Official NBA General Discussion 2022-23 V5.0

[Madvillainy2004]

I know Nick Nurse is thanking the gods he got a guard like Maxey after dealing with the rotation of FVV/Flynn/ArmaniBrooks/WillBarton.

I can't even imagine going from coaching our team to a Maxey/Embiid team. **** I would've left too lmao

They have the 2nd best Net Rating right now and a top 2 offense. The Maxey/Embiid combo is flat out ridiculous right now.

[Los_29]

I know Nick Nurse is thanking the gods he got a guard like Maxey after dealing with the rotation of FVV/Flynn/ArmaniBrooks/WillBarton.

I can't even imagine going from coaching our team to a Maxey/Embiid team. **** I would've left too lmao

They have the 2nd best Net Rating right now and a top 2 offense. The Maxey/Embiid combo is flat out ridiculous right now.

The difference between Nurse and Doc is night and day. Nurse really squeezed out as much as he could out of this roster. Don’t like how he handled himself last year but good for him going to a team with some talent. Lol.

[sbsat]

I know Nick Nurse is thanking the gods he got a guard like Maxey after dealing with the rotation of FVV/Flynn/ArmaniBrooks/WillBarton.

I can't even imagine going from coaching our team to a Maxey/Embiid team. **** I would've left too lmao

They have the 2nd best Net Rating right now and a top 2 offense. The Maxey/Embiid combo is flat out ridiculous right now.

The difference between Nurse and Doc is night and day. Nurse really squeezed out as much as he could out of this roster. Don’t like how he handled himself last year but good for him going to a team with some talent. Lol.

Im realizing now that hes gone how good a coach he is.

[Basketball_Jones]

Are we ready to admit, MU was the problem, not FVV....

He’s more or less same as last year but perhaps more talent around him now? I don’t know about Houston but so far they’re winning games even with Jalen Green being trash

[Pointgod]

I don’t understand how some of our fans could “hate” Fred. The guy was a key piece of the team that won us a championship. I’m not saying you have to root for him but hating the dude is kinda ridiculous if you’re actually a Raptors fan

I could see the narrative start to shift as soon as Fred and Nurse left. All of a sudden it was our coach that couldn’t develop talent and Fred was a selfish me first chucker that was “addition by subtraction”. All of this to deflect any blame from the front office in not putting better talent on the floor, yet we see we’re in the same place as last year while Nurse is absolutely crushing it on the Sixers and Fred is a reason why the Rockets are playing way above expectations. Easy to hate the guys that are no longer on our team than look at the short comings of the front office and our players who are still here.

[polo007]

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[Pointgod]

Windhorst most connected said maxey was not included for lowry. Knowing morey this was likely the case.

Houston up 10’on denver 4 minutes to go. Udoka coaching

For what it’s worth, I haven’t Maxey was off the table but rather Masai was asking for Maxey, Thybulle and. First round pick for Lowry and the 76ers were like **** off.

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nba/raptors-insane-kyle-lowry-asking-price-drove-sixers-away/180076/

"For Philadelphia, they are permitted to trade '21 and '23 first-round picks - this year's pick and 2023 - plus they have Tyrese Maxey, their young guard out of Kentucky, and Thybulle, Matisse Thybulle. Toronto, they would like all of those pieces. From what I've been told, Philly has not been willing to put that whole package in there."

Maxey was a rookie guard that was picked in the 20’s playing 15 minutes. I don’t believe for a second that Philly would have made him untouchable given the make up of the team. He has to fight for minutes behind Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Thybulle, Danny Green, Shake Milton and Korkmaz. I believe that Masai definitely could have gotten one of Thybulle, Maxey or a first for Lowry but he overplayed his hand yet again asking for too much. These are the types of gambles you should take when trading Allstars on expiring contracts and in this case it would have paid off massively if they got Maxey.

[Pointgod]

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Holy **** I thought something had happened to him! Thank God this was positive news. Well deserved extension.

[WuTang_CMB]

Windhorst most connected said maxey was not included for lowry. Knowing morey this was likely the case.

Houston up 10’on denver 4 minutes to go. Udoka coaching

For what it’s worth, I haven’t Maxey was off the table but rather Masai was asking for Maxey, Thybulle and. First round pick for Lowry and the 76ers were like **** off.

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nba/raptors-insane-kyle-lowry-asking-price-drove-sixers-away/180076/

"For Philadelphia, they are permitted to trade '21 and '23 first-round picks - this year's pick and 2023 - plus they have Tyrese Maxey, their young guard out of Kentucky, and Thybulle, Matisse Thybulle. Toronto, they would like all of those pieces. From what I've been told, Philly has not been willing to put that whole package in there."

