Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Crowder Out 8 Weeks

Post #661 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:21 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:
The O/U for Giannis is 28.5, for Dame it's 27.5. That seems about right.

Shaq and Kobe

Ron Swanson · Post #662 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:25 pm

Good to know that preferring Pat as the better role-player than defensive superstar Alex Caruso is just a bridge too far for some people.

rayallenscalves · Post #663 » by **rayallenscalves** » Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:42 pm

Put me in the camp of absolutely wanting Caruso over Pat. I've said it before: I don't know what Pat does well. I'll admit he's had a few big playoff games that has made him a made man among some, but there's definitely better options, a few already on the Bucks.

While I don't know what Pat does well, I know Caruso is an ELITE defender and much better ball handler and distributor. Pat is the better shooter, but not by as much as some may think as career splits are almost exactly the same. And if you're looking to replace any perceived loss of shooting, you can do that (and then some) with AJ.

Post #664 » by **Prez** » Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:50 pm

blazza18 wrote:God the Pat love gets a little over the top here at times

What was said in this thread that has been over the top?

FrieAaron · Post #665 » by **FrieAaron** » Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:51 pm

rayallenscalves wrote:Put me in the camp of absolutely wanting Caruso over Pat. I've said it before: I don't know what Pat does well. I'll admit he's had a few big playoff games that has made him a made man among some, but there's definitely better options, a few already on the Bucks.

While I don't know what Pat does well, I know Caruso is an ELITE defender and much better ball handler and distributor. Pat is the better shooter, but not by as much as some may think as career splits are almost exactly the same. And if you're looking to replace any perceived loss of shooting, you can do that (and then some) with AJ.

Aside from the shooting and not folding in the clutch Pat's a very good rebounder for his position.

German Athens · Post #666 » by **German Athens** » Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:01 pm

I do really like Caruso, and I’d like to have him on the team if the young guys don’t progress, but it’s just not all that urgent for me.

I also think Dre maps super closely to Caruso’s skillset, so even though Caruso is currently the better player, adding him wouldn’t be offering our team a different look. I value lineup versatility more than the returns from that acquisition.

Trading for him would be like trading Donte for a center that can play the brook role while he’s out injured, or trading minimal assets for a shooting guard that can replace the Donte role while he’s injured - they’re fine sensible moves, but they don’t offer anything new if your team finally gets healthy, or in the bucks case this year, your rookie proves to be worth rotation minutes.

If I’m looking at trades now, I’m looking for skillsets the bucks currently, assuredly or potentially, lack.

theFireBlanket · Post #667 » by **theFireBlanket** » Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:13 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:
The O/U for Giannis is 28.5, for Dame it's 27.5. That seems about right.

Shaq and Kobe

Kobe averaged 25ppg cumulativelty in their 3 championship seasons. 30ppg the season they lost to Detroit.

They have Khris, Brook, Bobby etc. Don't need to average over 30 but I wouldn't put it past them to do it anyway.

H2tObes · Post #668 » by **H2tObes** » Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:41 pm

Pats nothing special but he is a fantastic roleplayer as you can depend on him in the playoffs, how many guys have we brought in the last 6 years that just pissed their pants in the playoffs? Pats the opposite of that and thats probably his elite skill as a roleplayer (roleplayers rarely have truly ELITE skills)

Plossum · Post #669 » by **Plossum** » Fri Oct 27, 2023 3:11 am

Prez wrote:
blazza18 wrote:God the Pat love gets a little over the top here at times

What was said in this thread that has been over the top?

Eeyore gonna eeyore.

BroncoBuck · Post #670 » by **BroncoBuck** » Fri Oct 27, 2023 4:48 am

rayallenscalves wrote:Put me in the camp of absolutely wanting Caruso over Pat. I've said it before: I don't know what Pat does well. I'll admit he's had a few big playoff games that has made him a made man among some, but there's definitely better options, a few already on the Bucks.

While I don't know what Pat does well, I know Caruso is an ELITE defender and much better ball handler and distributor. Pat is the better shooter, but not by as much as some may think as career splits are almost exactly the same. And if you're looking to replace any perceived loss of shooting, you can do that (and then some) with AJ.

Caruso just doesn’t get shots up. The shots Pat gets up, Caruso wouldn’t even take. That’s the problem, Caruso is an elite defender, but he is an absolute zero on offense.

