It's time to turn the page on Fultz.

[p0peye]

I'm so ready to move on.

I've frickin' read the book.

[p0peye]

We have our backup PG in Cole, that much is almost set in stone. The question on who is starter between Black and Fultz is not really a question worth asking at this point.

[Skybox]

well, at this point it seems most people here are ready to move on.. next question is what to do next? Do we trade for another starting PG like Brogdon? Do we start Black? Do we try to get a SG? Should we save our assets in case the opportunity for a big move presents itself?

maybe someone can add a poll?

I think you move him in some kind of package for a vet that can take Black under his wing while providing some short term success for the rest of the season.

It will also avoid the FO from getting egg of their face for letting Fultz walk beforehand for absolutely zero return. Thats just my opinion.

I do like Brogdon because he can play with any other backcourt partner - on or off ball. I'd prefer Simons long-term, so (for me) who's more available and for how much?

I've posted much bigger, broader trades...but given how well guys with questions have been playing, I'm a bit more willing to take a smaller step, like...

Fultz & Chuma & ORL 24frp (top 5) for Brogdon...I don't think DEN 25 frp would be enough

or same offer PLUS DEN 25 frp for Simons...Brogdon is better today, but Simons is a longer term bet and an elite, athletic, bomber

I think these are both plausible offers...POR isn't in any great rush and will expect value for these two. Either would be great.

[MasterGMer]

To me, I still think Fultz has the complete skill set to be a very good starting PG in the league. His ball handling, speed and athleticism plus size, ability to attack the rim while making plays. I also thought his 3s is improving thus I had high expectations for him.

But the start of THIS season? I am disappointed. Not only he made 0 threes, but also he remains out for this early season.

Another fact is Anthony Black is thriving now. That makes the whole world wonder who is going to be the future PG of Orlando Magic.

I hope Fultz can come back and light it up. We are not trading him this early. But we will see

[RichCollab]

Fultz needs to get his knee right. My question is how do we add shooting to the SL? I do think WCJ is an upgrade over Goga in that department.

I still feel only one of Suggs/Black makes SL after the next 2 years. We need 1 elite shooter in our SL.

Love what Suggs and Black have shown so far.

I actually think Fultz would be one of the best PGs on a second unit in the NBA just not here.

We need rotational shooters.

[eyriq]

Fultz needs to get his knee right. My question is how do we add shooting to the SL? I do think WCJ is an upgrade over Goga in that department.

I still feel only one of Suggs/Black makes SL after the next 2 years. We need 1 elite shooter in our SL.

Love what Suggs and Black have shown so far.

I actually think Fultz would be one of the best PGs on a second unit in the NBA just not here.

We need rotational shooters.

I can see this. Jett starting isn't outside the realm of possibility

[RichCollab]

Goga needs to sit. He is getting eaten alive.

[BlueBalls]

well, at this point it seems most people here are ready to move on.. next question is what to do next? Do we trade for another starting PG like Brogdon? Do we start Black? Do we try to get a SG? Should we save our assets in case the opportunity for a big move presents itself?

maybe someone can add a poll?

I think you move him in some kind of package for a vet that can take Black under his wing while providing some short term success for the rest of the season.

It will also avoid the FO from getting egg of their face for letting Fultz walk beforehand for absolutely zero return. Thats just my opinion.

I do like Brogdon because he can play with any other backcourt partner - on or off ball. I'd prefer Simons long-term, so (for me) who's more available and for how much?

I've posted much bigger, broader trades...but given how well guys with questions have been playing, I'm a bit more willing to take a smaller step, like...

Fultz & Chuma & ORL 24frp (top 5) for Brogdon...I don't think DEN 25 frp would be enough

or same offer PLUS DEN 25 frp for Simons...Brogdon is better today, but Simons is a longer term bet and an elite, athletic, bomber

I think these are both plausible offers...POR isn't in any great rush and will expect value for these two. Either would be great.

Fultz and a top 5 pick for Malcolm Brogdon? Wow. That’s…a take.

[KillMonger]

Why brogdon? Why is that name keep getting brought up? Guy has yet to have a healthy season under his belt... Don't we have enough of these injury prone types?

Sent from the phone in my hands

[cedric76]

We need fultz

[Skybox]

I think you move him in some kind of package for a vet that can take Black under his wing while providing some short term success for the rest of the season.

It will also avoid the FO from getting egg of their face for letting Fultz walk beforehand for absolutely zero return. Thats just my opinion.

I do like Brogdon because he can play with any other backcourt partner - on or off ball. I'd prefer Simons long-term, so (for me) who's more available and for how much?

I've posted much bigger, broader trades...but given how well guys with questions have been playing, I'm a bit more willing to take a smaller step, like...

