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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#181 » by mpharris36 » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:02 pm

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Nah MP, you and some of the others were speaking very boldly about how you can’t even begin to judge the quarterback based on the state of the offensive line. I even asked you if you saw any opportunities for improvement from DJ and you said there was nothing to be coached on. It was never his fault. Now we have a different quarterback and it’s clear that as bad as the Oline has been ole Danny Boy was leaving way too much meat on the bone. No explosive plays. Clear misses. It was never his fault though. Even now you can’t even admit the obvious: that the offense has looked much, much better with Tyrod. Talking to some of you about jones is like talking to your woman when she’s clearly wrong but she still won’t apologize lol.



and yet we are scoring the exact same amount of pts with Barkley back and Pugh who has helped stabilize the offensive line and our defense is playing lights out at the start of these games.

Much much better is crazy, Tyrod has connected on more deep balls yes (Washington gives up a ton of them). No doubt and hopefully we DJ comes back he isn't as shell shocked with the oline to take more deep shots, so I give Tylor credit there. Are you going to be fair and say he also cost us the Bills game by audibling to a run costing us a TD and at least 3 which would have won that game...you would have killed DJ if that was him.

Or the overthrow on the 3rd and 2 late in the game to Wandale yesterday where we had to punt when the game was in the balance. Or the stagnant offense in the 2nd half?

You just hate DJ, but are acting like we are playing some elite offense with Tyrod. Tyrod is doing a very solid job as a backup. I have no complaints but he isn't the starter.


No one said elite; don’t put words in peoples mouths. But the same way you could watch that game and others and find opportunities to critique Taylor in a game where he played well when you couldn’t do that during Jones’s games is showing your bias. It’s not that I don’t like Jones; it’s that I’ve watched him play is all. Taylor has played better than Jones. Full stop. And if the output is still the same but Jones makes 35 million more then the situation is more dire than we can imagine.


and don't put words in my mouth, I never said Daniel Jones was playing well early in the year. All I said is the poor play is very much reflected on our revolving offensive line door and losing our best weapon in Barkley. Now that doesn't excuse Daniel Jones for some of the mistakes he was making before the injury.

But they currently aren't playing under the same circumstances or vs the same level of competition. As long as you can acknowledge that then we are good. I am pleased Tyrod is playing solid. That still doesn't change my opinion that we should be a more dynamic offense with Jones playing.
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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#182 » by TerrenceClarke » Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:23 pm

mpharris36 wrote: That still doesn't change my opinion that we should be a more dynamic offense with Jones playing.


Because of what? it cant be cause of the past seasons. When has Jones ever been a dynamic thrower?. What make us more Dynamic with Jones..... when Daboll actually doesnt even trust Jones to be Dynamic?

You would have to be Blind to not see that the playbook has opened up with Taylor Vs Jones.

You have nothing to base this statement on at all....

If anything, you got everything going against you cause Taylor CLEARLY looks better in this offense than Jones. Its not even close. Like I said before....you would give credit to the world... before you say that Taylor is a better QB than Jones.....

You are bias...

all since last off season you praised Jones for having a playoff win, when I KEPT saying that that the vikings ranked almost dead last...

Yet you were quick to tell people to relax because of Wasshingtons secondary....

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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#183 » by mpharris36 » Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:30 pm

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mpharris36 wrote: That still doesn't change my opinion that we should be a more dynamic offense with Jones playing.


Because of what? it cant be cause of the past seasons. When has Jones ever been a dynamic thrower?. What make us more Dynamic with Jones..... when Daboll actually doesnt even trust Jones to be Dynamic?

You would have to be Blind to not see that the playbook has opened up with Taylor Vs Jones.

You have nothing to base this statement on at all....

If anything, you got everything going against you cause Taylor CLEARLY looks better in this offense than Jones. Its not even close. Like I said before....you would give credit to the world... before you say that Taylor is a better QB than Jones.....

You are bias...

all since last off season you praised Jones for having a playoff win, when I KEPT saying that that the vikings ranked almost dead last...

Yet you were quick to tell people to relax because of Wasshingtons secondary....

You def playing one side different than the other....IJS.



And yet we scored 31 pts in that game on the road and only 14 yesterday. When both secondaries stink. :dontknow:
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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#184 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:42 pm

F N 11 wrote:That post game presser wow. Seemed like Brian Dabol adjusted his coaching style from getting frustrated as all humans do and seems to be reeling the team back in. Says he is proud of them and we are right there.


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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#185 » by TerrenceClarke » Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:46 pm

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mpharris36 wrote: That still doesn't change my opinion that we should be a more dynamic offense with Jones playing.


Because of what? it cant be cause of the past seasons. When has Jones ever been a dynamic thrower?. What make us more Dynamic with Jones..... when Daboll actually doesnt even trust Jones to be Dynamic?

