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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#501 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:26 pm

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It’s a small sample and the thing with Wemby is his fluidity in comparison to those guys who look like they got cinderblock feet lol

Not saying he’s not gonna get hurt or more at risk than an average guard or anything but it’s absolutely different lol


Kristaps is closest but he’s been injured non-stop. Hasn’t looked the same physically since his rookie season either.



I’m not saying he’s gonna be healthy for sure or that it’s not a concern

But porzingis is absolutely not similar to wemby in terms of their fluidity and how light they are on their feet lmfao


I think you are way overrating the fluidity in terms of injury concerns. I think its very unlikely he's going to be playing 70 plus games for a decade. This is a human bodies just aren't meant to be this big. And the fact that he moves so fluidly may actually work against him here as it opens up the possibility of knee/ankle/foot issues and those are always the concerns with big men.

I hope he's an exception. But he's probably not.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#502 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:30 pm

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Kristaps is closest but he’s been injured non-stop. Hasn’t looked the same physically since his rookie season either.



I’m not saying he’s gonna be healthy for sure or that it’s not a concern

But porzingis is absolutely not similar to wemby in terms of their fluidity and how light they are on their feet lmfao


I think you are way overrating the fluidity in terms of injury concerns. I think its very unlikely he's going to be playing 70 plus games for a decade. This is a human bodies just aren't meant to be this big. And the fact that he moves so fluidly may actually work against him here as it opens up the possibility of knee/ankle/foot issues and those are always the concerns with big men.

I hope he's an exception. But he's probably not.



Being able to move “well” and land softly and controlled, decelerate well and safely, is basically one of the biggest things with injuries, with Wemby he’s does so better than any center out there right now

The fact that he is 7ft3-4 and looking like a broken chopstick is an issue, but there’s reason to be optimistic when you compare him to other tall bigs
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#503 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:44 pm

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I’m not saying he’s gonna be healthy for sure or that it’s not a concern

But porzingis is absolutely not similar to wemby in terms of their fluidity and how light they are on their feet lmfao


I think you are way overrating the fluidity in terms of injury concerns. I think its very unlikely he's going to be playing 70 plus games for a decade. This is a human bodies just aren't meant to be this big. And the fact that he moves so fluidly may actually work against him here as it opens up the possibility of knee/ankle/foot issues and those are always the concerns with big men.

I hope he's an exception. But he's probably not.



Being able to move “well” and land softly and controlled, decelerate well and safely, is basically one of the biggest things with injuries, with Wemby he’s does so better than any center out there right now

The fact that he is 7ft3-4 and looking like a broken chopstick is an issue, but there’s reason to be optimistic when you compare him to other tall bigs


disagree a lot. Eaton, Bradley and Manute Bol basically being ground bound protects them from landing on an ankle, hyper-extending a knee, etc... Guys like KP (who you were way too dismissive btw) or Sampson or Bol Bol or Wemby who are attacking from the perimeter who are playing in the air far more are going to be more at risk for injuries.

Take even me at a modest 6'3". I was totally unathletic and so despite having played basketball for 40 years, I've never had a serious ankle injury and my knee issues are from volume not any serious injury. It definitely matters. It's just physics and percentages.

He'd be far better off from an injury standpoint if he played like Shawn Bradley. He'd not be anywhere near the player, but I think you have it backwards. You can't athletic yourself or grace yourself from a foot sliding under you when in mid-air. Or from landing wrong on your knee. Look at all the smaller players with infinite more body control than Wemby with these injuries....
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#504 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:51 pm

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I think you are way overrating the fluidity in terms of injury concerns. I think its very unlikely he's going to be playing 70 plus games for a decade. This is a human bodies just aren't meant to be this big. And the fact that he moves so fluidly may actually work against him here as it opens up the possibility of knee/ankle/foot issues and those are always the concerns with big men.

I hope he's an exception. But he's probably not.



