Free Agency & Trades Rumours Thread 3

[wegotthabeet]

Going after Harden makes more sense than Dame, and I was pro trade for Dame.

If we are sticking with the core then **** - go get the guy who fits next to the core. GTJ/Boucher/Flynn fits in the trade checker.

In theory this works, with some salary additions needed.

To Toronto: Harden/Herro/Kris Murray
To Philly: GTJ/Boucher/Flynn/Precious
To Miami: Dame
To Portlan: Barnes/Robinson/Thad/OPJ

Harden/Schroder
Herro/Dick
OG/Murray
Siakam/McDaniels
Poeltl/Koloko

Only part I hate is Herro.

Harden is worth like Trent Jr. - Boucher - Precious - Thad/OPJ tops. if not then it's an easy pass.

[mademan]

Going after Harden makes more sense than Dame, and I was pro trade for Dame.

If we are sticking with the core then **** - go get the guy who fits next to the core. GTJ/Boucher/Flynn fits in the trade checker.

In theory this works, with some salary additions needed.

To Toronto: Harden/Herro/Kris Murray
To Philly: GTJ/Boucher/Flynn/Precious
To Miami: Dame
To Portlan: Barnes/Robinson/Thad/OPJ

Harden/Schroder
Herro/Dick
OG/Murray
Siakam/McDaniels
Poeltl/Koloko

Only part I hate is Herro.

This leaves a financial mess with Herro being paid 30mill/year and all of OG/Siakam/Harden looking for 30-50 mill. It's just not realistic. Harden would be a rental for us, so trading Barnes for him+ is just a non starter.

[YogurtProducer]

Why is Herro even in the trade?

If you wanted Harden, nothing going to Philly is coming from Portland/Miami. Cut them out

In this trade moves Barnes for effectively Herro, why not just trade for Dame too?

I suppose he would not have to be. Including Portland allows us to give up Precious as well while re-rolling Kris Murrays rookie contract for some flexibility.

My line of thinking is if you get Harden you are in full win-now mode. Barnes does not fit a roster that includes heavy usage guys like Harden/Siakam, and you need guys who can shoot the rock around a lineup that includes non-shooters in Siakam/Jakob and a uber-heavy usage guy in Harden.

Replace Herro with any player you could reasonable obtain for Barnes + salary filler (Thad/OPJ)

This is idiotic lol.

Thanks for the contribution.

Why is that when something does not align with your opinion that makes them an idiot?

[JB7]

this is how i see it

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I actually think the whole Harden situation is just about his Bird rights (ability to get maxed by the team that holds his rights). I think when he demanded the trade from the Nets, it was about moving his Bird rights to a team he thought would extend him.

The reason he opted out into the lesser deal last year with the Sixers, was not only to help free up room for the Sixers to sign other players, but I wonder if he got the impression from Morey (after the trade) that they only traded for him to help in the short-term, and then let his contract expire to sign other players (which would screw Harden in terms of his Bird Rights). Harden might have done the two year extension last year just to guarantee money for this year, as well as the option to bolt if a team (Houston) was willing to max him at the three years, to restore his Bird Rights. It is possible Morey might have just let Harden walk this summer, if they didn't do the extension (Harden opted into the original $47M last year), so that the cap space was available next summer.

Maybe when the trade was being discussed from Nets to Sixers, Morey at that time might have given the impression to Harden that he would be extended. Morey seems shady. And Harden feels like he can force his will on teams. So who knows who really caused this situation. Morey promising extensions he lied about, or Harden just thinking he could force Morey into extending him.

Now, if Harden is successful in forcing a trade, that team will hold his Bird Rights and can exceed the salary cap and luxury tax to sign him.

I think they are both dummies. Harden for believing Morey would make him whole this off-season after taking less money and Morey for playing that shady game

So they both get what they deserve

[YogurtProducer]

Going after Harden makes more sense than Dame, and I was pro trade for Dame.

If we are sticking with the core then **** - go get the guy who fits next to the core. GTJ/Boucher/Flynn fits in the trade checker.

In theory this works, with some salary additions needed.

To Toronto: Harden/Herro/Kris Murray
To Philly: GTJ/Boucher/Flynn/Precious
To Miami: Dame
To Portlan: Barnes/Robinson/Thad/OPJ

Harden/Schroder
Herro/Dick
OG/Murray
Siakam/McDaniels
Poeltl/Koloko

Only part I hate is Herro.

Harden is worth like Trent Jr. - Boucher - Precious - Thad/OPJ tops. if not then it's an easy pass.

