Around the NBA (and other Sports), 2023-24

[JaMarco]

Phily and the Bucks both have higher upside than the Cs now.

Is that your way of saying we're better currently so lack upside?

I'm not even sure if the Cs are better now. But Phily and the Bucks have higher upside because they have 2 true elite talents that can be #1-2s on a championship level team (Giannis/Dame/Embiid/Maxey). Cs only have 1 in Tatum, Brown and KP are only #3s at best on a champion level team. Hopefully having 2 #3s adds up to better than having another #1-2 for the Cs to win it all.

[BK_2020]

Phily and the Bucks both have higher upside than the Cs now.

Is that your way of saying we're better currently so lack upside?

I'm not even sure if the Cs are better now. But Phily and the Bucks have higher upside because they have 2 true elite talents that can be #1-2s on a championship level team (Giannis/Dame/Embiid/Maxey). Cs only have 1 in Tatum, Brown and KP are only #3s at best on a champion level team. Hopefully having 2 #3s adds up to better than having another #1-2 for the Cs to win it all.

Jrue Holiday literally was a #2 on a championship team.

[JaMarco]

Is that your way of saying we're better currently so lack upside?

I'm not even sure if the Cs are better now. But Phily and the Bucks have higher upside because they have 2 true elite talents that can be #1-2s on a championship level team (Giannis/Dame/Embiid/Maxey). Cs only have 1 in Tatum, Brown and KP are only #3s at best on a champion level team. Hopefully having 2 #3s adds up to better than having another #1-2 for the Cs to win it all.

Jrue Holiday literally was a #2 on a championship team.

Nah, Middleton and Holiday were 2 #3s at best for the Bucks that year. Holiday is not an elite talent.

[BK_2020]

I'm not even sure if the Cs are better now. But Phily and the Bucks have higher upside because they have 2 true elite talents that can be #1-2s on a championship level team (Giannis/Dame/Embiid/Maxey). Cs only have 1 in Tatum, Brown and KP are only #3s at best on a champion level team. Hopefully having 2 #3s adds up to better than having another #1-2 for the Cs to win it all.

Jrue Holiday literally was a #2 on a championship team.

Nah, Middleton and Holiday were 2 #3s at best for the Bucks that year. Holiday is not an elite talent.

So we just need someone as good as Khris Middleton to reach the lofty ceiling where Tyrese Maxey resides? I think Porzingis clears that easily.

[KillahGhostface]

Porzingis has been a top 10 player so far, but he can’t be the second option on a title contender? Lmao

[JaMarco]

Jrue Holiday literally was a #2 on a championship team.

Nah, Middleton and Holiday were 2 #3s at best for the Bucks that year. Holiday is not an elite talent.

So we just need someone as good as Khris Middleton to reach the lofty ceiling where Tyrese Maxey resides? I think Porzingis clears that easily.

No, it's relative to the competition. With Brooklyn banged up that year there was no other team in the East with more talent than the Bucks. This year the Cs will have to beat teams in the East with more top end talent.

[JaMarco]

Porzingis has been a top 10 player so far, but he can’t be the second option on a title contender? Lmao

I'm talking about talent level, KP only has made an all-star team once in his career and 0 all-pros. He's a very good player and fits the Cs perfectly, but he's not a great player.

Technically anyone can be the 2nd option on a title contender if they get lucky (Pascal freaking Siakam was a #2 on a champion before).

[KillahGhostface]

Porzingis has been a top 10 player so far, but he can’t be the second option on a title contender? Lmao

I'm talking about talent level, KP only has made an all-star team once in his career and 0 all-pros. He's a very good player and fits the Cs perfectly, but he's not a great player.

Technically anyone can be the 2nd option on a title contender if they get lucky (Pascal freaking Siakam was a #2 on a champion before).

So a 7’3 guy whose an efficient scorer from all over the court, and an all defense guy on top of it, isn’t an elite talent? Come on lol. He’s got a great chance at all nba this season.

Health is the only wildcard with him, and it’s a real concern. But talent wise? He’s insane man.

[sam_I_am]

So a championship team needs a #1 and a #2 like Embiid and Maxey?……so I guess the Sixers will be shoe-ins to win it all……once they figure out how to get past the second round.

[lon3lytoaster]

Phily and the Bucks both have higher upside than the Cs now.

Is that your way of saying we're better currently so lack upside?

I'm not even sure if the Cs are better now. But Phily and the Bucks have higher upside because they have 2 true elite talents that can be #1-2s on a championship level team (Giannis/Dame/Embiid/Maxey). Cs only have 1 in Tatum, Brown and KP are only #3s at best on a champion level team. Hopefully having 2 #3s adds up to better than having another #1-2 for the Cs to win it all.

