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Post#481 » by Turk Nowitzki » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:31 pm

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Turk Nowitzki wrote:Maybe they're being diplomatic but it sure reads like nothing crazy happened and his heart just wasn't in it.


I guess it depends if you believe the players or the reporters. Reporters are basically saying there was a disagreement, players are saying his heart wasn't in it, and Griff basically ignored the question

In what way? He pretty clearly did not ignore the question.
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Post#482 » by MVP2110 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:35 pm

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Turk Nowitzki wrote:Maybe they're being diplomatic but it sure reads like nothing crazy happened and his heart just wasn't in it.


I guess it depends if you believe the players or the reporters. Reporters are basically saying there was a disagreement, players are saying his heart wasn't in it, and Griff basically ignored the question

In what way?

When asked why Terry left he said "you'll have to ask him"

Thats ignoring the question.
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Re: Stotts Steps Down 

Post#483 » by Tuxedo38 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:36 pm

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Turk Nowitzki wrote:Maybe they're being diplomatic but it sure reads like nothing crazy happened and his heart just wasn't in it.


I guess it depends if you believe the players or the reporters. Reporters are basically saying there was a disagreement, players are saying his heart wasn't in it, and Griff basically ignored the question


Could be a bit of both. The offense Stotts runs isn't the type of offense that Griffin wants to run and Terry isn't up to the challenge of coaching AND learning a different offense on the fly.
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Post#484 » by Turk Nowitzki » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:39 pm

MVP2110 wrote:
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I guess it depends if you believe the players or the reporters. Reporters are basically saying there was a disagreement, players are saying his heart wasn't in it, and Griff basically ignored the question

In what way?

When asked why Terry left he said "you'll have to ask him"

Thats ignoring the question.

You're pulling that one line out of his entire answer as your evidence? He may not have divulged much specific information but he definitely didn't "ignore the question".

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Post#485 » by MVP2110 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:41 pm

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Turk Nowitzki wrote:In what way?

When asked why Terry left he said "you'll have to ask him"

Thats ignoring the question.

You're pulling one line out of his entire answer as evidence? He may not have divulged internal information but he definitely didn't "ignore the question".

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What I meant by ignore was he didn't give a reason for Terry leaving. That's all I meant by it
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Post#486 » by soxperry » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:42 pm

I think if this were Terry dealing w personal matters we would get a little more info. So i dont buy that this is strictly terry making a personal decision thats not related to the dynamics if working with the bucks. Oh well
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Post#487 » by Karsenmitsche » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:51 pm

The JS article wouldn’t have specifically mentioned how Terry is actively looking for a new coaching role if it was anything to do with his heart not being in it.
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Post#488 » by crowhead76 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:00 pm

Karsenmitsche wrote:The JS article wouldn’t have specifically mentioned how Terry is actively looking for a new coaching role if it was anything to do with his heart not being in it.



Maybe Terry just did not want to work the way Griffin expected his assistants to work. Maybe coaching for Terry at this point in his career is more so on his own terms and not the expectations from a first time head coach who holds everyone to the exact same standard, maybe Terry believed he was above that.
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Post#489 » by crowhead76 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:01 pm

Adrian Griffin Quotes:

“One of my beliefs that I try to live by is that better people make better players.”

“Adversity is the opportunity to show your character, show what you’re made of.”

“He [Scott Skiles] said, ‘Why don’t you join my staff?’ And I do believe it was a reflection of not just me but of all the values that my father taught me growing up because he was my role model . . he taught me some important values and principles to live by.”

“I did not get drafted out of college . . I spent three years in the CBA . . it was there where I learned sacrifice and hard work. My coach Tyler Jones would work with me every day for an hour before practice and an hour after practice.”

“He [Tyler Jones] gave himself so unselfishly not just to me, but to the other players that wanted to work. He was always available, always accessible.”

“Those four words, ‘I believe in you,’ are so powerful . . When they [players] truly believe that you are invested in their goals and their dreams . . you can build a relationship with a player that becomes . . a lifelong type of relationship and commitment.”

[On interviewing for a coaching job in the NBA] “You’re going to have to go in there and articulate who you are as a coach and as a person. So, when you’re developing your coaching philosophy, in essence, you’re really coming up with values that say, ‘This is who I am.’”

“Your coaching philosophy can consist of many things but I think it depends on the emphasis that you want to take as a coach . . but you want to be open as well because no one knows everything.”

“When I started to really think about my coaching philosophy and where to start, I began to think about my playing career and think about the coaches who got the best out of me and why, and how they made me feel.”

“I’m not a yeller. I would rather hold you accountable with our values . . let your values be the bad guy. When you come in with a set of values and you hold players accountable to those, all you have to do is go back and say, ‘Okay, this is what we agreed on.’”

