Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[MiamiSPX]

https://www.theringer.com/2023/11/7/23950070/nba-in-season-tournament-win-scottie-barnes-rise

Scottie talk at 17:31 mark

There is a crazy amount of positive talk around him this season from a bunch of former players/analysts. And everyone keeps saying the same stuff, his numbers likely wont stay here, but they dont look at all like they are gonna drop off that much. You love to see it.

I am feeling a little discomfort as to how prevalent it is now, but I'm here for it anyway.

[canada_dry]

Scottie at 15th is serious bs. Its a deep league of young stars but come on.

Haliburton getting his love is cool though. Been on that train.

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A pro scout who has seen Barnes multiple times already this season says his performance and the fire with which he’s playing has been eye-popping.

“What stands out? Everything!” the scout said via text.

“He’s a whole different player. He’s bigger and stronger but hasn’t lost any of his mobility or agility. His shot is much, much smoother and in better balance. And most importantly he’s hungrier. He seems to be on some kind of mission.”

There is no better example than his fourth quarter against the Spurs. Barnes — like the rest of his teammates — was having a sub-par afternoon to that point. The Raptors had trailed by as many as 22 points and started the fourth quarter down 15. Barnes was 3-of-12 from the floor, 2-of-6 from three and was on his way to a pretty 'blah' afternoon.

But he wasn't having that.

"We needed a spark," he said. "I knew I needed to start doing something."

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-barnes-emerging-as-franchise-cornerstone-with-hot-start/

But but according to a few in here i thought its just because noones in his way? No obstacles?? He was this guy last year too?!

Lol.

Good article.

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[WuTang_CMB]

A pro scout who has seen Barnes multiple times already this season says his performance and the fire with which he’s playing has been eye-popping.

“What stands out? Everything!” the scout said via text.

“He’s a whole different player. He’s bigger and stronger but hasn’t lost any of his mobility or agility. His shot is much, much smoother and in better balance. And most importantly he’s hungrier. He seems to be on some kind of mission.”

There is no better example than his fourth quarter against the Spurs. Barnes — like the rest of his teammates — was having a sub-par afternoon to that point. The Raptors had trailed by as many as 22 points and started the fourth quarter down 15. Barnes was 3-of-12 from the floor, 2-of-6 from three and was on his way to a pretty 'blah' afternoon.

But he wasn't having that.

"We needed a spark," he said. "I knew I needed to start doing something."

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-barnes-emerging-as-franchise-cornerstone-with-hot-start/

But but according to a few in here i thought its just because noones in his way? No obstacles?? He was this guy last year too?!

Lol.

Good article.

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Improvement definitely there. But you’d be naive to think FVV and Nurse werent obstacles last season. Hence why his first 7 games have been an MVP jump not just an all star one. Always more than one factor. This is basketball not baseball.

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https://www.theringer.com/2023/11/7/23950070/nba-in-season-tournament-win-scottie-barnes-rise

Scottie talk at 17:31 mark

The Aaron Gordon comp kind of irked me, even though he said they're different, I just think that Scottie is in a totally different stratosphere as a player. The stuff about him being a "Pippen", it's like yeah maybe but I'm not seeing Pippen type stuff from him, I'm seeing alpha dog on a title contender type of stuff. His scoring mindset needs mature and once he consistently finds that balance between scoring and passing he's going to be able to control the flow of entire games.

I mean if he's scottie pippen with some actual leadership qualities and alpha in him i.e just overall better mentally... thats a spectacular.



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Lol

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38802411/nba-25-25-rankings-wembanyama-doncic-zion-morant-more-stars

No one with half a brain is taking Mobley, JJJ, Lamelo, Garland, or Cade over Scottie. This is next level stupidity lol.

I'm not seeing why Banchero would be higher either, this whole list is ultra questionable at best.

After a step back from his Rookie of the Year campaign in 2021-22, Barnes is off to a strong start to his third season that could vault him up future lists.

Meanwhile he's basically putting up the best stats out of anyone on that list, outside of Maxey/Ant.

[canada_dry]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-barnes-emerging-as-franchise-cornerstone-with-hot-start/

But but according to a few in here i thought its just because noones in his way? No obstacles?? He was this guy last year too?!

Lol.

Good article.

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Improvement definitely there. But you’d be naive to think FVV and Nurse werent obstacles last season. Hence why his first 7 games have been an MVP jump not just an all star one. Always more than one factor. This is basketball not baseball.

Lol what? Do you think hes gonna stay at mvp level or more likely will dip a bit but remain in that all star realm you mentioned, or maybe even all nba level? Because that seems way more realistic to me...which would still be amazing btw. Everything we could have hoped for as a fanbase. Gotta chill with the mvp stuff though.

Hey If scottie was half this good last year even in his secondary or tertiary role, we'd have been a lot better even with fvv struggling with his shot , and being bad half the season, probably again in that 45-48 win range of 2022. Thats my point. Obstacles or not he just wasnt.

