2023-2024 Official Around the NBA Discussion Thread

[RookieStar]

Pacers- 76ers is game that has my interest.

76ers are on a tear (hopefully Oubre is fine and will return soon), Pacers are apsolute masterful offensive team

Yeah... i think we need to keep it slow and ugly to get them off their game. Unleash Suggs on Hali and punish them downlow.

Pound for pound and height for height we have the advantage. We just bave to make sure they don't score in bunches.

[Redphilly]

ESPN’s top 25 under 25 based on future potential:

1. Luka Doncic
2. Anthony Edwards
3. Victor Wembanyama
4. Tyrese Haliburton
5. Ja Morant
6. Cade Cunningham
7. Zion Williamson
8. Darius Garland
9. LaMelo Ball
10. Jaren Jackson Jr.
11. Tyrese Maxey
12. Evan Mobley
13. Chet Holmgren
14. Paolo Banchero
15. Scottie Barnes
16. Franz Wagner
17. Jalen Williams
18. Josh Giddey
19. Jalen Green
20. Walker Kessler
21. Jalen Duren
22. Tyler Herro
23. Scoot Henderson
24. Keegan Murray
25. Alperen Sengun

Gotta say, this is a really bad list, however whenever they do these lists they tend to be poor

Holmgren over Banchero

[richi_v25]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38862219/sources-jameer-nelson-promoted-gm-76ers-g-league-team

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I was a huge fan of his but I'm still sour he took Rafer Alston minutes in the finals and with it our momentum.

[Optimus_Steel]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38862219/sources-jameer-nelson-promoted-gm-76ers-g-league-team

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I was a huge fan of his but I'm still sour he took Rafer Alston minutes in the finals and with it our momentum.

Why did the Magic not bring him to Orlando in a front office role?

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[cedric76]

Rob **** up big time by not keep him around

[RookieStar]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38862219/sources-jameer-nelson-promoted-gm-76ers-g-league-team

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I was a huge fan of his but I'm still sour he took Rafer Alston minutes in the finals and with it our momentum.

Why did the Magic not bring him to Orlando in a front office role?

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I actually was thinking of that as well. I guess because he is a PHI guy and wants to be in his hometown?

[eyriq]

Whoa, Houston beat the Nuggets. Impressive.

[Bergmaniac]

Remember when people thought we won the Fultz trade?

[eyriq]

Remember when people thought we won the Fultz trade?

Ouch. Trading future value for current value is always a risky bet.

[Bergmaniac]

I thought the trade it was worth a shot at the time and we probably would have drafted someone much worse than Maxey with that pick but proclaiming early who won the trade when there are picks invovled is almost always premature.

[Fortune Teller]

Welt would have never taken Maxey. He loathes good shooting.

[pepe1991]

Maxey looks like apsolute beast.
I didn't even noticed he just scored 50

Harden pretty much nuked his legacy, and probably saved 76ers from Embiid trade request by leaving. At leat for now

[Last Guardian]

Whoa, Houston beat the Nuggets. Impressive.

6 game win streak is nothing to scoff at. Us destroying them actually means something now lol. We just assumed we beat a terrible team.

[cedric76]

Remember when people thought we won the Fultz trade?

We won that trade

[jonbob17]

We all know my favorite statistic in FG%. Win the FG% in a given game, and about 90% of the time, you win the game.

Just curious where you came up with this 90% figure?

Assuming it's a fact ("about" usually suggests it's a feeling), it's flawed without the shot mix. Nobody's winning based on FG% without a reasonable percentage of 3pt shots. You CAN have lots of shooters and suck, but you can't NOT have shooters and not suck...This isn't Bad Boys era. If it were, here are the current 5 best players in the world...

1. Mark WilliamsCHA 83.0
2. Jalen SmithIND 71.7
3. Jakob PoeltlTOR 66.7
4. Onyeka OkongwuATL 63.8
5. Jalen DurenDET 63.8

Does Orlando Suck? We don't have any good %/volume shooters, outside Harris, and even he i am not sure qualifies as volume and who has been mostly unavailable. What is relevant is TS% percentage in relation to volume. The list above, yah those teams should find ways to get those guys additional looks through lobs, rolls, and cuts. 75% is 75%, which is the equivalent of a 50% 3 point shooter.

There are different ways to score the basketball, you want the team TS% as high as possible, either through shots at the rim (including by bigs), FTs, converted open threes (150% of a made 2 pointer), or even in some instances the midrange (see Kevin Durant)

Jokic is easily the best basketball player in the world and he made less than 1 three a game last year...obviously what makes him so great is the unbelievable efficiency, 70.1% TS last year, along with giving his teammates what seems like an endless supply of layups and open threes or open shots in general.

Quality shots and making them, and making the other team take contested/bad shots is what wins and loses basketball games.

