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Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#861 » by canada_dry » Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:28 pm

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tdotrep2 wrote:scottie needs to be the help guy, im not putting him on other teams guards. We should be finding matchups for him where he can roam, only when needed put him on the other teams skill guy barring its a speedy guard

Raptors won't be going away from Scottie defending guards anytime soon. The main adjustment during the 2nd half of the Wizards was putting Scottie on Tyus Jones.



Nick Nurse last year had Scottie playing this dumb over aggressive defense so he should be way better guarding smaller guys this time around not playing like that.
Still dont want him defending point guards. Its just not the best way to utilize him. If preseason is any indication Darko recognizes that, which is great.

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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#862 » by canada_dry » Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:29 pm

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TheAlchemist23 wrote:Raptors won't be going away from Scottie defending guards anytime soon. The main adjustment during the 2nd half of the Wizards was putting Scottie on Tyus Jones.



Nick Nurse last year had Scottie playing this dumb over aggressive defense so he should be way better guarding smaller guys this time around not playing like that.


I think Scottie prefers playing that dumb defence as well, Scottie has been defending like that since he was in grade 9.

I hope Darko reigns it in and makes him more of an offball defender.
Darko has him much better positioned for success in the preseason. Lets hope that continues.

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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#863 » by tsherkin » Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:42 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:The game is a lot faster now, with a lot more possessions and every player is expected to at least try defensively. I think this is a big reason most stars are in the 33-36 range now.


No, that's BS. The game is still slower than it was in the 80s and earlier, so raw tempo isn't an issue compared to back when guys were routinely asked to play 40+ mpg.

ATLTimekeeper wrote:A decade ago the league leading team in pace would have been last in pace in 2023. Decades and decades of guys grabbing their shorts while the point guard walked the ball up the floor or threw it into a big man for an 8 count post move.


Sure, but that was a comparatively brief blip in time compared to the like half-century before that. Mid-90s and back, the pace was comparable or faster to what it is now. There was a solid decade where some teams were averaging like 120 possessions per game, and 100-110 was quite common even in the 80s.

I think he was a very good iso scorer last year. Pretty good post player. I wouldn't take too much of those away from him. The other guys need to get better, so that teams can't stack up against him as quickly.


Those were decent possessions for him, as I've discussed multiple times. But his overall efficiency is pretty bad, and maintaining high-volume isos isn't really going to help that. So we need to replace SOME of his possessions with better off-ball stuff. Doing that by way of Scottie seems a sensible thing.

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Yes, what I was saying is that he's not Doncic and we shouldn't use him that way. He's a great twitch athlete that can get a lot of advantages on the move and receiving the ball in motion.


Yeah, I'm with you on that.

Back to Siakam. When all your nice ball movement leads to nothing Siakam will get the ball and have his opportunities to Iso there (when the flow of the offense is countered by the D).


And that makes sense, circling back to ATL's remark, because Siakam was one of the better iso players in the league last year.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#864 » by YogurtProducer » Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:52 pm

tsherkin wrote:Sure, but that was a comparatively brief blip in time compared to the like half-century before that. Mid-90s and back, the pace was comparable or faster to what it is now. There was a solid decade where some teams were averaging like 120 possessions per game, and 100-110 was quite common even in the 80s.


103 was the highest pace in the 80s, not anywhere near 110.

I do think even if the # of possessions is not as high, there is a lot more running offensively. Running a fast break is not nearly as tiresome as being forced to work defensively, run thru screens, etc.

The pace in the 60s/70s was high because the skill was so much lower both offensively and defensively. Guys could not score as well back then so transition was extremely important, and on the flip side defenses were just stupid and did not stop transition. It is a different "type" of pace and players were maybe running more, but it was more of a track meet run and less of a lateral or herky jerky game like it is now that is much tougher on your body.

Edit: also - pace in the modern era is at about 100/game. The league has not been at 100/game since the 1988-89 season. The mid 90s was at 90-95ish/game which is what it stuck until about 2015 when the 3 point explosion happened.

I really think the 3 point shot popularized slowed the game down a bit initially. When the line got introduced the game slowed down. And then when it got shortened it slowed down even more. Teams could now score more in the halfcourt and did not have to sell out defensively to get in transition. and then sometime in the mid 2010's teams realized even a transition 3 point shot is still a more efficient shot than anything in the half court
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#865 » by Madvillainy2004 » Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:23 pm

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tsherkin wrote:Sure, but that was a comparatively brief blip in time compared to the like half-century before that. Mid-90s and back, the pace was comparable or faster to what it is now. There was a solid decade where some teams were averaging like 120 possessions per game, and 100-110 was quite common even in the 80s.


103 was the highest pace in the 80s, not anywhere near 110.

I do think even if the # of possessions is not as high, there is a lot more running offensively. Running a fast break is not nearly as tiresome as being forced to work defensively, run thru screens, etc.