But that just wasn't the case and scottie really put the work in to actually improve and we're seeing the fruits of his labor. Some people Indirectly blaming the favorite whipping boy 20 times a day because they want so badly to be right in this thread is insulting to scottie himself imo. And i don't mean you btw i was just responding to the article you posted.

The scout said it himself. Everything looks different. Even physically. That's the work he put in and that's what we should be talking about and praising.

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A pro scout who has seen Barnes multiple times already this season says his performance and the fire with which he’s playing has been eye-popping.

“What stands out? Everything!” the scout said via text.

“He’s a whole different player. He’s bigger and stronger but hasn’t lost any of his mobility or agility. His shot is much, much smoother and in better balance. And most importantly he’s hungrier. He seems to be on some kind of mission.”

There is no better example than his fourth quarter against the Spurs. Barnes — like the rest of his teammates — was having a sub-par afternoon to that point. The Raptors had trailed by as many as 22 points and started the fourth quarter down 15. Barnes was 3-of-12 from the floor, 2-of-6 from three and was on his way to a pretty 'blah' afternoon.

But he wasn't having that.

"We needed a spark," he said. "I knew I needed to start doing something."

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-barnes-emerging-as-franchise-cornerstone-with-hot-start/

But but according to a few in here i thought its just because noones in his way? No obstacles?? He was this guy last year too?!

Lol.

Good article.

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It's not binary my guy, if you think he would be having the same freedom to break out like he has with FVV on this roster, and the offence still being run through him, you're just as bad as the people saying the only reason he is better is because FVV is gone.

[WuTang_CMB]

But but according to a few in here i thought its just because noones in his way? No obstacles?? He was this guy last year too?!

Lol.

Good article.

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Improvement definitely there. But you’d be naive to think FVV and Nurse werent obstacles last season. Hence why his first 7 games have been an MVP jump not just an all star one. Always more than one factor. This is basketball not baseball.

Lol what? Do you think hes gonna stay at mvp level or more likely will dip a bit but remain in that all star realm you mentioned, or maybe even all nba level? Because that seems way more realistic to me...which would still be amazing btw. Everything we could have hoped for as a fanbase. Gotta chill with the mvp stuff though.

Hey If scottie was half this good last year even in his secondary or tertiary role, we'd have been a lot better even with fvv struggling with his shot , and being bad half the season, probably again in that 45-48 win range of 2022. Thats my point. Obstacles or not he just wasnt.

But that just wasn't the case and scottie really put the work in to actually improve and we're seeing the fruits of his labor. Some people Indirectly blaming the favorite whipping boy 20 times a day because they want so badly to be right in this thread is insulting to scottie himself imo. And i don't mean you btw i was just responding to the article you posted.

The scout said it himself. Everything looks different. Even physically. That's the work he put in and that's what we should be talking about and praising.

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No i dont think this is sustainable, i am just calling it how it is for his first 7 games. The improvement is there. The numbers are there. But its pretty easy to understand its not just development in basketball. Its role and option freedom. He’s getting that with darko. If scottie and pascal’s roles were reversed this year (pascal sitting in the corner), that jump would be less same with his numbers. So back to my point theres always more than one factor. Its not just him working in the gym. Again, Basketball isnt baseball. If you understand both sports, you’d get a better sense of why Scottie looks totally different this year.

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https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-barnes-emerging-as-franchise-cornerstone-with-hot-start/

But but according to a few in here i thought its just because noones in his way? No obstacles?? He was this guy last year too?!

Lol.

Good article.

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It's not binary my guy, if you think he would be having the same freedom to break out like he has with FVV on this roster, and the offence still being run through him, you're just as bad as the people saying the only reason he is better is because FVV is gone.

I actually dont think that.

So im not as bad as those guys then right?

Im glad i have your approval.

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Improvement definitely there. But you’d be naive to think FVV and Nurse werent obstacles last season. Hence why his first 7 games have been an MVP jump not just an all star one. Always more than one factor. This is basketball not baseball.

Lol what? Do you think hes gonna stay at mvp level or more likely will dip a bit but remain in that all star realm you mentioned, or maybe even all nba level? Because that seems way more realistic to me...which would still be amazing btw. Everything we could have hoped for as a fanbase. Gotta chill with the mvp stuff though.

Hey If scottie was half this good last year even in his secondary or tertiary role, we'd have been a lot better even with fvv struggling with his shot , and being bad half the season, probably again in that 45-48 win range of 2022. Thats my point. Obstacles or not he just wasnt.

But that just wasn't the case and scottie really put the work in to actually improve and we're seeing the fruits of his labor. Some people Indirectly blaming the favorite whipping boy 20 times a day because they want so badly to be right in this thread is insulting to scottie himself imo. And i don't mean you btw i was just responding to the article you posted.

