Dame traded to the Bucks!

[Effigy]

I'm not trying to derail anything. I'm happy you guys got the deal done and Dame got to a reasonble destination. It's the first thing that I said.

Now the Heat had Herro, Jovic, JJJ + 3 FRPs, Caleb as assets that are close to a FRP and they really wanted Dame.
It is very difficult for me to imagine that the Portland FO went to them and said, hey here is the deal we have from Milwaukee if you don't beat it we take it.
They absolutely could have beaten that deal.

The way it went down from reports is that they just never went back to the Heat and were happy to take the Milwaukee offer.
It's fine with me, it is what it is and down the road offering everything the Heat have would have hurt them.

The Heat are fine, they have promising young guys and are banking on Herro making another leap.
The only one who really suffers here is Jimmy and that is the only part I am upset about, he played his heart out for the organization and they could not put another star next to him. Maybe they get smth. done, but the clock is ticking for him.

They had 3 FRPs? I thought they only had 2?

I'd say OKC would have swapped the protected pick vs an unprotected pick a year later, don't see a reason why they wouldn't. It's clearly better for them to do it.

Because Miami's record gets better with Dame on the team. So that hurts the pick OKC gets. OKC has no incentive to make that deal. That's why it never happened. OKC would have wanted something in exchange for removing the protections and accepting a worse pick.

[The Sebastian Express]

My man reported my post for calling Pat Riley an old man. That's gotten one of the biggest laughs of the day.

Do you think I am pat riley? Why are you replying to my posts and calling me old man then?

Please don't troll me then? Whatever, you clearly started using your moderator powers, I don't think Heat fans are welcome here, have a good day

Because we were discussing Pat Riley.

I'm not here for the intentional ignorance and intentionally obtuse act, Grumpy Heat Fan. You want to speak with us in good faith, have at it, you want to continue this shtick? You can take a twelve hour break.

You have a combination of ten bannings, suspensions and warnings since your time on realGM, including multiples this year.

It's a you thing, friend. Not an us thing.

[VaDe255]

They had 3 FRPs? I thought they only had 2?

I'd say OKC would have swapped the protected pick vs an unprotected pick a year later, don't see a reason why they wouldn't. It's clearly better for them to do it.

Because Miami's record gets better with Dame on the team. So that hurts the pick OKC gets. OKC has no incentive to make that deal. That's why it never happened. OKC would have wanted something in exchange for removing the protections and accepting a worse pick.

I don't follow. They get a pick that is later and unprotected. Jimmy/Dame are a year older. All it takes is a freak injury and they might miss the playoffs.

It's ok we don't need to go into detail with this, the trade is already done and it is tiring to argue with facts vs emotions.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

My man reported my post for calling Pat Riley an old man. That's gotten one of the biggest laughs of the day.

Do you think I am pat riley? Why are you replying to my posts and calling me old man then?

Please don't troll me then? Whatever, you clearly started using your moderator powers, I don't think Heat fans are welcome here, have a good day

Old man is not an insult, and just look at your own profile picture ROFL.

You are not going to get very far reporting a board mod for trolling with your post history. Yes we can see all the times you have been warned and banned before. No one on the moderator side is fooled.

[Blazers98]

Overall not a bad deal but significantly better than the Miami offer.

Miami got the short end of the stick no doubt. Not only do they lose out in Dame who very likely could have brought them a championship, Dame was traded to a team that easily overtakes Miami with chances to win a title. I guess the strategy of "no reason to bid against yourself" only works until..... someone else offers something. Love it. I really get the sense Riley offered less than they could have and this is the result. AND, they will not be keeping the powder dry for Giannes. AND, they prefered Dame over Beal and didn't offer anything because they wanted to offer a less than everything package for Dame.

The Bucks pick could be a very nice pick. Giannes and his game is very dependent on his athleticism. Even if he is still with the Bucks, he just won't be anywhere close to what he is now. In fact, I would argue he has already slowed down just a tad. The swaps should be decent as well.

