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2 games in a row. 5 for 30. Where's the coaching???

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Re: 2 games in a row. 5 for 30. Where's the coaching??? 

Post#261 » by Knick4Real » Sat Nov 4, 2023 6:53 pm

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dakomish23 wrote:It’s 2023 and ppl are still in denial of the impact coaching has. :noway:


honestly I find it hard to dogpile on the coach in a game where you're on the road against a title contender with two bonafide hall of famers and you have a main guy going 5-20 and your role players don't show up and you go 8-400 from 3 and you still have a 103-101 lead in solid position to win the game and a superstar makes superstar plays to beat you. And RJ was out.

I mean I'm sure there's something else he could have done, I'd have had IQ in down the stretch instead of Grimes but this team has deeper roster construction problems


You, sir, are an eternal optimist.

Sure, we were very lucky to have gotten close. However, if Thibs put Stevie Wonder into the game and expected him to defend and kept handing him the ball, he should be held accountable for that.

Keeping Randle in the game AND allowing him to hog the ball after being ineffective all night while doing nearly nothing on defense basically made the game 5 on 4. Or, in other words, Randle's presence was about as valuable as having a blind man on the court.
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Post#262 » by G_K_F » Sat Nov 4, 2023 7:11 pm

Tom Thibodeau is the 2nd oldest coach in the NBA after Popovich.

He'll be 66 in January.

What is the upside of continuing down this path? This guy won't be conceivably coaching in 3-4 years anyway. He's not a long term solution. We need a young, fresh voice in the locker room with modern NBA offensive concepts who holds guys accountable. None of this is happening with Tom.
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Post#263 » by ctorres » Sat Nov 4, 2023 7:32 pm

Hes_On_Fire wrote:Tom Thibodeau is the 2nd oldest coach in the NBA after Popovich.

He'll be 66 in January.

What is the upside of continuing down this path? This guy won't be conceivably coaching in 3-4 years anyway. He's not a long term solution. We need a young, fresh voice in the locker room with modern NBA offensive concepts who holds guys accountable. None of this is happening with Tom.


Thibodeau's NBA resume is crazy

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/thiboto99c.html

He has had a job in the NBA for 32 of 35 years of his life.

Took him 20 years of being an Assistant Coach to get a Head Coach job. This may be Thibs' last NBA head coaching job. He is not gonna let go that easily. What would he even do next?
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Post#264 » by RHODEY » Sat Nov 4, 2023 7:35 pm

ctorres wrote:Is Randle playing hurt?

27.1% from the field and 22.5% from three after 6 games has to be one of the worst starts for an All-NBA player in history.

He seems to lack explosion...it may take some time to get that back after the ankle and surgery.
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Re: 2 games in a row. 5 for 30. Where's the coaching??? 

Post#265 » by dakomish23 » Sat Nov 4, 2023 7:46 pm

ctorres wrote:Is Randle playing hurt?

27.1% from the field and 22.5% from three after 6 games has to be one of the worst starts for an All-NBA player in history.


Take out the all nba part. Deez posted something about it being the worst fg% w/ 90 FGA after 6 game….ever.

The optimist side is he goes a 5 game hot streak and it will immediately shoot to good since it’s early in the season.

But my beef is how it’s happening. If his shots are in the flow of the offense and they’re missing, so be it. If he’s still attacking the glass, giving effort on D and moving the ball / creating for others, I don’t think most would even complain w/ those shooting numbers.

We’ll see if being called out on national television wakes him up
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Re: 2 games in a row. 5 for 30. Where's the coaching??? 

Post#266 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sat Nov 4, 2023 7:50 pm

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ctorres wrote:Is Randle playing hurt?

27.1% from the field and 22.5% from three after 6 games has to be one of the worst starts for an All-NBA player in history.


Take out the all nba part. Deez posted something about it being the worst fg% w/ 90 FGA after 6 game….ever.

The optimist side is he goes a 5 game hot streak and it will immediately shoot to good since it’s early in the season.

But my beef is how it’s happening. If his shots are in the flow of the offense and they’re missing, so be it. If he’s still attacking the glass, giving effort on D and moving the ball / creating for others, I don’t think most would even complain w/ those shooting numbers.