The scout said it himself. Everything looks different. Even physically. That's the work he put in and that's what we should be talking about and praising.

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No i dont think this is sustainable, i am just calling it how it is for his first 7 games. The improvement is there. The numbers are there. But its pretty easy to understand its not just development in basketball. Its role and option freedom. He’s getting that with darko. If scottie and pascal’s roles were reversed this year (pascal sitting in the corner), that jump would be less same with his numbers. So back to my point theres always more than one factor. Its not just him working in the gym.

Its not just him working in the gym but his individual improvement is the main thing. He could have had the ball more last year and this isnt happening. This year too in a larger role would be looking ugly if he didnt get considerably better.

It helps that he has the ball more but without the improvements hes made it wouldn't have amounted to much. Certainly not this that we've been seeing for 7 games

We don't really disagree much, i just had to point out the stupidity being said by some that this article clearly refutes. That's all.

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Can i just add,

Alperen sengun at 25 is even an even bigger snub.Thats a joke.

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[blastttOFF]

Luka
Wemby
Ant
Scottie
Chet


Is my list

[WuTang_CMB]

Lol what? Do you think hes gonna stay at mvp level or more likely will dip a bit but remain in that all star realm you mentioned, or maybe even all nba level? Because that seems way more realistic to me...which would still be amazing btw. Everything we could have hoped for as a fanbase. Gotta chill with the mvp stuff though.

Hey If scottie was half this good last year even in his secondary or tertiary role, we'd have been a lot better even with fvv struggling with his shot , and being bad half the season, probably again in that 45-48 win range of 2022. Thats my point. Obstacles or not he just wasnt.

But that just wasn't the case and scottie really put the work in to actually improve and we're seeing the fruits of his labor. Some people Indirectly blaming the favorite whipping boy 20 times a day because they want so badly to be right in this thread is insulting to scottie himself imo. And i don't mean you btw i was just responding to the article you posted.

The scout said it himself. Everything looks different. Even physically. That's the work he put in and that's what we should be talking about and praising.

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No i dont think this is sustainable, i am just calling it how it is for his first 7 games. The improvement is there. The numbers are there. But its pretty easy to understand its not just development in basketball. Its role and option freedom. He’s getting that with darko. If scottie and pascal’s roles were reversed this year (pascal sitting in the corner), that jump would be less same with his numbers. So back to my point theres always more than one factor. Its not just him working in the gym.

Its not just him working in the gym but his individual improvement is the main thing. He could have had the ball more last year and this isnt happening. This year too in a larger role would be looking ugly if he didnt get considerably better.

It helps that he has the ball more but without the improvements hes made it wouldn't have amounted to much. Certainly not this that we've been seeing for 7 games

We don't really disagree much, i just had to point out the stupidity being said by some that this article clearly refutes. That's all.

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yeah I am not going at you. I just don't like the narrative of only improvement helped him get here. Many other factors coaching, role, losing Fred etc.

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But but according to a few in here i thought its just because noones in his way? No obstacles?? He was this guy last year too?!

Lol.

Good article.

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It's not binary my guy, if you think he would be having the same freedom to break out like he has with FVV on this roster, and the offence still being run through him, you're just as bad as the people saying the only reason he is better is because FVV is gone.

I actually dont think that.

So im not as bad as those guys then right?

Im glad i have your approval.

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Don't be childish, you're calling out people out for having a differing opinion, not a single person in here can claim with certainty it was only improvements, only FVV being gone, or a combo of both.

It's extremely likely that it's a combo, but you can't outright say they are 100% wrong and act smug. Also I can't recall seeing anyone say that it was literally only FVV being gone and absolutely zero chance of anything else. I'd be glad to see the posts if you've got em.

[HiJiNX]

ESPN continues to prove that they don’t watch basketball, they just skim through it.

Who cares about rankings anyway, Scottie gonna prove it on the court.

As far as sustainability goes, everybody is shooting the lights out to start this season it seems. So as Scottie’s numbers regress, expect the same from a bunch of other stars, meaning that his impact will remain similar as the entire league regresses to the mean.

On another note, are tweets not showing up for anyone else??

[niQ]

On another note, are tweets not showing up for anyone else??

Yea, doesn't appear to be working right now.

[Scase]

ESPN continues to prove that they don’t watch basketball, they just skim through it.

Who cares about rankings anyway, Scottie gonna prove it on the court.

As far as sustainability goes, everybody is shooting the lights out to start this season it seems. So as Scottie’s numbers regress, expect the same from a bunch of other stars, meaning that his impact will remain similar as the entire league regresses to the mean.

On another note, are tweets not showing up for anyone else??

They were, probably an hour or so ago? Definitely not now though.

[ArthurVandelay]

I’m glad they continue to disrespect Scottie. More fuel for the fire.

[Madhouse]

The advantage Scottie has to most is that he is a very good defender.