Maxey was a rookie guard that was picked in the 20’s playing 15 minutes. I don’t believe for a second that Philly would have made him untouchable given the make up of the team. He has to fight for minutes behind Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Thybulle, Danny Green, Shake Milton and Korkmaz. I believe that Masai definitely could have gotten one of Thybulle, Maxey or a first for Lowry but he overplayed his hand yet again asking for too much. These are the types of gambles you should take when trading Allstars on expiring contracts and in this case it would have paid off massively if they got Maxey.

You don't know Morey then. He was offering scraps for Lowry. Maxey was a rookie guard but had huge upside - they were never going to trade him for a Lowry rental

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[MiamiSPX]

Just looking across the league lol, it’s unreal how far behind we are in sheer offensive talent.

I watch too much basketball and I think this every damn night. The biggest mistake they made, IMO, is thinking they can teach anyone to shoot. I don't know if it's arrogance, hubris, delusion, bad data, etc, but it's not working.

He gambled and he lost.

Gonna take us a while to rebuild this roster back up.

It doesn't have to take that long. Some teams overhaul their entire roster in 1-2 years. The problem is our FO has some newfound aversion to trades. They've made 2 trades in the last 30 months, both times sending a 1st rounder to the Spurs.

[Pointgod]

I watch too much basketball and I think this every damn night. The biggest mistake they made, IMO, is thinking they can teach anyone to shoot. I don't know if it's arrogance, hubris, delusion, bad data, etc, but it's not working.

He gambled and he lost.

Gonna take us a while to rebuild this roster back up.

It doesn't have to take that long. Some teams overhaul their entire roster in 1-2 years. The problem is our FO has some newfound aversion to trades. They've made 2 trades in the last 30 months, both times sending a 1st rounder to the Spurs.

Front office is doing a great job rebuilding the Spurs.

[Dennis 37]

I know Nick Nurse is thanking the gods he got a guard like Maxey after dealing with the rotation of FVV/Flynn/ArmaniBrooks/WillBarton.

I can't even imagine going from coaching our team to a Maxey/Embiid team. **** I would've left too lmao

They have the 2nd best Net Rating right now and a top 2 offense. The Maxey/Embiid combo is flat out ridiculous right now.

The difference between Nurse and Doc is night and day. Nurse really squeezed out as much as he could out of this roster. Don’t like how he handled himself last year but good for him going to a team with some talent. Lol.

He is a great coach when he has talent. He doesn't make lesser players any better.

[Pointgod]

Windhorst most connected said maxey was not included for lowry. Knowing morey this was likely the case.

Houston up 10’on denver 4 minutes to go. Udoka coaching

For what it’s worth, I haven’t Maxey was off the table but rather Masai was asking for Maxey, Thybulle and. First round pick for Lowry and the 76ers were like **** off.

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nba/raptors-insane-kyle-lowry-asking-price-drove-sixers-away/180076/

"For Philadelphia, they are permitted to trade '21 and '23 first-round picks - this year's pick and 2023 - plus they have Tyrese Maxey, their young guard out of Kentucky, and Thybulle, Matisse Thybulle. Toronto, they would like all of those pieces. From what I've been told, Philly has not been willing to put that whole package in there."

Maxey was a rookie guard that was picked in the 20’s playing 15 minutes. I don’t believe for a second that Philly would have made him untouchable given the make up of the team. He has to fight for minutes behind Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Thybulle, Danny Green, Shake Milton and Korkmaz. I believe that Masai definitely could have gotten one of Thybulle, Maxey or a first for Lowry but he overplayed his hand yet again asking for too much. These are the types of gambles you should take when trading Allstars on expiring contracts and in this case it would have paid off massively if they got Maxey.

You don't know Morey then. He was offering scraps for Lowry. Maxey was a rookie guard but had huge upside - they were never going to trade him for a Lowry rental

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Thanks for sharing that clip. I’m always a little wary about reporting after the fact as part of damage control for a player that wasn’t traded. What Windhorst said was that the Sixers wouldn’t give up Maxey which could mean wouldn’t give him up as part of the package the Raptors were asking or give him up period. What he didn’t say is that Maxey was untouchable. Would the Sixers have done a straight up Maxey for Lowry swap? Maybe. Sixers were trying to win a title and Lowry addressed a lot of the holes in their team. What we know is that it’s not inconceivable for a team to trade a 15 minute per game rookie for a chance at a championship. Reporting before that time had Maxey as available:

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-trade-rumors-intel-kyle-lowry-spencer-dinwiddie-andre-drummond-richaun-holmes-more/

We’re heard similar posturing from Morey about Terrance Mann having to be in the deal for Harden yet the deal was made without him. And I’m sure we’ll hear reports after the fact that the Clippers made man untouchable while the reality is that they would have traded him for Harden straight up if it didn’t cost them additional picks and we know they apparently tried to trade Mann for Holiday lol. Either way the Sixers were interested in getting Lowry and we probably could have gotten one of Maxey, Thybulle or a pick with varying degrees of likelihood. The fact that we didn’t get expirings and an asset and had to make that **** sign and trade that forced us to take on Dragic which we then led to us unloading a first for Thad shows a fail by the front office which wasn’t even hindsight outcome.

