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Re: The Official NY Jets Thread. 

Post#921 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Oct 9, 2023 11:28 pm

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ibraheim718 wrote:If you compare Wilson and Purdy in a vacuum Wilson has him beat in every conceivable physical metric and yet Purdy is miles better than Wilson. It's up to the Jets coaching staff and management to realize that Wilson doesn't have the brain power, composure, or finesse to be a high level QB in the NFL. They should cut bait but they probably see the arm and his ability to run and it blinds them.


In hindsight, they should have traded Zach this offseason and kept Mike White as the backup since he had some success last year with this group. But also, I don't think they expected to need Zach for the entire season and planned on having him sit behind Rodgers to learn.

What's funny is while I agree with your conclusion I think I disagree with the premise. It seems like this coaching staff actually isn't blinded by any of the physical traits with Zach and are bubble wrapping him in a way that saves him from himself. They never really let him loose and I actually think he plays better when they do. However he's too inconsistent to be trusted at this point.

The FO has their hands tied until one of these teams decides to tank and makes their QB available via trade. I have my eyes on Minnesota. 1-4 and they have games against the Niners and Packers coming up before the trade deadline. Conceivably, they can be 2-6 and decide that tanking for Caleb makes the most sense given Cousins age. If the Jets can get to 3-4 before the deadline, I think you'd have to aggressively pursue him. There's a lot of winnable games in the back end of the schedule.


The enlarge section is what makes Douglas, et al., look extremely foolish. They somehow thought that Rodgers wouldn't get hurt at 40 years old and they bought into the fallacy of sunk costs with Zach. We'd be 3-2 with Mike White.
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Re: The Official NY Jets Thread. 

Post#922 » by Oscirus » Mon Oct 9, 2023 11:49 pm

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ibraheim718 wrote:If you compare Wilson and Purdy in a vacuum Wilson has him beat in every conceivable physical metric and yet Purdy is miles better than Wilson. It's up to the Jets coaching staff and management to realize that Wilson doesn't have the brain power, composure, or finesse to be a high level QB in the NFL. They should cut bait but they probably see the arm and his ability to run and it blinds them.


In hindsight, they should have traded Zach this offseason and kept Mike White as the backup since he had some success last year with this group. But also, I don't think they expected to need Zach for the entire season and planned on having him sit behind Rodgers to learn.

What's funny is while I agree with your conclusion I think I disagree with the premise. It seems like this coaching staff actually isn't blinded by any of the physical traits with Zach and are bubble wrapping him in a way that saves him from himself. They never really let him loose and I actually think he plays better when they do. However he's too inconsistent to be trusted at this point.

The FO has their hands tied until one of these teams decides to tank and makes their QB available via trade. I have my eyes on Minnesota. 1-4 and they have games against the Niners and Packers coming up before the trade deadline. Conceivably, they can be 2-6 and decide that tanking for Caleb makes the most sense given Cousins age. If the Jets can get to 3-4 before the deadline, I think you'd have to aggressively pursue him. There's a lot of winnable games in the back end of the schedule.


The enlarge section is what makes Douglas, et al., look extremely foolish. They somehow thought that Rodgers wouldn't get hurt at 40 years old and they bought into the fallacy of sunk costs with Zach. We'd be 3-2 with Mike White.

Id argue 4 and 1, that Chiefs game was very winnable
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Re: The Official NY Jets Thread. 

Post#923 » by Knicksfan1992 » Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:19 am

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ibraheim718 wrote:If you compare Wilson and Purdy in a vacuum Wilson has him beat in every conceivable physical metric and yet Purdy is miles better than Wilson. It's up to the Jets coaching staff and management to realize that Wilson doesn't have the brain power, composure, or finesse to be a high level QB in the NFL. They should cut bait but they probably see the arm and his ability to run and it blinds them.


In hindsight, they should have traded Zach this offseason and kept Mike White as the backup since he had some success last year with this group. But also, I don't think they expected to need Zach for the entire season and planned on having him sit behind Rodgers to learn.

What's funny is while I agree with your conclusion I think I disagree with the premise. It seems like this coaching staff actually isn't blinded by any of the physical traits with Zach and are bubble wrapping him in a way that saves him from himself. They never really let him loose and I actually think he plays better when they do. However he's too inconsistent to be trusted at this point.

The FO has their hands tied until one of these teams decides to tank and makes their QB available via trade. I have my eyes on Minnesota. 1-4 and they have games against the Niners and Packers coming up before the trade deadline. Conceivably, they can be 2-6 and decide that tanking for Caleb makes the most sense given Cousins age. If the Jets can get to 3-4 before the deadline, I think you'd have to aggressively pursue him. There's a lot of winnable games in the back end of the schedule.


The enlarge section is what makes Douglas, et al., look extremely foolish. They somehow thought that Rodgers wouldn't get hurt at 40 years old and they bought into the fallacy of sunk costs with Zach. We'd be 3-2 with Mike White.


Not denying that. They didn't want to admit their mistake in the offseason and paid the price for it the first 3 games of the season. I still find it hard to absolutely kill them for not being ready for Rodgers to go down 4 snaps in. It was just incredibly unlucky even given the implied injury risk of a 40 year old QB. He's been relatively durable the past 5 years for an older guy. I'm sure they thought if they had to turn to Zach it would have been at least a little further down the road when he had time to really sit behind Aaron and learn.