We’ll see if being called out on national television wakes him up



You gotta go back to pre civil rights era basketball to find worse numbers


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Post#267 » by nedleeds » Sat Nov 4, 2023 8:02 pm

Hes_On_Fire wrote:Tom Thibodeau is the 2nd oldest coach in the NBA after Popovich.

He'll be 66 in January.

What is the upside of continuing down this path? This guy won't be conceivably coaching in 3-4 years anyway. He's not a long term solution. We need a young, fresh voice in the locker room with modern NBA offensive concepts who holds guys accountable. None of this is happening with Tom.

CAA gets paid. Thibs and the staff are all CAA. Leon Rose and his proxy kid who still works there collect double checks.
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Post#268 » by HerSports85 » Sat Nov 4, 2023 8:04 pm

Wow ESPN really posted this on their instagram smh

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzO_4yLpFh9/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==
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Post#269 » by robillionaire » Sat Nov 4, 2023 8:17 pm

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dakomish23 wrote:It’s 2023 and ppl are still in denial of the impact coaching has. :noway:


honestly I find it hard to dogpile on the coach in a game where you're on the road against a title contender with two bonafide hall of famers and you have a main guy going 5-20 and your role players don't show up and you go 8-400 from 3 and you still have a 103-101 lead in solid position to win the game and a superstar makes superstar plays to beat you. And RJ was out.

I mean I'm sure there's something else he could have done, I'd have had IQ in down the stretch instead of Grimes but this team has deeper roster construction problems


You, sir, are an eternal optimist.

Sure, we were very lucky to have gotten close. However, if Thibs put Stevie Wonder into the game and expected him to defend and kept handing him the ball, he should be held accountable for that.

Keeping Randle in the game AND allowing him to hog the ball after being ineffective all night while doing nearly nothing on defense basically made the game 5 on 4. Or, in other words, Randle's presence was about as valuable as having a blind man on the court.


We don’t even have a backup PF. To think that he is ever getting benched is delusional. Especially when down the stretch he hit a shot to cut it to 1 and then had the assist to give us the 2 point lead on the next play. If your entire criticism of Thibs is that he didn’t bench your all star pf for Jericho sims at the end of the game I’m sorry but this isn’t a realistic thing anybody would do

I mean if you want to blame Randle for sucking I get that but Thibs literally can’t do anything else and what you’re suggesting would make things infinitely worse
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Post#270 » by Oscirus » Sat Nov 4, 2023 8:24 pm

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Reign23 wrote:DDV also deserves props. 35.7 % from the field and 33.3 from three after 6 games. just kudos.


We already knew what we were getting with him though. He's just a high energy streaky shooter. Josh Hart is just a high energy rebounder. This whole Villanova thing is a joke. There's only 1 Villanova guy worth having on this team.

well 2 but we not getting the one on the nets
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Post#271 » by G_K_F » Sat Nov 4, 2023 8:25 pm

HerSports85 wrote:Wow ESPN really posted this on their instagram smh

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzO_4yLpFh9/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

ESPN posted a video of a guy getting blown up?
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Post#272 » by knicks94 » Sat Nov 4, 2023 8:30 pm

Will Julius Randle ever go back and look at his career and see that he had two productive seasons in a row?
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Post#273 » by Oscirus » Sat Nov 4, 2023 8:34 pm

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Probably. There have been so few.


It's close. 44.9% vs 44.5% for Novak. Novak had higher volume, 4.7 attempts vs 2.7.

This was surprising to see. I remembered Davis was a good shooter (and not much else) but didn't remember him being that good.

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Fun Novak stat, he shot higher from 3 than from 2 as a Knick. 44.5% vs 44.2%

Hubert Davis was unclutch as f*ck. Not that the Knicks were playing for much in the Novak era, but felt like he made baskets to end or sustain runs, daggers to put teams away. Felt like when Hubert was open and Knicks needed a basket, clank. He'd fit right in with current squad

Wasnt Hubert behind the shot that took out pippens bulls which was the only knicks series victory over the bulls in that era?
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Post#274 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Nov 4, 2023 8:50 pm

ctorres wrote:
Hes_On_Fire wrote:Tom Thibodeau is the 2nd oldest coach in the NBA after Popovich.