Fultz & Chuma & ORL 24frp (top 5) for Brogdon...I don't think DEN 25 frp would be enough

or same offer PLUS DEN 25 frp for Simons...Brogdon is better today, but Simons is a longer term bet and an elite, athletic, bomber

I think these are both plausible offers...POR isn't in any great rush and will expect value for these two. Either would be great.

Fultz and a top 5 pick for Malcolm Brogdon? Wow. That’s…a take.

Top 5 protected pick…it shouldn’t even be in the lottery unless we have terrible injury luck. Do you the DEN pick (likely 25-30) is sufficient? Fultz isn’t valued by POR…expiring salary. Brogdon is the reigning 6th man of the year.

[drsd]

We need fultz

If Orlando makes the playoffs, then we will see that Fultz has had a positive year for the team.

[Skybox]

We need fultz

If Orlando makes the playoffs, then we will see that Fultz has had a positive year for the team.

Players can be evaluated independently…not every player contributes to success. It may become clear that his spot is the weakest link, regardless of how far the team goes

[drsd]

We need fultz

If Orlando makes the playoffs, then we will see that Fultz has had a positive year for the team.

Players can be evaluated independently…not every player contributes to success. It may become clear that his spot is the weakest link, regardless of how far the team goes

I am arguing that unless Fultz steps up, this Magic team as constructed cannot be successful (if the 8-seed is "success").


..

[Fortune Teller]

This is Fultz’s 5th year with the team. What exactly are we expecting will happen at this point that is different?

[RichCollab]

Offense flows best out of any of our PGs when Fultz on the floor. It doesn’t mean that there isn’t major problems when Fultz is out there.

Fultz can create on his own and it does help sometimes. But Fultz limits upside for us and contributes to no spacing.

[BlueBalls]

I do like Brogdon because he can play with any other backcourt partner - on or off ball. I'd prefer Simons long-term, so (for me) who's more available and for how much?

I've posted much bigger, broader trades...but given how well guys with questions have been playing, I'm a bit more willing to take a smaller step, like...

Fultz & Chuma & ORL 24frp (top 5) for Brogdon...I don't think DEN 25 frp would be enough

or same offer PLUS DEN 25 frp for Simons...Brogdon is better today, but Simons is a longer term bet and an elite, athletic, bomber

I think these are both plausible offers...POR isn't in any great rush and will expect value for these two. Either would be great.

Fultz and a top 5 pick for Malcolm Brogdon? Wow. That’s…a take.

Top 5 protected pick…it shouldn’t even be in the lottery unless we have terrible injury luck. Do you the DEN pick (likely 25-30) is sufficient? Fultz isn’t valued by POR…expiring salary. Brogdon is the reigning 6th man of the year.

Oh, a return to the lottery is a very real possibility. Very real. And Brogdon, although a good player and someone we could use, doesn’t change that trajectory in a meaningful way.

[yoyojw17]

Fultz and a top 5 pick for Malcolm Brogdon? Wow. That’s…a take.

Top 5 protected pick…it shouldn’t even be in the lottery unless we have terrible injury luck. Do you the DEN pick (likely 25-30) is sufficient? Fultz isn’t valued by POR…expiring salary. Brogdon is the reigning 6th man of the year.

Oh, a return to the lottery is a very real possibility. Very real. And Brogdon, although a good player and someone we could use, doesn’t change that trajectory in a meaningful way.

annnnnnnd he's not a figure of health either. lol

shoot.... he's out now again too with a strained hamstring. Assuming everyone thinks "availability is the best ability" still. haha

[Skybox]

Fultz and a top 5 pick for Malcolm Brogdon? Wow. That’s…a take.

Top 5 protected pick…it shouldn’t even be in the lottery unless we have terrible injury luck. Do you the DEN pick (likely 25-30) is sufficient? Fultz isn’t valued by POR…expiring salary. Brogdon is the reigning 6th man of the year.

Oh, a return to the lottery is a very real possibility. Very real. And Brogdon, although a good player and someone we could use, doesn’t change that trajectory in a meaningful way.

Do you think Brogdon could approach the impact Jett Howard has had so far?

[Skybox]

Top 5 protected pick…it shouldn’t even be in the lottery unless we have terrible injury luck. Do you the DEN pick (likely 25-30) is sufficient? Fultz isn’t valued by POR…expiring salary. Brogdon is the reigning 6th man of the year.

Oh, a return to the lottery is a very real possibility. Very real. And Brogdon, although a good player and someone we could use, doesn’t change that trajectory in a meaningful way.

Do you think Brogdon could approach the impact Jett Howard has had so far?

Not a knock on Jett…just the idea that more raw teenagers is what we need. Next year’s draft is considered weak and Brogdon is a very established player who happens to do everything we need from a guard…The only concern is that POR would hang up.