That is essentially all the deal is.

GTJ/Barnes/salary filler for Harden/Herro. Picks can be swung whichever way to balance out the deal.

Say whatever you want, but Harden/Herro/OG/Siakam/Poeltl is a championship caliber 5.

[quote"mademan"]This leaves a financial mess with Herro being paid 30mill/year and all of OG/Siakam/Harden looking for 30-50 mill. It's just not realistic. Harden would be a rental for us, so trading Barnes for him+ is just a non starter.[/quote]

Yeah that is completely fair. Salaries would be a bit of a pain, although I am not sure it is as big of a deal as you think. Miami for example has Butler at 45M, Bam at 33M, Lowry at 30M, Herro at 29M, and Robinson at 18M.

We could end up with Siakam at 48M (if he signed a 4/192 right now), Herro at 29M, OG at say 30M, Poeltl at 20M, and Harden at 25-30M. That is pretty comparable to Miami.

Going after Harden is a debate-able move, but IMO if you go after Harden you might as well double down and get a core that fits.

[wegotthabeet]

Going after Harden makes more sense than Dame, and I was pro trade for Dame.

If we are sticking with the core then **** - go get the guy who fits next to the core. GTJ/Boucher/Flynn fits in the trade checker.

In theory this works, with some salary additions needed.

To Toronto: Harden/Herro/Kris Murray
To Philly: GTJ/Boucher/Flynn/Precious
To Miami: Dame
To Portlan: Barnes/Robinson/Thad/OPJ

Harden/Schroder
Herro/Dick
OG/Murray
Siakam/McDaniels
Poeltl/Koloko

Only part I hate is Herro.

Harden is worth like Trent Jr. - Boucher - Precious - Thad/OPJ tops. if not then it's an easy pass.

That is essentially all the deal is.

GTJ/Barnes/salary filler for Harden/Herro. Picks can be swung whichever way to balance out the deal.

Say whatever you want, but Harden/Herro/OG/Siakam/Poeltl is a championship caliber 5.

[quote"mademan"]This leaves a financial mess with Herro being paid 30mill/year and all of OG/Siakam/Harden looking for 30-50 mill. It's just not realistic. Harden would be a rental for us, so trading Barnes for him+ is just a non starter.

Yeah that is completely fair. Salaries would be a bit of a pain, although I am not sure it is as big of a deal as you think. Miami for example has Butler at 45M, Bam at 33M, Lowry at 30M, Herro at 29M, and Robinson at 18M.

We could end up with Siakam at 48M (if he signed a 4/192 right now), Herro at 29M, OG at say 30M, Poeltl at 20M, and Harden at 25-30M. That is pretty comparable to Miami.

Going after Harden is a debate-able move, but IMO if you go after Harden you might as well double down and get a core that fits.[/quote]

why would anyone trade barnes for herro?

[WuTang_CMB]

I actually think the whole Harden situation is just about his Bird rights (ability to get maxed by the team that holds his rights). I think when he demanded the trade from the Nets, it was about moving his Bird rights to a team he thought would extend him.

The reason he opted out into the lesser deal last year with the Sixers, was not only to help free up room for the Sixers to sign other players, but I wonder if he got the impression from Morey (after the trade) that they only traded for him to help in the short-term, and then let his contract expire to sign other players (which would screw Harden in terms of his Bird Rights). Harden might have done the two year extension last year just to guarantee money for this year, as well as the option to bolt if a team (Houston) was willing to max him at the three years, to restore his Bird Rights. It is possible Morey might have just let Harden walk this summer, if they didn't do the extension (Harden opted into the original $47M last year), so that the cap space was available next summer.

Maybe when the trade was being discussed from Nets to Sixers, Morey at that time might have given the impression to Harden that he would be extended. Morey seems shady. And Harden feels like he can force his will on teams. So who knows who really caused this situation. Morey promising extensions he lied about, or Harden just thinking he could force Morey into extending him.

Now, if Harden is successful in forcing a trade, that team will hold his Bird Rights and can exceed the salary cap and luxury tax to sign him.

I think they are both dummies. Harden for believing Morey would make him whole this off-season after taking less money and Morey for playing that shady game

So they both get what they deserve

And they wont win anything together either

[bluerap23]

Came here for rumours - found a bunch of people posting proposals. There is a separate stickied thread for that.

[Tor_Raps]

Came here for rumours - found a bunch of people posting proposals. There is a separate stickied thread for that.

