Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Payne Signed

Ron Swanson · Post #361 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 6:32 pm

emunney wrote:
I agree that it's more than I would offer, but there has to be a distinction between picks and swaps. If we keep Giannis, the swaps are meaningless, just like in the Jrue trade.

No issue with dealing future picks for a younger guy who could be a legit difference-maker now and in the future, but when we're now talking about picks 7-years from now, I don't think you can say with any confidence that this is true.

raferfenix · Post #362 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 6:56 pm

So is consensus that the Bucks potentially could get IQ if we put all of our draft assets on the table, but it wouldn't be worth it from our end?

What if it were only our 2029 first and 2028 swap?

Post #363 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:08 pm

raferfenix wrote:So is consensus that the Bucks potentially could get IQ if we put all of our draft assets on the table, but it wouldn't be worth it from our end?

What if it were only our 2029 first and 2028 swap?

I'm not doing that. Others may.

TroyD92 · Post #364 » by **TroyD92** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:23 pm

Dick Tate wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:Yeah no offense but I’m done dreaming that Giannis has any interest in developing a post game

He's just hanging out with Hakeem for ***** and giggles?

I mean maybe he’ll learn something, but does he have any interest in actually applying it to the game. I have doubts

Ron Swanson · Post #365 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:27 pm

Bobby + Grayson + a 2028 pick swap for IQ + Evan Fournier is about as steep as I'm willing to go. FWIW that's basically the Derrick White package, which should probably be the baseline here.

crowhead76 · Post #366 » by **crowhead76** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:37 pm

raferfenix wrote:So is consensus that the Bucks potentially could get IQ if we put all of our draft assets on the table, but it wouldn't be worth it from our end?

What if it were only our 2029 first and 2028 swap?

If you believe that Quickley helps put the team over the top for another championship this year, then I think a 2028 pick swap and the 2029 1st may be worth it. A championship this year with the addition of a young addition in Quickley who is on the rise I think would all but guarantee a Giannis extension through most likely the 2028 season. If he decides to walk at 34 to chase another championship, then he would still bring back at least a 1st round pick in 2029 and help the Bucks recoup that pick. The 2028 pick swap would have at that point most likely not amounted to anything. (I think my math is right on the years)

If the Bucks do not feel like Quickley is the missing piece for a championship this year, then no way should they make that trade. As others have pointed out, those picks can then be used next summer to bring in a top tier talent to keep Giannis in the fold.

A championship this year would go a long way to keep Giannis in Milwaukee through at least 2028, it would be a very big gamble especially with the fact that they would be providing additional assets to NY to attain a superstar player.

crowhead76 · Post #367 » by **crowhead76** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:39 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Bobby + Grayson + a 2028 pick swap for IQ + Evan Fournier is about as steep as I'm willing to go. FWIW that's basically the Derrick White package, which should probably be the baseline here.

Fournier would need to be rerouted, that does not work financially.

fansinceforever · Post #368 » by **fansinceforever** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 8:31 pm

With all the recent statements from Giannis directly, we cannot let a pick swap or two get in our way of improving the team. I'm not banking at all on the current roster and theoretical coaching improvements.

If we don't win or make a very good run at it, we're less than a year away from being in a much more publicized Blazer's position.

Post #369 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 8:47 pm

There's no reason not to trade every last available pick and asset. The Bucks are going to recoup it all and more when Giannis is inevitably moved.

Ron Swanson · Post #370 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 8:54 pm

Yes, I'd trade every pick and asset the Bucks own for Damian Lillard in a heartbeat.

fansinceforever · Post #371 » by **fansinceforever** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:22 pm

At this point, i'm including a 1st or swap for Sexton and I'd do both for IQ. It's mid September. Time to get serious.

jakecronus8 · Post #372 » by **jakecronus8** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:34 pm

Never took Giannis as the Aaron Rodgers passive aggressive type. Say what you mean or dont say anything at all. And most importantly say it to management and ownership and not some sh.tty podcast

Dick Tate · Post #373 » by **Dick Tate** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:58 pm

fansinceforever wrote:At this point, i'm including a 1st or swap for Sexton and I'd do both for IQ. It's mid September. Time to get serious.

Disagree. Giannis won't consider signing his extension until next summer/fall. See how the current team can do under a new coach this season, then make the big move next summer, if needed. Don't want to be in a position of needing to make a big move next summer and being all out of ammo.

Badgerlander · Post #374 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:56 pm

fansinceforever wrote:At this point, i'm including a 1st or swap for Sexton and I'd do both for IQ. It's mid September. Time to get serious.

I wouldnt give up more than a 2nd for Sexton and honestly i’d wait until after IQ signs an extension before I’d even pick up the phone. It’s mid September, not getting serious until mid Dec if the current roster is showing holes at that point

tedbrogen · Post #375 » by **tedbrogen** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:17 pm

Sell me on how Sexton or IQ are difference makers and can be the reason the Bucks win a championship this year versus flaming out in the early rounds again.

What I saw from IQ in the playoff last year certainly doesn’t give me confidence.

Now if it’s a legit option to trade everything for Dame, I’m all-in.

tedbrogen · Post #376 » by **tedbrogen** » Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:19 pm

But yeah, the Bucks have Giannis under contract for two more years. They don’t have to make a panic move now. See how things work with the new coach and make a move at the deadline or next offseason.

The last time Giannis was at this point they waited until the off-season before the last year of his deal, made the Jrue trade, and then he re-signed. No reason they can’t try the same again when they’ll have a better package to trade next offseason and could get try for someone far better than IQ or Sexton.

raferfenix · Post #377 » by **raferfenix** » Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:30 am

If Giannis is pissed the Bucks chose not to do more to improve the roster he’d do exactly what he’s doing now.

That’d be especially so if he thinks we could get Dame but aren’t.

Daver · Post #378 » by **Daver** » Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:37 am

fansinceforever wrote:At this point, i'm including a 1st or swap for Sexton and I'd do both for IQ. It's mid September. Time to get serious.

Thats all utah wanted from what i read either allen/pat / marjon or allen/ portis or pat and a 1st i would absolutely do that

Daver · Post #379 » by **Daver** » Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:39 am

If utah called horst n said lets try this again we will take allen/pat or bobby n a 1st would this board now say yes for sexton.Dudes only 24 under team control for 4 more years like having a rookie on your team

Daver · Post #380 » by **Daver** » Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:42 am

raferfenix wrote:If Giannis is pissed the Bucks chose not to do more to improve the roster he’d do exactly what he’s doing now.

That’d be especially so if he thinks we could get Dame but aren’t.

Giannis needs to look in the mirror here horst has done pretty much everything giannis has wanted probsbly even fired bud to make giannis happy but if mr mvp doesnt go 12-25 from the line in a 2 point loss in game 5 its goung 6 games n who knows whats going to happen.Horst is trying to win