Celtics Stung! Loss vs CHA 11/20

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

The refs aren't to blame for the dumb mistakes our team makes but this was still frustrating to watch. They can even adjust the clock but decided, "nah, let's just all go home", the same way they didn't call Embiid stepping on the baseline in our loss to the Sixers.

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The not recognized by officials is also BS. The Celts brought it to their attention.

[Fierce1]

This is also a 4-game road trip that started in Philly.

Cs ended the road trip 3-1.

[JR Hawks]

1. What has Joe Mazzulla done to earn the right to be the only coach in the league that doesn't use timeouts to stop another team's run? Stunning arrogance from someone that hasn't accomplished anything.

2. The players and coach need to start letting Holiday play point guard and initiate the offense. He's playing like a guy that has no role on offense, because he doesn't.

3. Nobody wants to admit it, but the Derrick White situation is getting really weird. Being a part-time player when the Celtics are on the road is not acceptable, so this better be something serious rather than just being a parent.

[KillahGhostface]

3. Nobody wants to admit it, but the Derrick White situation is getting really weird. Being a part-time player when the Celtics are on the road is not acceptable, so this better be something serious rather than just being a parent.

Don't tell people to shut up. It's a violation of posting guidelines whether it's typed out or in an image/gif.

Disagree with the post but don't insult the poster. -b

[return2glory]

We are .500 without White. That shows how important White is and how overrated Tatum and Brown are. I said it last year and I will say it again, Tatum and Brown primarily focus on getting their points.

This team is a disaster without Tatum, lumping him and Jaylen together is also weird/lazy.

Is this the artist formerly known as the Comedian?

Nothing weird about lumping Brown and Tatum together. But are great scorers, with bad assists to TO ratios. Both look to gets their points more than making the right passes and choke under pressure. They relax on defense too much.

That being said, Tatum is obviously a top 5-10 talent in the league. Brown is somewhere between 20-40.

[KillahGhostface]

We are .500 without White. That shows how important White is and how overrated Tatum and Brown are. I said it last year and I will say it again, Tatum and Brown primarily focus on getting their points.

This team is a disaster without Tatum, lumping him and Jaylen together is also weird/lazy.

Is this the artist formerly known as the Comedian?

Nothing weird about lumping Brown and Tatum together. But are great scorers, with bad assists to TO ratios. Both look to gets their points more than making the right passes and choke under pressure.

First off, yes lol. I’ve been pretty clear about it, no interest in not being able to double down on my own crazy takes.

It’s very weird, and a ridiculous oversimplification. Tatum consistently makes the right pass, which is basically universally acknowledged. As you’ve been shown with stats multiple times, Tatum has proven to be extremely clutch. Just has that nightmare finals on his record, of course. People who drop 46 and 51 in elimination games don’t choke under pressure, be serious.

You’ve been shown the numbers how the team plays with them on or off the court. The team plays like a lottery team with Tatum sitting, year in and year out. Players who have that level of impact are not overrated lol. Multiple national writers have come out the last few days and said exactly what I say in the below post.

I am so sick of the lumping of him and Tatum together lol, as you can tell this morning. Tatum scored 45 and had 15 potential assists, makes the right/unselfish play 90%+ of the time, they may have similar shot profiles, but they play nothing alike. Tatum is at his career high in potential assists, despite his usage being down quite a bit. Jaylen at his lowest number since 20-21, FWIW.

We have an offense full of willing passers, and he just bogs everything down. When Tatum is on the court, it doesn’t matter because he’s such a floor raiser, but when he sits? Well, our offensive rating plummets to 104.9, which would be JUST ahead of the Blazers for worst in the league.

Like I’ve been saying for a month now, this offense makes everyone’s lives easier, and Jaylen is out there overdribbling into contested fadeaways and bad threes, which he’s now under 35% over his last 1000 attempts. He’s scoring less, and less efficiently, rebounding less, passing less, but you know, he keeps improving every year!

Rant over.

[exculpatory]

There is no comparison.
JT is a MVP candidate w a few flaws to iron out.
#7 has a few special skills which he demonstrates occasionally - but otherwise simply sucks & is a **** loser who drags the team down all too often - especially considering his obscene salary.

[return2glory]

This team is a disaster without Tatum, lumping him and Jaylen together is also weird/lazy.

Is this the artist formerly known as the Comedian?

Nothing weird about lumping Brown and Tatum together. But are great scorers, with bad assists to TO ratios. Both look to gets their points more than making the right passes and choke under pressure.

First off, yes lol. I’ve been pretty clear about it, no interest in not being able to double down on my own crazy takes.

It’s very weird, and a ridiculous oversimplification. Tatum consistently makes the right pass, which is basically universally acknowledged. As you’ve been shown with stats multiple times, Tatum has proven to be extremely clutch. Just has that nightmare finals on his record, of course. People who drop 46 and 51 in elimination games don’t choke under pressure, be serious.

You’ve been shown the numbers how the team plays with them on or off the court. The team plays like a lottery team with Tatum sitting, year in and year out. Players who have that level of impact are not overrated lol. Multiple national writers have come out the last few days and said exactly what I say in the below post.

I am so sick of the lumping of him and Tatum together lol, as you can tell this morning. Tatum scored 45 and had 15 potential assists, makes the right/unselfish play 90%+ of the time, they may have similar shot profiles, but they play nothing alike. Tatum is at his career high in potential assists, despite his usage being down quite a bit. Jaylen at his lowest number since 20-21, FWIW.

We have an offense full of willing passers, and he just bogs everything down. When Tatum is on the court, it doesn’t matter because he’s such a floor raiser, but when he sits? Well, our offensive rating plummets to 104.9, which would be JUST ahead of the Blazers for worst in the league.