BroncoBuck · Post #671 » by **BroncoBuck** » Fri Oct 27, 2023 4:56 am

What’s up with Larry Nance Jr. in New Orleans? Is he getting buried now that Zion is back? He’s been a fantastic role player in his career, but that roster is a mashup of young and old and I could see him squeezed out this season. He’s the backup center/hybrid defender I’d love to matchup against Boston.

bucksfansince88 · Post #672 » by **bucksfansince88** » Fri Oct 27, 2023 5:38 am

Are we filling Stotts spot?

tedbrogen · Post #673 » by **tedbrogen** » Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:21 am

BroncoBuck wrote:What’s up with Larry Nance Jr. in New Orleans? Is he getting buried now that Zion is back? He’s been a fantastic role player in his career, but that roster is a mashup of young and old and I could see him squeezed out this season. He’s the backup center/hybrid defender I’d love to matchup against Boston.

I’d trade Portis for Nance. Nance is much more playable in the playoffs.

Bobby is way better in the regular season because he can get buckets.

ShootingtheJ · Post #674 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Fri Oct 27, 2023 11:45 am

tedbrogen wrote:
BroncoBuck wrote:What’s up with Larry Nance Jr. in New Orleans? Is he getting buried now that Zion is back? He’s been a fantastic role player in his career, but that roster is a mashup of young and old and I could see him squeezed out this season. He’s the backup center/hybrid defender I’d love to matchup against Boston.

I’d trade Portis for Nance. Nance is much more playable in the playoffs.

Bobby is way better in the regular season because he can get buckets.

How Bobby fits defensively changes dramatically now that he doesn't have Bud sticking him in the deep drop. Last night Bobby was very good against Embiid, better than Brook was.

JayMKE · Post #675 » by **JayMKE** » Fri Oct 27, 2023 11:50 am

bucksfansince88 wrote:Are we filling Stotts spot?

Think Joe Prunty just moved up to lead assistant idk

rayallenscalves · Post #676 » by **rayallenscalves** » Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:46 pm

BroncoBuck wrote:
rayallenscalves wrote:Put me in the camp of absolutely wanting Caruso over Pat. I've said it before: I don't know what Pat does well. I'll admit he's had a few big playoff games that has made him a made man among some, but there's definitely better options, a few already on the Bucks.

While I don't know what Pat does well, I know Caruso is an ELITE defender and much better ball handler and distributor. Pat is the better shooter, but not by as much as some may think as career splits are almost exactly the same. And if you're looking to replace any perceived loss of shooting, you can do that (and then some) with AJ.

Caruso just doesn’t get shots up. The shots Pat gets up, Caruso wouldn’t even take. That’s the problem, Caruso is an elite defender, but he is an absolute zero on offense.

While Pat may be a slightly better shooter, though wildly inconsistent, Caruso is definitely not a complete zero as he's a much better ball handler and passer. Throw in the elite defense, which is what the Bucks need most out of that position, and Caruso feels like a much better option. He could play a role for the Bucks that's very similar to what Bruce Brown did for the Nuggets last year as more of a cutter/ball mover.

Siefer · Post #677 » by **Siefer** » Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:03 pm

Pat has earned love for his playoff play, but yeah, a lot of his value is in being a three-point threat. When he's playing well, he's also assignment sure, a good rebounder, versatile, and has a lightning quick release. That's a great roleplayer, but again, a lot of his value hinges on being able to hit open threes.

emunney · Post #678 » by **emunney** » Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:18 pm

Caruso's better than Pat but maybe not enough to motivate a trade.

Bucksmaniac · Post #679 » by **Bucksmaniac** » Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:20 pm

emunney wrote:Caruso's better than Pat but maybe not enough to motivate a trade.

Couldn’t he be the type of player to motivate the whole team to play better defense, become infectious through his actions? I also think he could be nearly as effective or possibly better at hitting the wide open 3s he’s sure to get if he’s the 5th starter.

emunney · Post #680 » by **emunney** » Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:24 pm

Bucksmaniac wrote:
emunney wrote:Caruso's better than Pat but maybe not enough to motivate a trade.

Couldn’t he be the type of player to motivate the whole team to play better defense, become infectious through his actions? I also think he could be nearly as effective or possibly better at hitting the wide open 3s he’s sure to get if he’s the 5th starter.

If so, then so would Dre, and we wouldn't have to trade a cultural fixture to put him on the court.