“That’s one of the lessons I pass on to my players . . if you’re not playing . . control what you can control. Be faithful over showing up every day with a great attitude. Be faithful over your conditioning and your preparation.”

“Tom Thibodeau used to say, ‘Your roles are different, but the work is the same.’ Everyone has different roles and you have to embrace them and accept them but the work should be the same for everyone and that’s to show up with the right mindset of putting the team first.”

“To me, that’s the accountability part . . am I doing everything that I possibly can to help my team win? . . as a coach, am I being the change that I want to see?”

“The formula for success is ability plus coachability equals success . . and so leaving your ego at the door, to me, is a very powerful value for any organization.”

“As coaches, when we’re holding them to a higher standard, we’re making withdrawals from them, we’re asking them to give us something, so it’s important that we give back to them . . refill their cup.”

“Your values are important but what’s more important is putting action behind those values. So, when you’re creating those values, it’s important to add an action statement to those values.”

“It’s important that you do take that time to sit down with each player to get to know them, get to know their motivations . . So you want to ask them, ‘What do you want to get out of this? What are your goals?’ . . that’s going to allow you to be open so that you’re able to share with them your goals and the goals for the team.”

“That’s what this is all about when you’re talking about your coaching philosophy and your values, it’s about you continuing to strive as a coach, how you become better and better at your craft . . the players can’t get better unless the coaches are getting better.”
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Post#490 » by chonestown » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:05 pm

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Thanks already been lead assistant for rec basketball loved it but no time now


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Post#491 » by crowhead76 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:06 pm

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Post#492 » by Epicurus » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:06 pm

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Karsenmitsche wrote:The JS article wouldn’t have specifically mentioned how Terry is actively looking for a new coaching role if it was anything to do with his heart not being in it.



Maybe Terry just did not want to work the way Griffin expected his assistants to work. Maybe coaching for Terry at this point in his career is more so on his own terms and not the expectations from a first time head coach who holds everyone to the exact same standard, maybe Terry believed he was above that.
I am sure the Griffin and Stotts had an agreement on Stotts' activity expectations prior to the hiring. Maybe that agreement was "modified."
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Post#493 » by FrieAaron » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:09 pm

MVP2110 wrote:What I meant by ignore was he didn't give a reason for Terry leaving. That's all I meant by it


He might have just meant that he didn't think it was for him to give Terry's reasons for leaving if he didn't want it known. I agree if that's what he meant it could have been communicated better, though.
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Post#494 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:11 pm

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Karsenmitsche wrote:The JS article wouldn’t have specifically mentioned how Terry is actively looking for a new coaching role if it was anything to do with his heart not being in it.



Maybe Terry just did not want to work the way Griffin expected his assistants to work. Maybe coaching for Terry at this point in his career is more so on his own terms and not the expectations from a first time head coach who holds everyone to the exact same standard, maybe Terry believed he was above that.
I am sure the Griffin and Stotts had an agreement on Stotts' activity expectations prior to the hiring. Maybe that agreement was "modified."

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Post#495 » by Balls2TheWalls » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:14 pm

If that is the case... why would AG push toward wanting more control of the offense? I feel like even he admitted he was not an offensive guy that was why Stotts was here.
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Post#496 » by Karsenmitsche » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:17 pm

Balls2TheWalls wrote:If that is the case... why would AG push toward wanting more control of the offense? I feel like even he admitted he was not an offensive guy that was why Stotts was here.


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Post#497 » by tedbrogen » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:21 pm

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The not screaming at players is a big positive I take away. That might work in the short term but it’s not going to work in the long term with guys that make that much money. They’ll just check out mentally after a while. We saw it with Skiles and Kidd. The Bulls almost had a team mutiny based on a coach who was all stick and no carrot.

Never understood the need to scream at players to motivate them. You control playing time, that’s the ultimate carrot.
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Post#498 » by tedbrogen » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:22 pm

Balls2TheWalls wrote:If that is the case... why would AG push toward wanting more control of the offense? I feel like even he admitted he was not an offensive guy that was why Stotts was here.


Does anyone really need to control this offense now with Dame? Just spam Dame/Giannis PnR anytime you need a bucket.
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Post#499 » by RiotPunch » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:31 pm

Dame sounds good, all things considered. Seems upbeat, which is relieving to me.
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Post#500 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:36 pm

Just like with all the weird Bud "play random" criticism, it's like some of you guys think the coach is drawing up every single set and play in real-time that the team is gonna run and controlling them like NBA 2K avatars. I'm way more concerned about how Griffin's defensive scheme is implemented. The offense will be fine.

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