[Residual-Heat]

Harden at this point should be a 6th man.

[Skybox]

Remember when people thought we won the Fultz trade?

Ouch. Trading future value for current value is always a risky bet.

Ironically, Fultz' "current value" at the time was near zero...He's worth more now. I think it was a good move for ORL that didn't pan out. He was the fairly recent nearly-consensus #1 pick at the most important position in the NBA...he had a weird ailment that, if cleared up, makes it the steal of the decade. It just didn't work out. No regret needed.

I loved Maxey's intensity pre-draft profile, but his shooting was a concern at the time. It wasn't clear what he was going to be. NOBODY saw this coming.

[jonbob17]

ESPN’s top 25 under 25 based on future potential:

1. Luka Doncic
2. Anthony Edwards
3. Victor Wembanyama
4. Tyrese Haliburton
5. Ja Morant
6. Cade Cunningham
7. Zion Williamson
8. Darius Garland
9. LaMelo Ball
10. Jaren Jackson Jr.
11. Tyrese Maxey
12. Evan Mobley
13. Chet Holmgren
14. Paolo Banchero
15. Scottie Barnes
16. Franz Wagner
17. Jalen Williams
18. Josh Giddey
19. Jalen Green
20. Walker Kessler
21. Jalen Duren
22. Tyler Herro
23. Scoot Henderson
24. Keegan Murray
25. Alperen Sengun

Gotta say, this is a really bad list, however whenever they do these lists they tend to be poor

Holmgren over Banchero

A better way to look at is trade value. I am not 100% sure I would trade Paolo or Franz for any on this list besides the top 3...and even then, not sure i would move Paolo for them.
Haliburton and Morant are definite maybes. Franz is better right now than most guys on this list, but doesnt have the quite the upside of several of the guys around and before him, but sometimes a bird in the hand, and the opposite can be said for Paolo.

[Skybox]

Just curious where you came up with this 90% figure?

Assuming it's a fact ("about" usually suggests it's a feeling), it's flawed without the shot mix. Nobody's winning based on FG% without a reasonable percentage of 3pt shots. You CAN have lots of shooters and suck, but you can't NOT have shooters and not suck...This isn't Bad Boys era. If it were, here are the current 5 best players in the world...

1. Mark WilliamsCHA 83.0
2. Jalen SmithIND 71.7
3. Jakob PoeltlTOR 66.7
4. Onyeka OkongwuATL 63.8
5. Jalen DurenDET 63.8

Does Orlando Suck? We don't have any good %/volume shooters, outside Harris, and even he i am not sure qualifies as volume and who has been mostly unavailable. What is relevant is TS% percentage in relation to volume. The list above, yah those teams should find ways to get those guys additional looks through lobs, rolls, and cuts. 75% is 75%, which is the equivalent of a 50% 3 point shooter.

There are different ways to score the basketball, you want the team TS% as high as possible, either through shots at the rim (including by bigs), FTs, converted open threes (150% of a made 2 pointer), or even in some instances the midrange (see Kevin Durant)

Jokic is easily the best basketball player in the world and he made less than 1 three a game last year...obviously what makes him so great is the unbelievable efficiency, 70.1% TS last year, along with giving his teammates what seems like an endless supply of layups and open threes or open shots in general.

Quality shots and making them, and making the other team take contested/bad shots is what wins and loses basketball games.

Not sure if you're missing the sarcasm I intended or if you're just wrong. The guys that have the highest shooting % are not necessarily the most impactful (or even considered exceptional players in most cases). I posted that list to show that shooting % is a terrible basis for ranking players without context. Some of those 5 are pretty good-but not necessarily on the offensive end...despite the high %.

Generally they're big stiffs that drop the ball in the basket 5x per game from within 12 inches.

You're right to point out that our best % shooters don't score aggressively...which is probably why they are high %. They are very selective. Harris is a very efficient 3pt shooter, but he doesn't hunt shots. Somebody looking at a stat sheet would come to the ridiculous conclusion that Harris is more impactful than Luka, Trae, etc because he misses less.

[jonbob17]

Remember when people thought we won the Fultz trade?

Ouch. Trading future value for current value is always a risky bet.

Ironically, Fultz' "current value" at the time was near zero...He's worth more now. I think it was a good move for ORL that didn't pan out. He was the fairly recent nearly-consensus #1 pick at the most important position in the NBA...he had a weird ailment that, if cleared up, makes it the steal of the decade. It just didn't work out. No regret needed.

I loved Maxey's intensity pre-draft profile, but his shooting was a concern at the time. It wasn't clear what he was going to be. NOBODY saw this coming.

Then there's always the argument of where players land. Would Maxey have been given the same opportunity in Orlando? In fact if we had that pick we probably are not taking two very similary players in Cole and Maxey in that draft, both were considered smaller combo guards.