Being able to move “well” and land softly and controlled, decelerate well and safely, is basically one of the biggest things with injuries, with Wemby he’s does so better than any center out there right now

The fact that he is 7ft3-4 and looking like a broken chopstick is an issue, but there’s reason to be optimistic when you compare him to other tall bigs


disagree a lot. Eaton, Bradley and Manute Bol basically being ground bound protects them from landing on an ankle, hyper-extending a knee, etc... Guys like KP (who you were way too dismissive btw) or Sampson or Bol Bol or Wemby who are attacking from the perimeter who are playing in the air far more are going to be more at risk for injuries.

Take even me at a modest 6'3". I was totally unathletic and so despite having played basketball for 40 years, I've never had a serious ankle injury and my knee issues are from volume not any serious injury. It definitely matters. It's just physics and percentages.

He'd be far better off from an injury standpoint if he played like Shawn Bradley. He'd not be anywhere near the player, but I think you have it backwards. You can't athletic yourself or grace yourself from a foot sliding under you when in mid-air. Or from landing wrong on your knee. Look at all the smaller players with infinite more body control than Wemby with these injuries....


Fluidity =/= being explosive or a high flyer, but yeah nah I see where ur coming from more so now, I just don’t think it’s a situation where you look at other guys that height because it’s so different

It’s fair to say there are more ways Wemby can land in awkward positions than other guys at his size because how he plays, but I also think it’s fair to say mechanically hes landing better than those guys as well

It’s a we’ll see type of thing, but injuries are definately a concern. At the same time, mechanics are a big part of why people get hurt, I think wembys are fine but I haven’t looked deep into it or anything

porzingis is very fluid for his size but he’s in a different stratosphere vs Wemby in that regard
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#505 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:59 pm

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I think you are way overrating the fluidity in terms of injury concerns. I think its very unlikely he's going to be playing 70 plus games for a decade. This is a human bodies just aren't meant to be this big. And the fact that he moves so fluidly may actually work against him here as it opens up the possibility of knee/ankle/foot issues and those are always the concerns with big men.

I hope he's an exception. But he's probably not.



Being able to move “well” and land softly and controlled, decelerate well and safely, is basically one of the biggest things with injuries, with Wemby he’s does so better than any center out there right now

The fact that he is 7ft3-4 and looking like a broken chopstick is an issue, but there’s reason to be optimistic when you compare him to other tall bigs


disagree a lot. Eaton, Bradley and Manute Bol basically being ground bound protects them from landing on an ankle, hyper-extending a knee, etc... Guys like KP (who you were way too dismissive btw) or Sampson or Bol Bol or Wemby who are attacking from the perimeter who are playing in the air far more are going to be more at risk for injuries.

Take even me at a modest 6'3". I was totally unathletic and so despite having played basketball for 40 years, I've never had a serious ankle injury and my knee issues are from volume not any serious injury. It definitely matters. It's just physics and percentages.

He'd be far better off from an injury standpoint if he played like Shawn Bradley. He'd not be anywhere near the player, but I think you have it backwards. You can't athletic yourself or grace yourself from a foot sliding under you when in mid-air. Or from landing wrong on your knee. Look at all the smaller players with infinite more body control than Wemby with these injuries....



Also playing basketball for 40 years and not getting a ankle injury is crazy lmfao
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#506 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:08 pm

MyUniBroDavis wrote:Also playing basketball for 40 years and not getting a ankle injury is crazy lmfao


I am the reason for the generalization white guys can't jump lol....
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#507 » by itsxtray » Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:05 pm

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MyUniBroDavis wrote:Also playing basketball for 40 years and not getting a ankle injury is crazy lmfao


I am the reason for the generalization white guys can't jump lol....

My left ankle is still cooked to this day from all the times i rolled it, smh. The arthritis gonna go crazy when im older, smh.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#508 » by tsherkin » Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:06 pm

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MyUniBroDavis wrote:Also playing basketball for 40 years and not getting a ankle injury is crazy lmfao


I am the reason for the generalization white guys can't jump lol....