You would have to be Blind to not see that the playbook has opened up with Taylor Vs Jones.

You have nothing to base this statement on at all....

If anything, you got everything going against you cause Taylor CLEARLY looks better in this offense than Jones. Its not even close. Like I said before....you would give credit to the world... before you say that Taylor is a better QB than Jones.....

You are bias...

all since last off season you praised Jones for having a playoff win, when I KEPT saying that that the vikings ranked almost dead last...

Yet you were quick to tell people to relax because of Wasshingtons secondary....

You def playing one side different than the other....IJS.



And yet we scored 31 pts in that game on the road and only 14 yesterday. When both secondaries stink. :dontknow:


now you playing games cause you know damn why that happened. That was because of the OFFENSIVE LINE breaking down in the second half. The Left side couldnt block for schit.

That had nothing to do with Taylor at all. If the line would have played like they did in the first half...Ytalyor would prob dropped 30+ on them.

You are so bais for Jones you dont see the holes in the arguments you create.

Even Daboll wont commit to Jones.... But here you are saying the offense is more Dynamic when its CLEARLY not. Everywhere in the NFL world (fans/media) people are saying that Taylor is playing better and there is a QB controversy growing...but you the only one who sits here and act like Jones is clearly the better player and its still not a debate.


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Following Taylor’s solid performance, Giants coach Brian Daboll was asked whether there is an argument for Taylor to remain the starter even when Jones becomes healthy. Daboll’s answer left the door wide open for a quarterback controversy and almost certainly will be a talking point over the next few days

“I’ll just say Tyrod had a good game this game. He’s a true pro, and I’m glad we got him,” Daboll told reporters.



No Coach would speak like that about the back up for Josh Allen or Mat Stafford etc. They would say we love what X Back up is doing but X Starter is still the starter....

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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#186 » by mpharris36 » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:16 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:
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Because of what? it cant be cause of the past seasons. When has Jones ever been a dynamic thrower?. What make us more Dynamic with Jones..... when Daboll actually doesnt even trust Jones to be Dynamic?

You would have to be Blind to not see that the playbook has opened up with Taylor Vs Jones.

You have nothing to base this statement on at all....

If anything, you got everything going against you cause Taylor CLEARLY looks better in this offense than Jones. Its not even close. Like I said before....you would give credit to the world... before you say that Taylor is a better QB than Jones.....

You are bias...

all since last off season you praised Jones for having a playoff win, when I KEPT saying that that the vikings ranked almost dead last...

Yet you were quick to tell people to relax because of Wasshingtons secondary....

You def playing one side different than the other....IJS.



And yet we scored 31 pts in that game on the road and only 14 yesterday. When both secondaries stink. :dontknow:


now you playing games cause you know damn why that happened. That was because of the OFFENSIVE LINE breaking down in the second half. The Left side couldnt block for schit.

That had nothing to do with Taylor at all. If the line would have played like they did in the first half...Ytalyor would prob dropped 30+ on them.

You are so bais for Jones you dont see the holes in the arguments you create.

Even Daboll wont commit to Jones.... But here you are saying the offense is more Dynamic when its CLEARLY not. Everywhere in the NFL world (fans/media) people are saying that Taylor is playing better and there is a QB controversy growing...but you the only one who sits here and act like Jones is clearly the better player and its still not a debate.


Giants’ Brian Daboll Sparks QB Controversy By Not Committing to Daniel Jones



Following Taylor’s solid performance, Giants coach Brian Daboll was asked whether there is an argument for Taylor to remain the starter even when Jones becomes healthy. Daboll’s answer left the door wide open for a quarterback controversy and almost certainly will be a talking point over the next few days

“I’ll just say Tyrod had a good game this game. He’s a true pro, and I’m glad we got him,” Daboll told reporters.



No Coach would speak like that about the back up for Josh Allen or Mat Stafford etc. They would say we love what X Back up is doing but X Starter is still the starter....

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Well you are also proving my point as well. You aren't blaming Tyrod for the 2nd half 0 pts (which is fine). I don't necessarily blame his play for why we scored 0 pts in 2nd half, outside of that one poor throw to wandale that would have kept a drive going...but Jones gets the blame for basically facing that similar issue of line play earlier in the year.

I agree a QB outside of maybe Mahomes is reliant on getting at least adequate Oline play. We didn't get that in the 2nd half and we sure as hell didn't get that for most of the time DJ was out there earlier in the year. Pugh has helped stabilize a bi and bredeson getting more comfortable at center now that he's played there has helped a bit.

But my main reason to say we were more dynamic is Jones outside of Lamar and Fields is probably the most dynamic running QB. I think that gives us way more potential especially in the Red zone. We had a really solid RedZone stats last year and having that run/pass weapon I believe helps a lot.