The pace in the 60s/70s was high because the skill was so much lower both offensively and defensively. Guys could not score as well back then so transition was extremely important, and on the flip side defenses were just stupid and did not stop transition. It is a different "type" of pace and players were maybe running more, but it was more of a track meet run and less of a lateral or herky jerky game like it is now that is much tougher on your body.

Edit: also - pace in the modern era is at about 100/game. The league has not been at 100/game since the 1988-89 season. The mid 90s was at 90-95ish/game which is what it stuck until about 2015 when the 3 point explosion happened.

I really think the 3 point shot popularized slowed the game down a bit initially. When the line got introduced the game slowed down. And then when it got shortened it slowed down even more. Teams could now score more in the halfcourt and did not have to sell out defensively to get in transition. and then sometime in the mid 2010's teams realized even a transition 3 point shot is still a more efficient shot than anything in the half court


Defense is also harder now, most teams can go 5 out, most role players can hit 3s at a decent clip. The overall talent is ridiculous its harder to play a full game now. It's a much more exhausting game with how stretched the floor is. Guys like Magic and Bird could sink super deep into the paint when they guarded the ball. OG tries that and 90% of the PGs in the NBA will walk into a open 3.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#866 » by will » Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:46 pm

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Lets get this, goddammmit.
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Post#869 » by nikster » Thu Oct 26, 2023 1:56 am

Scottie looked so good as a helpside defender/rim protector today. 5 blocks and i think he got one more but his teammate got a foul so just stopped the and-1. More impressed with that than his offense today (not that he was bad). This was the best defensive game ive ever seen from him
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Post#870 » by Duffman100 » Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:03 am

nikster wrote:Scottie looked so good as a helpside defender/rim protector today. 5 blocks and i think he got one more but his teammate got a foul so just stopped the and-1. More impressed with that than his offense today (not that he was bad). This was the best defensive game ive ever seen from him


His entire game was just a string of polar opposites

Highlight reel blocks, lazy close outs.
Great passes, stupid turnovers.

More good than bad though.
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Post#871 » by hype_2004 » Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:03 am

nikster wrote:Scottie looked so good as a helpside defender/rim protector today. 5 blocks and i think he got one more but his teammate got a foul so just stopped the and-1. More impressed with that than his offense today (not that he was bad). This was the best defensive game ive ever seen from him


I'm excited by his defensive effort, he was changing shots and deflecting shots. If he consistently keeps this intensity all season I don't see any reason why he can't win DPOY or be in contention for the award.
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Post#872 » by HumbleRen » Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:09 am

He looked scared on offence when it wasn’t a fast break.

He needs to fix that if he wants to be the 2nd best player on the team this season. Them blocks though, sheesh.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#873 » by TorontoBarneys » Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:13 am

HumbleRen wrote:He looked scared on offence when it wasn’t a fast break.

He needs to fix that if he wants to be the 2nd best player on the team this season. Them blocks though, sheesh.


He'll go back to abusing Vucevic in the paint on Friday.
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Post#874 » by OakleyDokely » Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:13 am

Minny is one team Scottie can't bully inside because they play with so much size. Interested in seeing him against a more traditional team.

Dude did look like Giannis flying off the weak side for all those blocks.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6 

Post#875 » by HumbleRen » Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:15 am

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HumbleRen wrote:He looked scared on offence when it wasn’t a fast break.

He needs to fix that if he wants to be the 2nd best player on the team this season. Them blocks though, sheesh.


He'll go back to abusing Vucevic in the paint on Friday.

Yep. This was a real bad match up for players like Siakam and Scottie.
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Post#876 » by nikster » Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:18 am

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nikster wrote:Scottie looked so good as a helpside defender/rim protector today. 5 blocks and i think he got one more but his teammate got a foul so just stopped the and-1. More impressed with that than his offense today (not that he was bad). This was the best defensive game ive ever seen from him


His entire game was just a string of polar opposites

Highlight reel blocks, lazy close outs.
Great passes, stupid turnovers.

More good than bad though.

yeah a lot of unforced errors today for both teams. Scottie Showed more than enough to see the improvement on both ends, even if it didnt produce the results today
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Post#877 » by Basketball_Jones » Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:27 am

I think just a tough matchup for him with Gobert and Towns inside. Still, 16 shot attempts sure looks like he’s primed for a considerable uptick in scoring. That was even being passive when Flynn was on the floor and he kept deferring to him
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Post#878 » by Spates » Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:27 am

I'm with Reeko, top 15.

It's been awhile since I've been so impressed with an overall sloppy performance.
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Post#879 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:28 am

Didnt like his game tonight offensively but he still produced.
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Post#880 » by Psubs » Thu Oct 26, 2023 2:34 am

Duffman100 wrote:
nikster wrote:Scottie looked so good as a helpside defender/rim protector today. 5 blocks and i think he got one more but his teammate got a foul so just stopped the and-1. More impressed with that than his offense today (not that he was bad). This was the best defensive game ive ever seen from him


His entire game was just a string of polar opposites

Highlight reel blocks, lazy close outs.
Great passes, stupid turnovers.

More good than bad though.


He's like Rodman out there!!! More blocks instead of rebounds.
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