The Pats game is the one I continue to harp on. No reason for us to lose that game and we did strictly because of horrendous QB play. Last 2 he's teetered between just normal bad and average. If he can stay there, then we can win games.

I'd still look for other options but he's at least settled in a bit more now
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Re: The Official NY Jets Thread. 

Post#924 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:03 am

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In hindsight, they should have traded Zach this offseason and kept Mike White as the backup since he had some success last year with this group. But also, I don't think they expected to need Zach for the entire season and planned on having him sit behind Rodgers to learn.

What's funny is while I agree with your conclusion I think I disagree with the premise. It seems like this coaching staff actually isn't blinded by any of the physical traits with Zach and are bubble wrapping him in a way that saves him from himself. They never really let him loose and I actually think he plays better when they do. However he's too inconsistent to be trusted at this point.

The FO has their hands tied until one of these teams decides to tank and makes their QB available via trade. I have my eyes on Minnesota. 1-4 and they have games against the Niners and Packers coming up before the trade deadline. Conceivably, they can be 2-6 and decide that tanking for Caleb makes the most sense given Cousins age. If the Jets can get to 3-4 before the deadline, I think you'd have to aggressively pursue him. There's a lot of winnable games in the back end of the schedule.


The enlarge section is what makes Douglas, et al., look extremely foolish. They somehow thought that Rodgers wouldn't get hurt at 40 years old and they bought into the fallacy of sunk costs with Zach. We'd be 3-2 with Mike White.


Not denying that. They didn't want to admit their mistake in the offseason and paid the price for it the first 3 games of the season. I still find it hard to absolutely kill them for not being ready for Rodgers to go down 4 snaps in. It was just incredibly unlucky even given the implied injury risk of a 40 year old QB. He's been relatively durable the past 5 years for an older guy. I'm sure they thought if they had to turn to Zach it would have been at least a little further down the road when he had time to really sit behind Aaron and learn.

The Pats game is the one I continue to harp on. No reason for us to lose that game and we did strictly because of horrendous QB play. Last 2 he's teetered between just normal bad and average. If he can stay there, then we can win games.

I'd still look for other options but he's at least settled in a bit more now


You find it hard to kill them for it? Not me. It's not like this exact thing hasn't happened to this franchise because it did the year that Vinny Testiverde went down. So yeah, this has happened before to the Jets. Exactly the same thing!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2023/09/13/aaron-rodgers-injury-vinny-testaverde-new-york-jets-achilles/70841768007/#:~:text=But%20halfway%20through%20the%20second,all%20too%20real%20for%20Testaverde.

Halfway through the second quarter of the season opener against the New England Patriots, Testaverde reacted to a Curtis Martin fumble and ruptured his left Achilles – the same diagnosis Rodgers received – in the process.
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Re: The Official NY Jets Thread. 

Post#925 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Oct 10, 2023 12:32 pm

Jets will win exactly enough games to miss out on any blue chip draft guys. So, I'm going with 5 or 6 very meaningless wins.
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Re: The Official NY Jets Thread. 

Post#926 » by j4remi » Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:17 pm

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No worries. Jets aren't winning more than 5 games this year


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thebuzzardman wrote:Jets will win exactly enough games to miss out on any blue chip draft guys. So, I'm going with 5 or 6 very meaningless wins.


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Re: The Official NY Jets Thread. 

Post#927 » by j4remi » Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:32 pm

Justin Jefferson to the IR...Just give us Cousins! We'd have a shot with Cousins. If they could somehow pull of La'el Collins as a signing and Cousins in a trade, this team would have some reason for hope.
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Post#928 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:27 pm

j4remi wrote:Justin Jefferson to the IR...Just give us Cousins! We'd have a shot with Cousins. If they could somehow pull of La'el Collins as a signing and Cousins in a trade, this team would have some reason for hope.

I'd take Mike White back in a heartbeat.
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Post#929 » by moocow007 » Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:36 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Jets will win exactly enough games to miss out on any blue chip draft guys. So, I'm going with 5 or 6 very meaningless wins.


They're going to do the same thing. With the absolute PERFECT excuse to tank they'll win meaningless games and miss out on the one guy that can really turn this thing around.
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Re: The Official NY Jets Thread. 

Post#930 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:43 am

Kirk Cousins? I’d do it because Rodgers isn’t coming back from this Achilles injury.

We’re going to get killed this weekend against the Iggles.
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Post#931 » by Oscirus » Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:58 pm

yall crazy talking about giving up a high draft pick for a half season of cousins
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Post#932 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:00 pm

Oscirus wrote:yall crazy talking about giving up a high draft pick for a half season of cousins

We’d have to extend him for the deal to make sense. I’m all for it. Tired of trying to find a decent QB.
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Post#935 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:43 am

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Re: The Official NY Jets Thread. 

Post#939 » by j4remi » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:12 pm

And the turf has claimed Garrett Wilson…
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Post#940 » by j4remi » Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:12 pm

And the turf has claimed Garrett Wilson…
PG- Haliburton | Schroder | Sasser
SG- Grimes | Dick | Bogdanovic
SF- Bridges | George
PF- Hunter |Strus| Fleming
C- Turner | Powell | Wiseman

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