take a shot when he's open and get all of our other guys involved. Again, most of that last sentence doesn't sound like Trae Young.


This is why the Jazz will never win a championship.


This is also why Atlanta won't either. At least not with Trae as their leader.


:lol:

The Jazz is weak. They are a safe culture that only wants safe players who get to their spots and do what they are told. They have their system and they want all players to abide by it. This is why they will never win a championship. The Hawks are one all star big away from being a legit contender.
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Post#210 » by BarbaGrizz » Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:54 pm

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Post#211 » by TheGeneral99 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:57 pm

He's a great player, but he needs to improve his 3 point shooting to get into the elite category.

Career he's 35% from 3, which is solid, but not good enough if you are taking a high-volume of difficult shots.

A guy like Steph hovers around 40-43%, Lillard around 37-38%, and even Brunson who is lower volume but shoots about 40%.
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Re: Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated 

Post#212 » by PurpleGreenGold » Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:25 pm

lebootz21 wrote:
PurpleGreenGold wrote:
lebootz21 wrote:
This is why the Jazz will never win a championship.


This is also why Atlanta won't either. At least not with Trae as their leader.


:lol:

The Jazz is weak. They are a safe culture that only wants safe players who get to their spots and do what they are told. They have their system and they want all players to abide by it. This is why they will never win a championship. The Hawks are one all star big away from being a legit contender.


This post is ridiculous. Apparently this safe culture that won't win anything was so sought out by Atlanta that they went out and overpaid the guy who created the Jazz culture? Good mental gymnastics dude.
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Re: Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated 

Post#213 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:32 pm

TheGeneral99 wrote:He's a great player, but he needs to improve his 3 point shooting to get into the elite category.

Career he's 35% from 3, which is solid, but not good enough if you are taking a high-volume of difficult shots.

A guy like Steph hovers around 40-43%, Lillard around 37-38%, and even Brunson who is lower volume but shoots about 40%.


IMO he takes a lot of bad threes to set up the rest of his offense and open up the court. Apparently it works as the Atlanta Hawks basicly have the best offense in the association while not surrounding him with superstar offensive talent or incredibly role players.

It's also IMO, most people will never understand this, really. I could be wrong too.
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Re: Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated 

Post#214 » by kg01 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:33 pm

PurpleGreenGold wrote:
lebootz21 wrote:
PurpleGreenGold wrote:
This is also why Atlanta won't either. At least not with Trae as their leader.


:lol:

The Jazz is weak. They are a safe culture that only wants safe players who get to their spots and do what they are told. They have their system and they want all players to abide by it. This is why they will never win a championship. The Hawks are one all star big away from being a legit contender.


This post is ridiculous. Apparently this safe culture that won't win anything was so sought out by Atlanta that they went out and overpaid the guy who created the Jazz culture? Good mental gymnastics dude.


Jerry Sloan?

That'd be a weird hire but I can see why it'd be an overpay.
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Post#215 » by JustBuzzin » Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:47 pm

The only thing underrated about Trae is his beard patch.

Dude really put a bald patch in his beard because he's afraid to show the world his 2 long grey hairs.
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Post#216 » by Ball4life32 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:49 pm

PurpleGreenGold wrote:Trae fans can say what they want, but bottom line for me is this:

I wouldn't want Trae on my team (the Jazz), and we don't even have a real point guard!
Coach Hardy is trying to instill a culture of defense and accountability. I would consider both of those things to be Trae's weak points.
Give me a point guard who can score 15 points a game efficiently, run the team with minimal turnovers, be willing to take a shot when he's open and get all of our other guys involved. Again, most of that last sentence doesn't sound like Trae Young.

Doesn’t sound like any of the top PG’s (maybe Hali? but he scores more than that) so not sure why that’s some negative.

JustBuzzin wrote:The only thing underrated about Trae is his beard patch.

Dude really put a bald patch in his beard because he's afraid to show the world his 2 long grey hairs.

I’m pretty sure that patch is grey hair actually…it does look like a bald patch though.
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Post#217 » by JustBuzzin » Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:11 pm

Ball4life32 wrote:
PurpleGreenGold wrote:Trae fans can say what they want, but bottom line for me is this:

I wouldn't want Trae on my team (the Jazz), and we don't even have a real point guard!
Coach Hardy is trying to instill a culture of defense and accountability. I would consider both of those things to be Trae's weak points.
Give me a point guard who can score 15 points a game efficiently, run the team with minimal turnovers, be willing to take a shot when he's open and get all of our other guys involved. Again, most of that last sentence doesn't sound like Trae Young.

Doesn’t sound like any of the top PG’s (maybe Hali? but he scores more than that) so not sure why that’s some negative.

JustBuzzin wrote:The only thing underrated about Trae is his beard patch.

Dude really put a bald patch in his beard because he's afraid to show the world his 2 long grey hairs.

I’m pretty sure that patch is grey hair actually…it does look like a bald patch though.

Probably because he's in his 20's. I started going grey in my 20's as well. Genetics!
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Post#218 » by lebootz21 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:04 pm

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levon wrote:I'll never buy Trae Young. He's not good enough as a shooter to offset everything else. And he often takes long 3s because the defense takes away everything else, especially in the playoffs. You're never going to win with him as your best player, and the places on the floor he operates from doesn't make it easy for his game to jive with other shot creators.


1. Took his team to the semifinals.

2. Made 1st team all nba.

3. Scored 28.4 pts 9.7 assists in a season.

4. Still hasn't reached his prime (24 years old).

Team him up with an all star big and he's contending for that ring.

P.S. STOP WATCHING HIGHLIGHTS AND ACTUALLY WATCH THE MAN PLAY!!!!!

This is why he is underrated. We no longer have true fans. We only have casuals who watch highlights and aggregate through stats.


He was never first team NBA, I think he made third team once.


You are absolutely right.

Sorry I meant 1st team all nba rookie.
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Post#219 » by Jadoogar » Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:09 pm

i think Trae Young is a phenomenal regular season player. He can pretty much get you a top 10 offense on his own. Great scorer, ok shooter (could be better with shot selection), one of the best passers in the leaguer, deadly from floater range.

In the playoffs however, he's always going to be an issue because he'll be hunted relentlessly.
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Post#220 » by lebootz21 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:06 pm

PurpleGreenGold wrote:
lebootz21 wrote:
PurpleGreenGold wrote:
This is also why Atlanta won't either. At least not with Trae as their leader.


:lol:

The Jazz is weak. They are a safe culture that only wants safe players who get to their spots and do what they are told. They have their system and they want all players to abide by it. This is why they will never win a championship. The Hawks are one all star big away from being a legit contender.


This post is ridiculous. Apparently this safe culture that won't win anything was so sought out by Atlanta that they went out and overpaid the guy who created the Jazz culture? Good mental gymnastics dude.


Don't get me wrong, I like the Jazz. That's how I know what kind of culture they have. Their system is solid but it does not develope iso creators that can win ballgames; I felt they were good enough to win it all in 98, but they fell short because they did not have that one player with the killer instinct to dominate the last 2 minutes like the Bulls did. I can see Malone doing it, but the system won't allow him to dominate on his own.

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