[Madvillainy2004]

I can't even imagine going from coaching our team to a Maxey/Embiid team. **** I would've left too lmao

They have the 2nd best Net Rating right now and a top 2 offense. The Maxey/Embiid combo is flat out ridiculous right now.

The difference between Nurse and Doc is night and day. Nurse really squeezed out as much as he could out of this roster. Don’t like how he handled himself last year but good for him going to a team with some talent. Lol.

He is a great coach when he has talent. He doesn't make lesser players any better.

If your team constantly needs to make lesser players better maybe you should get some talent on that team lol

[ash_k]

At the end of game 5 in Philly (17|7|3, scoring pressure baskets attacking Joel), had anybody told me that the gap between he and Maxey would be this large today, I would have said "IMPOSSIBLE"! Injuries have just totally grounded Precious.

[Pointgod]

Wow the Timberwolves have arrived.

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[HumbleRen]

I can't even imagine going from coaching our team to a Maxey/Embiid team. **** I would've left too lmao

They have the 2nd best Net Rating right now and a top 2 offense. The Maxey/Embiid combo is flat out ridiculous right now.

The difference between Nurse and Doc is night and day. Nurse really squeezed out as much as he could out of this roster. Don’t like how he handled himself last year but good for him going to a team with some talent. Lol.

He is a great coach when he has talent. He doesn't make lesser players any better.

Sounds like a Masai issue.

What is any coach supposed to do with a guard rotation on the bench that has Will Barton, Dowtin, Armoni Brooks and Malachi Flynn lol.

I wanted Nurse gone because he clearly lost the locker-room and once that happens, there's no going back plus he clearly wanted to leave but I never got on board with the whole "he doesn't develop" players. FVV, Siakam, OG all turned into top 60-70 players under him.

Masai gave him bottom of the barrel talent and expected him to turn them into legitimate players in this league.

[WuTang_CMB]

For what it’s worth, I haven’t Maxey was off the table but rather Masai was asking for Maxey, Thybulle and. First round pick for Lowry and the 76ers were like **** off.

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nba/raptors-insane-kyle-lowry-asking-price-drove-sixers-away/180076/



Maxey was a rookie guard that was picked in the 20’s playing 15 minutes. I don’t believe for a second that Philly would have made him untouchable given the make up of the team. He has to fight for minutes behind Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Thybulle, Danny Green, Shake Milton and Korkmaz. I believe that Masai definitely could have gotten one of Thybulle, Maxey or a first for Lowry but he overplayed his hand yet again asking for too much. These are the types of gambles you should take when trading Allstars on expiring contracts and in this case it would have paid off massively if they got Maxey.

You don't know Morey then. He was offering scraps for Lowry. Maxey was a rookie guard but had huge upside - they were never going to trade him for a Lowry rental

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Thanks for sharing that clip. I’m always a little wary about reporting after the fact as part of damage control for a player that wasn’t traded. What Windhorst said was that the Sixers wouldn’t give up Maxey which could mean wouldn’t give him up as part of the package the Raptors were asking or give him up period. What he didn’t say is that Maxey was untouchable. Would the Sixers have done a straight up Maxey for Lowry swap? Maybe. Sixers were trying to win a title and Lowry addressed a lot of the holes in their team. What we know is that it’s not inconceivable for a team to trade a 15 minute per game rookie for a chance at a championship. Reporting before that time had Maxey as available:

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-trade-rumors-intel-kyle-lowry-spencer-dinwiddie-andre-drummond-richaun-holmes-more/

We’re heard similar posturing from Morey about Terrance Mann having to be in the deal for Harden yet the deal was made without him. And I’m sure we’ll hear reports after the fact that the Clippers made man untouchable while the reality is that they would have traded him for Harden straight up if it didn’t cost them additional picks and we know they apparently tried to trade Mann for Holiday lol. Either way the Sixers were interested in getting Lowry and we probably could have gotten one of Maxey, Thybulle or a pick with varying degrees of likelihood. The fact that we didn’t get expirings and an asset and had to make that **** sign and trade that forced us to take on Dragic which we then led to us unloading a first for Thad shows a fail by the front office which wasn’t even hindsight outcome.

I dont think this was damage control. This was the position all along during negotiations. Toronto couldnt get the guy from the Lakers or Maxey so they punted to the off-season. Morey was not going to give up an up and coming rookie for a rental in Lowry - thats what it came down to.

[NotMyKawhi]

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Are we ready to admit, MU was the problem, not FVV....

He’s more or less same as last year but perhaps more talent around him now? I don’t know about Houston but so far they’re winning games even with Jalen Green being trash

so we have less talent than the team w the worst record last year?

[GP2]

Holy **** I thought something had happened to him! Thank God this was positive news. Well deserved extension.

Woj phrases stuff like this on purpose, it's ridiculous. Look at how he worded Jamal Murray's injury management.