Ayton is worth the gamble for the team.

Let's see what we can get for Holiday!

The Bucks will be a fun team to watch. Love that it is a small market team.

[GEE]

Why are you ranting against Pat Riley? are you okay?


Such a weird off topic rant

You didn't mention Ayton because Ayton going to POR was going to happen regardless of team involved. Miami would have sent Caleb Martin to PHX or something to send Ayton out to POR.


The deal was essentially Herro + 2 frp vs Jrue + 1 frp

and Dame's wish to be in Miami.

Cronin went against all of it, interesting to me you're happy with it. You seem to be more unhappy about other things, some inferiority complex about Pat Riley or something lol

Ah, I remember you from the general board now. The guy constantly intentionally acts obtuse and makes up arguments out of thin air.

Consider this a warning for trolling. You keep doing it, it's twelve hours.

Have a great day.

You called me names, you called me "old man", and you say I'm the one trolling?

I am discussing the Lillard trade. If you don't want Heat fans here, say so

OK, I'll do it... I don't want Heat fans here. Can I get a "And 1"?

[PDXKnight]

Yes, he absolutely traded Dame for a worse deal out of spite after ensuring other guys got where they wanted.

I know it's difficult for you to maybe reflect on whether the Heat just didn't offer what they could've.

You had a superstar who publicly wanted to go only to your team and your team didn't offer all it could. We're familiar here with holding onto young talent and picks rather than trade them for better players (CJ + picks for Jimmy, CJ + picks for PG13).

In the end Portland still traded him to a team he was fine with going to as we see from Marc Spears' report about Goodwin reaching out to the Nets and Milwaukee.

Jrue + a pick + two swaps is better than Herro + two picks, which is the latest reports on what Miami was willing to offer.

For Miami fans who want to come over here and try to derail our trade thread because you're upset Portland didn't acquiesce to Miami, move on. There's no need to personally do your part in lowering concerns about rising sea levels by draining all the salt out of the Atlantic.

I'm not trying to derail anything. I'm happy you guys got the deal done and Dame got to a reasonble destination. It's the first thing that I said.

Now the Heat had Herro, Jovic, JJJ + 3 FRPs, Caleb as assets that are close to a FRP and they really wanted Dame.
It is very difficult for me to imagine that the Portland FO went to them and said, hey here is the deal we have from Milwaukee if you don't beat it we take it.
They absolutely could have beaten that deal.

The way it went down from reports is that they just never went back to the Heat and were happy to take the Milwaukee offer.
It's fine with me, it is what it is and down the road offering everything the Heat have would have hurt them.

The Heat are fine, they have promising young guys and are banking on Herro making another leap.
The only one who really suffers here is Jimmy and that is the only part I am upset about, he played his heart out for the organization and they could not put another star next to him. Maybe they get smth. done, but the clock is ticking for him.

They had 3 FRPs? I thought they only had 2?

I believe 3 is accurate. But they were offering nothing besides that and hopefully jrue will net us at least 2 firsts plus whatever to make salaries line out. Ironically we may be able to get that Miami deal for just jrue as they're probably feeling like they want something close to an all star

I wonder if jrue for og is possible with van fleet out? That'd be an interesting one to mull over albeit maybe Toronto balks at the cost. Nonetheless I do think teams could be pried for 2 firsts & maybe more if they think he's the missing piece. There's lots of teams who would love a 2 way point

[MickeyDavis]

Jimmy - salty
Herro - salty
Heat fans - salty

Hate to see it

[Shem]

I should also add, if the Blazers did this deal out of spite to the Heat, I'm also 100% OK with that.

And there it is

Heat did nothing wrong here, blaming Miami for Dame wanting out is hilarious, Dame was upset at YOUR front office.

So Buster's opinion is now fact? Okay then...

[PDXKnight]

I should also add, if the Blazers did this deal out of spite to the Heat, I'm also 100% OK with that.

And there it is

Heat did nothing wrong here, blaming Miami for Dame wanting out is hilarious, Dame was upset at YOUR front office.