Tyrod can scramble on a pass but you dont really design a rushing game with him in mind because he can't take those hits.

I won't comment on your speculation of what Daboll means. He also said a week ago there was no QB controversy. But in the meantime I'm happy with the way Tyrod has performed.
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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#187 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:03 am

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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#188 » by Synciere » Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:19 am

Deeeez Knicks wrote:How do the eagles keep getting away with this?

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Philly has been good to great for a looooomg time. They have the luxury of making moves that consistently make them better for the current year. Most Giants fans want us to be sellers at the TDL.
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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#189 » by Synciere » Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:21 am

mpharris36 wrote:
TerrenceClarke wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:

And yet we scored 31 pts in that game on the road and only 14 yesterday. When both secondaries stink. :dontknow:


now you playing games cause you know damn why that happened. That was because of the OFFENSIVE LINE breaking down in the second half. The Left side couldnt block for schit.

That had nothing to do with Taylor at all. If the line would have played like they did in the first half...Ytalyor would prob dropped 30+ on them.

You are so bais for Jones you dont see the holes in the arguments you create.

Even Daboll wont commit to Jones.... But here you are saying the offense is more Dynamic when its CLEARLY not. Everywhere in the NFL world (fans/media) people are saying that Taylor is playing better and there is a QB controversy growing...but you the only one who sits here and act like Jones is clearly the better player and its still not a debate.


Giants’ Brian Daboll Sparks QB Controversy By Not Committing to Daniel Jones



Following Taylor’s solid performance, Giants coach Brian Daboll was asked whether there is an argument for Taylor to remain the starter even when Jones becomes healthy. Daboll’s answer left the door wide open for a quarterback controversy and almost certainly will be a talking point over the next few days

“I’ll just say Tyrod had a good game this game. He’s a true pro, and I’m glad we got him,” Daboll told reporters.



No Coach would speak like that about the back up for Josh Allen or Mat Stafford etc. They would say we love what X Back up is doing but X Starter is still the starter....

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Well you are also proving my point as well. You aren't blaming Tyrod for the 2nd half 0 pts (which is fine). I don't necessarily blame his play for why we scored 0 pts in 2nd half, outside of that one poor throw to wandale that would have kept a drive going...but Jones gets the blame for basically facing that similar issue of line play earlier in the year.

I agree a QB outside of maybe Mahomes is reliant on getting at least adequate Oline play. We didn't get that in the 2nd half and we sure as hell didn't get that for most of the time DJ was out there earlier in the year. Pugh has helped stabilize a bi and bredeson getting more comfortable at center now that he's played there has helped a bit.

But my main reason to say we were more dynamic is Jones outside of Lamar and Fields is probably the most dynamic running QB. I think that gives us way more potential especially in the Red zone. We had a really solid RedZone stats last year and having that run/pass weapon I believe helps a lot.

Tyrod can scramble on a pass but you dont really design a rushing game with him in mind because he can't take those hits.

I won't comment on your speculation of what Daboll means. He also said a week ago there was no QB controversy. But in the meantime I'm happy with the way Tyrod has performed.


Have you been happy with the play of Daniel Jones?
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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#190 » by Synciere » Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:21 am

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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#191 » by mpharris36 » Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:04 am

Synciere wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
TerrenceClarke wrote:
now you playing games cause you know damn why that happened. That was because of the OFFENSIVE LINE breaking down in the second half. The Left side couldnt block for schit.

That had nothing to do with Taylor at all. If the line would have played like they did in the first half...Ytalyor would prob dropped 30+ on them.

You are so bais for Jones you dont see the holes in the arguments you create.

Even Daboll wont commit to Jones.... But here you are saying the offense is more Dynamic when its CLEARLY not. Everywhere in the NFL world (fans/media) people are saying that Taylor is playing better and there is a QB controversy growing...but you the only one who sits here and act like Jones is clearly the better player and its still not a debate.








No Coach would speak like that about the back up for Josh Allen or Mat Stafford etc. They would say we love what X Back up is doing but X Starter is still the starter....

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Well you are also proving my point as well. You aren't blaming Tyrod for the 2nd half 0 pts (which is fine). I don't necessarily blame his play for why we scored 0 pts in 2nd half, outside of that one poor throw to wandale that would have kept a drive going...but Jones gets the blame for basically facing that similar issue of line play earlier in the year.

I agree a QB outside of maybe Mahomes is reliant on getting at least adequate Oline play. We didn't get that in the 2nd half and we sure as hell didn't get that for most of the time DJ was out there earlier in the year. Pugh has helped stabilize a bi and bredeson getting more comfortable at center now that he's played there has helped a bit.

But my main reason to say we were more dynamic is Jones outside of Lamar and Fields is probably the most dynamic running QB. I think that gives us way more potential especially in the Red zone. We had a really solid RedZone stats last year and having that run/pass weapon I believe helps a lot.