My left ankle is still cooked to this day from all the times i rolled it, smh. The arthritis gonna go crazy when im older, smh.


I'm living that right now with my ankle and my knee, man.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#509 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:44 pm

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I am the reason for the generalization white guys can't jump lol....

My left ankle is still cooked to this day from all the times i rolled it, smh. The arthritis gonna go crazy when im older, smh.


I'm living that right now with my ankle and my knee, man.



ya'll's own fault for being athletic my friends. :D

Kidding of course. I mean my knees are totally shot at this point even without a serious injury so I can empathize a bit. Got to ask do you guys have that clicking ankle with every step? So many old ballers I know have that. Sounds awful.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#510 » by tsherkin » Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:50 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:ya'll's own fault for being athletic my friends. :D

Kidding of course. I mean my knees are totally shot at this point even without a serious injury so I can empathize a bit. Got to ask do you guys have that clicking ankle with every step? So many old ballers I know have that. Sounds awful.


I mean, I slowly adapted over time. My game these days when I do play is purely ground-bound, haha. And to be fair, my knees are shrecked due to years of doing GSAR in swamps and other horrible terrain.

I have clicking EVERYTHING. I demonstrate crepitus to my EMR students by kneeling and standing up, too xD I have to sleep with something under/between my knees because they try to hyperextend otherwise. The litany goes on.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#511 » by itsxtray » Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:59 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
itsxtray wrote:My left ankle is still cooked to this day from all the times i rolled it, smh. The arthritis gonna go crazy when im older, smh.


I'm living that right now with my ankle and my knee, man.



ya'll's own fault for being athletic my friends. :D

Kidding of course. I mean my knees are totally shot at this point even without a serious injury so I can empathize a bit. Got to ask do you guys have that clicking ankle with every step? So many old ballers I know have that. Sounds awful.

Not while walking but my ankle is still tender to the touch and if i rotate it, it cracks every rotation
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Post#512 » by MyUniBroDavis » Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:29 am

itsxtray wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
I'm living that right now with my ankle and my knee, man.



ya'll's own fault for being athletic my friends. :D

Kidding of course. I mean my knees are totally shot at this point even without a serious injury so I can empathize a bit. Got to ask do you guys have that clicking ankle with every step? So many old ballers I know have that. Sounds awful.

Not while walking but my ankle is still tender to the touch and if i rotate it, it cracks every rotation


Had a grade 2-3 a month and a half ago, the vert really aint the same right now a week after I got cleared, kinda sucks
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Post#513 » by itsxtray » Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:50 am

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
itsxtray wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:

ya'll's own fault for being athletic my friends. :D

Kidding of course. I mean my knees are totally shot at this point even without a serious injury so I can empathize a bit. Got to ask do you guys have that clicking ankle with every step? So many old ballers I know have that. Sounds awful.

Not while walking but my ankle is still tender to the touch and if i rotate it, it cracks every rotation


Had a grade 2-3 a month and a half ago, the vert really aint the same right now a week after I got cleared, kinda sucks

Yep, it'll probably always be tender at least that's my experience and i last rolled my ankle 7-8 years ago. I rolled it and the first game back i grabbed a rebound and came down on a foot and rolled it again :lol: i got x-rays & an mri and i had a hairline fracture and a build up of scar tissue that i'd have to get surgery to clean out which my insurance wouldn't cover so i said F it. Hope your ankles fare better than mine bruh.
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Post#514 » by MyUniBroDavis » Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:08 am

itsxtray wrote:
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itsxtray wrote:Not while walking but my ankle is still tender to the touch and if i rotate it, it cracks every rotation


Had a grade 2-3 a month and a half ago, the vert really aint the same right now a week after I got cleared, kinda sucks

Yep, it'll probably always be tender at least that's my experience and i last rolled my ankle 7-8 years ago. I rolled it and the first game back i grabbed a rebound and came down on a foot and rolled it again :lol: i got x-rays & an mri and i had a hairline fracture and a build up of scar tissue that i'd have to get surgery to clean out which my insurance wouldn't cover so i said F it. Hope your ankles fare better than mone bruh.