So Buster's opinion is now fact? Okay then...

Exactly. Most of us thought Miami had a pile of turds they were polishing to make look like gold and it wasn't working. Most of us knew Dame wanted out and had accepted that but we weren't gonna take garbage for an all star. Sometimes wanting something doesn't work if you're not willing to make a GOOD FAITH OFFER. Riley by reports wasn't even emptying the cupboard outside of their big 2, and that "all in" offer wouldn't land a fringe all star let alone a perennial all star. Riley gave portland a slap in tbe face and portland rightfully looked at other options that were, apparently, well in line with dames wishes nonetheless

That miami offer would land, well maybe, jrue...

[RTG HD]

Jimmy - salty
Herro - salty
Heat fans - salty

Hate to see it

Even more fun if you win a championship with Dame because Blazer fans will thank you again for making them all salty again.

[zzaj]

Man, I love that it's likely a big part of the fabric of Riley's last chapter to miss out on potentially bringing another championship to Miami because he's a greedy ass hat. lol

[One_and_Done]

Stuck it to the Heat like bosses. Now don't give them Holiday either.

[Rapaz]

Hello.

I’m here to retrieve Grumpy Heat Fan.

It’s time to go home, old man.

[monopoman]

Dame's agent now saying the Heat did everything they could to get him. When we have reports that Riley made an offer back in July and never changed that offer.

Wow, the Heat going all out trying to get Dame here!

What an incredible effort by Riley to get Dame, he made one offer in July then proceeded to do whatever for the next 3 months.

All things aside, the Ayton part of the deal was getting done no matter the team.

So essentially the offers comparatively were
Herro and 2 first
vs.
Jrue and a 1st.

Both players most likely get flipped for an additional first. So our offer was 3 first vs. 2 bucks first.

Maybe I’m just a homer, but I don’t understand how Trail Blazers fans are happy about taking a less return and spiting their franchise goat. Portland accepted MIL offer without telling Miami about it to give them a chance to up offer. ......... why spite Dame by not even floating it by the Heat to get a better offer? The entire thing is hilariously bad by Cronin

We did get 2 pick swaps and again if we are winning more at that time that does have some value. The Bucks might be struggling a bit and those pick swaps could easily turn a 20ish 1st rounder by Portland into a top 10-15 pick.

I also think Jrue has more value than Herro does today, Jrue is one of the best defenders at his position in the NBA many teams could utilize him. I think Herro is not as valuable a contract you might disagree but I am just not sure. We will see for sure once Jrue is traded what the return is.

[PDXKnight]

Hello.

I’m here to retrieve Grumpy Heat Fan.

It’s time to go home, old man.

Post of the day, +1000

[The Sebastian Express]

Hello.

I’m here to retrieve Grumpy Heat Fan.

It’s time to go home, old man.

You know we can see your notes and know what you're doing over multiple forums, but I have to admit your little pretending to be a Blazers/Joe fan during this has been amusing.

[monopoman]

Hello.

I’m here to retrieve Grumpy Heat Fan.

It’s time to go home, old man.

You know we can see your notes and know what you're doing over multiple forums, but I have to admit your little pretending to be a Blazers/Joe fan during this has been amusing.

Plenty of people are temp Blazer fans today just to throw shade at Heat fans. Heat fans were very cocky leading into this trade, they got egg on their face today and many want to take advantage.

[Diop]

My man reported my post for calling Pat Riley an old man. That's gotten one of the biggest laughs of the day.

go to someone elses board to throw shade, then complain when the horrific term "old man" is used.

that is pretty great.

Riley made it clear they had offered the most they were willing to go, seems Milwaukees offer was better.
It's a business, I can absolutely see Riley willing to trade for Jrue, again its likely Portland will get offered more from other teams though.

[m0ng0]

I think we got took, 1st and 2 swaps? We got a holiday we are maybe going to trade, an Ayton which is a neutral move and an unknown prospect in Camara which people here are already throwing in the trash.