Tyrod can scramble on a pass but you dont really design a rushing game with him in mind because he can't take those hits.

I won't comment on your speculation of what Daboll means. He also said a week ago there was no QB controversy. But in the meantime I'm happy with the way Tyrod has performed.


Have you been happy with the play of Daniel Jones?



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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#192 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:24 pm

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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#193 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:27 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
TerrenceClarke wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:

And yet we scored 31 pts in that game on the road and only 14 yesterday. When both secondaries stink. :dontknow:


now you playing games cause you know damn why that happened. That was because of the OFFENSIVE LINE breaking down in the second half. The Left side couldnt block for schit.

That had nothing to do with Taylor at all. If the line would have played like they did in the first half...Ytalyor would prob dropped 30+ on them.

You are so bais for Jones you dont see the holes in the arguments you create.

Even Daboll wont commit to Jones.... But here you are saying the offense is more Dynamic when its CLEARLY not. Everywhere in the NFL world (fans/media) people are saying that Taylor is playing better and there is a QB controversy growing...but you the only one who sits here and act like Jones is clearly the better player and its still not a debate.


Giants’ Brian Daboll Sparks QB Controversy By Not Committing to Daniel Jones



Following Taylor’s solid performance, Giants coach Brian Daboll was asked whether there is an argument for Taylor to remain the starter even when Jones becomes healthy. Daboll’s answer left the door wide open for a quarterback controversy and almost certainly will be a talking point over the next few days

“I’ll just say Tyrod had a good game this game. He’s a true pro, and I’m glad we got him,” Daboll told reporters.



No Coach would speak like that about the back up for Josh Allen or Mat Stafford etc. They would say we love what X Back up is doing but X Starter is still the starter....

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Well you are also proving my point as well. You aren't blaming Tyrod for the 2nd half 0 pts (which is fine). I don't necessarily blame his play for why we scored 0 pts in 2nd half, outside of that one poor throw to wandale that would have kept a drive going...but Jones gets the blame for basically facing that similar issue of line play earlier in the year.

I agree a QB outside of maybe Mahomes is reliant on getting at least adequate Oline play. We didn't get that in the 2nd half and we sure as hell didn't get that for most of the time DJ was out there earlier in the year. Pugh has helped stabilize a bi and bredeson getting more comfortable at center now that he's played there has helped a bit.

But my main reason to say we were more dynamic is Jones outside of Lamar and Fields is probably the most dynamic running QB. I think that gives us way more potential especially in the Red zone. We had a really solid RedZone stats last year and having that run/pass weapon I believe helps a lot.

Tyrod can scramble on a pass but you dont really design a rushing game with him in mind because he can't take those hits.

I won't comment on your speculation of what Daboll means. He also said a week ago there was no QB controversy. But in the meantime I'm happy with the way Tyrod has performed.


Tyrod in that 2nd half was getting mauled just like Jones was. I don't see how we're getting too high or too low on either guy honestly. Hopefully when we get AT back and with Pugh in there now (any word on JMS? Bredeson needs to go back to G), we can at least have a serviceable, average quality line for the 2nd half of the season. Then the evaluation can really begin.
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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#194 » by KOA » Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:08 pm

The Giants signed Gunner Olszewski to their practice squad.

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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#195 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:15 am



Tyre Phillips looks a lot better against a fairly decent pass rush on the edge than Evan Neal does, but the problem is that Phillips isn't that much better :lol: .
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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#196 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:48 pm



I dunno if Danny is spoken for, but I've seen 5 weeks of these interviews with Kay and if he doesn't shoot his shot, he deserves to be benched indefinitely.
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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#197 » by DOT » Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:06 pm

Fun fact time

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The Jags have won 5 games so far this year. That is currently tied for 4th most wins in a season under Shad.
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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#198 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:36 pm

DOT wrote:Fun fact time

Shad Khan has owned the Jags for 12 years

The Jags have won 5 games so far this year. That is currently tied for 4th most wins in a season under Shad.


That's what I call growth.
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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#199 » by mpharris36 » Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:48 pm

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DOT wrote:Fun fact time

Shad Khan has owned the Jags for 12 years

The Jags have won 5 games so far this year. That is currently tied for 4th most wins in a season under Shad.


That's what I call growth.


a franchise QB can overcome a **** owner :lol:
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Re: OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2 

Post#200 » by DOT » Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:52 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
DOT wrote:Fun fact time

Shad Khan has owned the Jags for 12 years

The Jags have won 5 games so far this year. That is currently tied for 4th most wins in a season under Shad.


That's what I call growth.


a franchise QB can overcome a **** owner :lol:

Shad tried his hardest to f*ck it up though

Both with hiring Urban and keeping Baalke on.
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