Jesus I don’t think mines that bad lol

I’m hoping I’ll get my jump back a month from now ish, feel that’s a realistic goal definately athletically still declined but not nearly as bad as my last injury rehab situation lol
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Post#515 » by itsxtray » Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:50 am

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
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Had a grade 2-3 a month and a half ago, the vert really aint the same right now a week after I got cleared, kinda sucks

Yep, it'll probably always be tender at least that's my experience and i last rolled my ankle 7-8 years ago. I rolled it and the first game back i grabbed a rebound and came down on a foot and rolled it again :lol: i got x-rays & an mri and i had a hairline fracture and a build up of scar tissue that i'd have to get surgery to clean out which my insurance wouldn't cover so i said F it. Hope your ankles fare better than mone bruh.


Jesus I don’t think mines that bad lol

I’m hoping I’ll get my jump back a month from now ish, feel that’s a realistic goal definately athletically still declined but not nearly as bad as my last injury rehab situation lol

You should be good. Once i healed i was just as athletic as i'd always been just with ankle soreness but i'd always ice it after games so it wasn't too bad. I've since stopped playing and just lift weights now so I'm good
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Post#516 » by tsherkin » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:24 am

itsxtray wrote:
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itsxtray wrote:Yep, it'll probably always be tender at least that's my experience and i last rolled my ankle 7-8 years ago. I rolled it and the first game back i grabbed a rebound and came down on a foot and rolled it again :lol: i got x-rays & an mri and i had a hairline fracture and a build up of scar tissue that i'd have to get surgery to clean out which my insurance wouldn't cover so i said F it. Hope your ankles fare better than mone bruh.


Jesus I don’t think mines that bad lol

I’m hoping I’ll get my jump back a month from now ish, feel that’s a realistic goal definately athletically still declined but not nearly as bad as my last injury rehab situation lol

You should be good. Once i healed i was just as athletic as i'd always been just with ankle soreness but i'd always ice it after games so it wasn't too bad. I've since stopped playing and just lift weights now so I'm good


Rehab helps, for sure. My ankles aren't amazing, but they're better than they were. And a month on, it looks like my knee is finally starting to get back towards normal. It just takes longer than it used to, hey? Hehe.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#517 » by The-Power » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:32 pm

Keegan Murray is awesome. Fun to watch and all about business. I'm excited to see just how good he can become over time.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#518 » by parsnips33 » Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:44 pm

Are the Nuggets gonna lose a step after letting some key bench pieces in Brown and Green? Reminds me somewhat of Warriors letting GP and Otto walk after the ring.

Granted Nuggets still have a lot of continuity in the starting unit
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Post#519 » by Doctor MJ » Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:17 pm

parsnips33 wrote:Are the Nuggets gonna lose a step after letting some key bench pieces in Brown and Green? Reminds me somewhat of Warriors letting GP and Otto walk after the ring.

Granted Nuggets still have a lot of continuity in the starting unit


I think often championship teams go in one of two directions:

1. A hangover where they struggle to maintain the magic.
2. A euphoria where they're more bought in than ever before.

My guess would be that for a team that's young and without a lot of ego-drama that they'll be better this regular season than last assuming no major injuries disrupt them.

If they do that they'll go into the playoffs as the favorite...where of course such teams often such teams hit a snag, so we'll see what happens.

And yeah, depth is a major concern for the team, and frankly would have been even if they'd kept Brown, but obviously, it's all the more so now.
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Post#520 » by parsnips33 » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:51 pm

This Terry Stotts thing is really weird right? Feels like they were really touting the Dame-Stotts relationship post trade, so I find his stepping down to be pretty surprising

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