This is a strange argument I'm not sure I'm following. One, Milwaukkee, while they have time to turn everything around have looked genuinely below average. Very poor defensively and guys like Lopez and Crowder are pretty well cooked. Bad defensive teams do not win championships. Add on to that they are 29th(!) in rebounding, it probably is not going to happen to them without a 180 shift.

I've said I think Philly is legit post-Harden and after installing Nick Nurse. They're good. However, I'm not sure what KP being "only" a one-time all star has to do with him being a mitigated threat, and not good enough when you have three other guys (White, Jrue, Brown) who can absorb and rotate out that "illusive" #2 responsibility. Weird, leaky ship of an argument here.

[Hal14]

Porzingis has been a top 10 player so far, but he can’t be the second option on a title contender? Lmao

I'm talking about talent level, KP only has made an all-star team once in his career and 0 all-pros. He's a very good player and fits the Cs perfectly, but he's not a great player.

Technically anyone can be the 2nd option on a title contender if they get lucky (Pascal freaking Siakam was a #2 on a champion before).

And Jamal Murray coming off a torn ACL was the #2 option on the nuggets team that just won the title. And post-surgery Klay was the #2 option on the 2022 champion Warriors.

[Tatumfor2]

Phily and the Bucks both have higher upside than the Cs now.

Is that your way of saying we're better currently so lack upside?

I'm not even sure if the Cs are better now. But Phily and the Bucks have higher upside because they have 2 true elite talents that can be #1-2s on a championship level team (Giannis/Dame/Embiid/Maxey). Cs only have 1 in Tatum, Brown and KP are only #3s at best on a champion level team. Hopefully having 2 #3s adds up to better than having another #1-2 for the Cs to win it all.

You tooted Denver's horn all last season and you were ultimately correct! However, I would like to submit to the Mod's that you be permanently banned if you're right again!

[KillahGhostface]

OH HELL NAH MAN

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[165bows]

Maxey's been amazing but I also don't know if he's a hyper-efficient 28 ppg PG with a 9:1 assist:TO ratio full time.

[Bar Fight]

Porzingis has been a top 10 player so far, but he can’t be the second option on a title contender? Lmao

Jokic
Luka
Steph
Tatum
Embiid
Giannis
SGA
Durant
Bron
Ant
Mitchell
Maxey

So he's been better than three of those guys?

[sam_I_am]

Maxey's been amazing but I also don't know if he's a hyper-efficient 28 ppg PG with a 9:1 assist:TO ratio full time.

I agree although a lot of Philly fans have been saying this day was coming for the past 2 years. He still has to prove he can be this good consistently and if he can maintain or raise this level in playoffs?

[JaMarco]

So a championship team needs a #1 and a #2 like Embiid and Maxey?……so I guess the Sixers will be shoe-ins to win it all……once they figure out how to get past the second round.

What happened previous years is irrelevant to what will happen this year. Just like it was irrelevant for the Nuggets last year.

Maxey has made an elite superstar leap this year so Philys ceiling is much higher now.

[zoyathedestroya]

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What are the Bucks fans waiting for?! RGM-fire his ass!

Fire him for what? Everyone and their mother KNEW their D might be really bad or at least not good. They had their struggles at times last season with one of the best perimeter defenders of a generation.

Joe has been RGM-fired multiple times for less. It’s only right.

[JaMarco]

Is that your way of saying we're better currently so lack upside?

I'm not even sure if the Cs are better now. But Phily and the Bucks have higher upside because they have 2 true elite talents that can be #1-2s on a championship level team (Giannis/Dame/Embiid/Maxey). Cs only have 1 in Tatum, Brown and KP are only #3s at best on a champion level team. Hopefully having 2 #3s adds up to better than having another #1-2 for the Cs to win it all.

This is a strange argument I'm not sure I'm following. One, Milwaukkee, while they have time to turn everything around have looked genuinely below average. Very poor defensively and guys like Lopez and Crowder are pretty well cooked. Bad defensive teams do not win championships. Add on to that they are 29th(!) in rebounding, it probably is not going to happen to them without a 180 shift.

I've said I think Philly is legit post-Harden and after installing Nick Nurse. They're good. However, I'm not sure what KP being "only" a one-time all star has to do with him being a mitigated threat, and not good enough when you have three other guys (White, Jrue, Brown) who can absorb and rotate out that "illusive" #2 responsibility. Weird, leaky ship of an argument here.

I'm not saying Phily and Mil are necessarily better than the Cs now, just that they have a higher ceiling because they have better top end talent. Cs might ultimately be deeper/more well balanced.

[zoyathedestroya]

OH HELL NAH MAN

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Instead of introducing so many gimmicks into the season, Adam Silver should focus on banning injuries instead. Will make the game for enjoyable for fans.