He'll be 66 in January.

What is the upside of continuing down this path? This guy won't be conceivably coaching in 3-4 years anyway. He's not a long term solution. We need a young, fresh voice in the locker room with modern NBA offensive concepts who holds guys accountable. None of this is happening with Tom.


Thibodeau's NBA resume is crazy

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/thiboto99c.html

He has had a job in the NBA for 32 of 35 years of his life.

Took him 20 years of being an Assistant Coach to get a Head Coach job. This may be Thibs' last NBA head coaching job. He is not gonna let go that easily. What would he even do next?


He'd feed Randle grapes
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Post#275 » by nedleeds » Sat Nov 4, 2023 9:23 pm

Hes_On_Fire wrote:
HerSports85 wrote:Wow ESPN really posted this on their instagram smh

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzO_4yLpFh9/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

ESPN posted a video of a guy getting blown up?

Knicks get Clicks.
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Post#276 » by nedleeds » Sat Nov 4, 2023 9:25 pm

Oscirus wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
The Lamma wrote:
It's close. 44.9% vs 44.5% for Novak. Novak had higher volume, 4.7 attempts vs 2.7.

This was surprising to see. I remembered Davis was a good shooter (and not much else) but didn't remember him being that good.

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Fun Novak stat, he shot higher from 3 than from 2 as a Knick. 44.5% vs 44.2%

Hubert Davis was unclutch as f*ck. Not that the Knicks were playing for much in the Novak era, but felt like he made baskets to end or sustain runs, daggers to put teams away. Felt like when Hubert was open and Knicks needed a basket, clank. He'd fit right in with current squad

Wasnt Hubert behind the shot that took out pippens bulls which was the only knicks series victory over the bulls in that era?

He made his free throws. Bootleg NBA ratings call.

Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
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Post#277 » by Chanel Bomber » Sat Nov 4, 2023 9:32 pm

nedleeds wrote:
Hes_On_Fire wrote:
HerSports85 wrote:Wow ESPN really posted this on their instagram smh

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzO_4yLpFh9/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

ESPN posted a video of a guy getting blown up?

Knicks get Clicks.

Do they?
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Post#278 » by nedleeds » Sat Nov 4, 2023 9:35 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
Hes_On_Fire wrote:ESPN posted a video of a guy getting blown up?

Knicks get Clicks.

Do they?

I don't even have Instagram and I clicked.

The film is pretty terrible looking, no effort in a close TOURNAMENT game.
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Post#279 » by Chanel Bomber » Sat Nov 4, 2023 9:40 pm

nedleeds wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:
nedleeds wrote:Knicks get Clicks.

Do they?

I don't even have Instagram and I clicked.

The film is pretty terrible looking, no effort in a close TOURNAMENT game.

You clicked because you're a Knicks fan.

I don't think the Knicks generate clicks from neutrals, casuals and other fanbases.

Hell, the game 5 elimination game vs Cleveland was on NBA TV. They don't generate much attention outside of this fanbase.
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Post#280 » by god shammgod » Sat Nov 4, 2023 10:39 pm

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F N 11 wrote:Good point but he was doing it all game. Now he wanna focus on Giannis 3 point shot all of a sudden? Him not being back to help caused the back door. We were helping on Dame and both Dame late shots is bc Randle ain’t help. Late on the 3 contest now walking up instead of getting back building a wall.


I realize we are all hyper focusing on Randle as always but watch grimes on that play he’s walking next to Randle, Lillard is also trailing the play, Randle actually reaches out and touches grimes as if to say “you got him”. Dude has his back turned throwing his hands up in the air after the screen complaining about the non-call while lillard is blowing by him

Yeah there’s a million valid things to complain about Randle this play that’s been posted 15 times is weird to me

Grimes is supposed to be our premier defender he took a nap on the play and nobody even mentioned it


truthfully that possession went to hell because brook set an illegal screen on josh hart which forces mitch to have to come out and cover middleton.


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