A lot of these threads are stupid and I have no idea why they're open. Just makes people waste their time flipping through pages thinking there's something concrete in here but it's usually nothing.

[YogurtProducer]

Harden is worth like Trent Jr. - Boucher - Precious - Thad/OPJ tops. if not then it's an easy pass.

That is essentially all the deal is.

GTJ/Barnes/salary filler for Harden/Herro. Picks can be swung whichever way to balance out the deal.

Say whatever you want, but Harden/Herro/OG/Siakam/Poeltl is a championship caliber 5.

[quote"mademan"]This leaves a financial mess with Herro being paid 30mill/year and all of OG/Siakam/Harden looking for 30-50 mill. It's just not realistic. Harden would be a rental for us, so trading Barnes for him+ is just a non starter.

Yeah that is completely fair. Salaries would be a bit of a pain, although I am not sure it is as big of a deal as you think. Miami for example has Butler at 45M, Bam at 33M, Lowry at 30M, Herro at 29M, and Robinson at 18M.

We could end up with Siakam at 48M (if he signed a 4/192 right now), Herro at 29M, OG at say 30M, Poeltl at 20M, and Harden at 25-30M. That is pretty comparable to Miami.

Going after Harden is a debate-able move, but IMO if you go after Harden you might as well double down and get a core that fits.

why would anyone trade barnes for herro?[/quote]
I mean no one, that is why it is a larger deal which returns Harden and Herro.

[YogurtProducer]

Came here for rumours - found a bunch of people posting proposals. There is a separate stickied thread for that.

Honestly my bad. Did not realize we had multiple of them

[wegotthabeet]

I mean no one, that is why it is a larger deal which returns Harden and Herro.

awful when you can just get Harden without giving up Barnes.

[YogurtProducer]

I mean no one, that is why it is a larger deal which returns Harden and Herro.

awful when you can just get Harden without giving up Barnes.

Can you?

[wegotthabeet]

I mean no one, that is why it is a larger deal which returns Harden and Herro.

awful when you can just get Harden without giving up Barnes.

Can you?

yup

[Lord_Zedd]

Man, imagine trading for Harden and having both Siakam/Harden walk away for nothing.....

Trading for someone like Harden or Dame makes no sense for us at all with Siakam not having an extension.

[HumbleRen]

I suppose he would not have to be. Including Portland allows us to give up Precious as well while re-rolling Kris Murrays rookie contract for some flexibility.

My line of thinking is if you get Harden you are in full win-now mode. Barnes does not fit a roster that includes heavy usage guys like Harden/Siakam, and you need guys who can shoot the rock around a lineup that includes non-shooters in Siakam/Jakob and a uber-heavy usage guy in Harden.

Replace Herro with any player you could reasonable obtain for Barnes + salary filler (Thad/OPJ)

This is idiotic lol.

Thanks for the contribution.

Why is that when something does not align with your opinion that makes them an idiot?

Why on earth would you want a roster of 5 guys making 20M + with 3 of them being potential UFA's while giving up the only promising young asset that we have on our team that is under team control for the next several years ?

OG didn't fit with Kawhi nor did we even need him for the title run but there was a reason why Masai absolutely refused to include him in the Kawhi trade. Scottie for Dame ? I get. Scottie for Herro or an equivalent like player just reeks of desperation.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[JB7]

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And so it begins....

With the way that team is built, it is kind of obvious Giannis was not staying long-term.

What is the order of the next stars being moved, after Dame?
1) Towns
2) Trae
3) Mitchell
4) Embiid
5) Giannis
6) Doncic

[Tha Cynic]

Going after Harden makes more sense than Dame, and I was pro trade for Dame.

If we are sticking with the core then **** - go get the guy who fits next to the core. GTJ/Boucher/Flynn fits in the trade checker.

In theory this works, with some salary additions needed.

To Toronto: Harden/Herro/Kris Murray
To Philly: GTJ/Boucher/Flynn/Precious
To Miami: Dame
To Portlan: Barnes/Robinson/Thad/OPJ

Harden/Schroder
Herro/Dick
OG/Murray
Siakam/McDaniels
Poeltl/Koloko

Only part I hate is Herro.

Harden couldn't win with Embiid. What makes you think he could win with Siakam while being older? Have you seen him play recently? He's more of a third option guy now. This would be a move that gets Masai fired in a season. Who even know how many of those guys would return.

One guy couldn't even make the Eastern Conference finals with the MVP while the other guys team made it all the way to the finals without him.