Like I’ve been saying for a month now, this offense makes everyone’s lives easier, and Jaylen is out there overdribbling into contested fadeaways and bad threes, which he’s now under 35% over his last 1000 attempts. He’s scoring less, and less efficiently, rebounding less, passing less, but you know, he keeps improving every year!

Rant over.

Ya, your takes sounded like the Comedian. Didn't know you changed your name 3 times.

Potential assists? When did that become a thing. You either get an assist or you don't. Tatum and Brown have always been bad assists to TO guys. I disliked the way both of them played last year because making their teammates better took a back seat to them trying to see how can get more points in each game.

Tatum and Brown both crumble in the closing minutes of close games. Especially Brown. The only reason we have been clutch as a team this year is because of White, Jrue and KP. Last night White didn't play and Holiday and KP struggled in the closing minutes.

For the amount of talent this team has with the additions of Jrue and KP, I expect both Tatum and Brown to pass the ball more to their teammates.

You look at the top players in the league. Who are why and then look at their willingness to share the ball.

In no order:

1. Embiid: 6.2 assists per game. From a 7-1 center.
2. Jokic: 8.7 assists per game. From a 7-0 center.
3. Doncic: 8.1 assists per game.
4. Giannis: 4.6 assists per game: 7 footer
5. Gilgeous-Alexander: 5.8 assists
6. Tatum: 4.1 assists
7. Anthony Edwards: 5.1 assists
8. D. Mithcell: 5.3 assists
9. KD: 5.5 assists

Tatum is last in assists in that group and 2nd to last in assists to TO ratio behind Giannis.

Would we be a lottery team without Tatum in years past? Probably. Tatum is a top 5-10 player in the league like I mentioned earlier. Brown has one of the lowest BBIQs in the league, so no he isn't in the same class as the top players. Either way, I'm glad we have Tatum and Brown on our team. Just want to see them sharing the ball more with their teammates.

[return2glory]

There is no comparison.
JT is a MVP candidate w a few flaws to iron out.
#7 has a few special skills which he demonstrates occasionally - but otherwise simply sucks & is a **** loser who drags the team down all too often - especially considering his obscene salary.

That's harsh. Just because he said a stupid thing against a certain religion doesn't make him a loser. It's obvious how much you hate Brown after that comment is.

[exculpatory]

There is no comparison.
JT is a MVP candidate w a few flaws to iron out.
#7 has a few special skills which he demonstrates occasionally - but otherwise simply sucks & is a **** loser who drags the team down all too often - especially considering his obscene salary.

That's harsh. Just because he said a stupid thing against a certain religion doesn't make him a loser. It's obvious how much you hate Brown after that comment is.

You missed my post a few weeks ago where I stated very clearly that I am very much rooting for him to do well in order to win a chip, & that I would only critique him basketball wise. And that is all I do now.

So don’t tell me why I write what I write. I give him credit when he plays well & I **** on him when he **** up (all too often).

(Personally speaking, since YOU brought it up, he did several things that were much much more than ‘stupid’. They were absolutely despicable & intolerable. And I have not heard a word of apology from him since.)

[Parliament10]

3. Nobody wants to admit it, but the Derrick White situation is getting really weird. Being a part-time player when the Celtics are on the road is not acceptable, so this better be something serious rather than just being a parent.

JR Hawks =
Being a parent is more serious than being a basketball player.
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KillahGhostface =
The "Shut Up!" Meme is too offensive.
Please Refrain from doing this.

~ Parl

[Triple7]

Damn! Celtics pay 300M to this dude???? Lol. We played great team game when the guy was out, and played awful the past two games against two horrible teams when he comes back lol. Its not rocket science.

[Parliament10]

There is no comparison.
JT is a MVP candidate w a few flaws to iron out.
#7 has a few special skills which he demonstrates occasionally - but otherwise simply sucks & is a **** loser who drags the team down all too often - especially considering his obscene salary.

That's harsh. Just because he said a stupid thing against a certain religion doesn't make him a loser. It's obvious how much you hate Brown after that comment is.

You missed my post a few weeks ago where I stated very clearly that I am very much rooting for him to do well in order to win a chip, & that I would only critique him basketball wise. And that is all I do now.

So don’t tell me why I write what I write. I give him credit when he plays well & I **** on him when he **** up (all too often).

(Personally speaking, since YOU brought it up, he did several things that were much much more than ‘stupid’. They were absolutely despicable & intolerable. And I have not heard a word of apology from him since.)

Religious Comments belong on another Forum.
Keep this about basketball.

AND -- You Do Not have to respond to another poster.

~ Parl

[exculpatory]

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[exculpatory]

That's harsh. Just because he said a stupid thing against a certain religion doesn't make him a loser. It's obvious how much you hate Brown after that comment is.

You missed my post a few weeks ago where I stated very clearly that I am very much rooting for him to do well in order to win a chip, & that I would only critique him basketball wise. And that is all I do now.

So don’t tell me why I write what I write. I give him credit when he plays well & I **** on him when he **** up (all too often).

(Personally speaking, since YOU brought it up, he did several things that were much much more than ‘stupid’. They were absolutely despicable & intolerable. And I have not heard a word of apology from him since.)

Religious Comments belong on another Forum.
Keep this about basketball.

AND -- You Do Not have to respond to another poster.

~ Parl[/quote]

1) He is the one who brought this stuff up - after my original post which ONLY PERTAINED to his basketball pros & cons. And I responded clearly & appropriately.

2) Therefore, it is acceptable under REALGM TOS to allow excuses to be made for flagrantly antisemitic behavior? Thanks for the update.

[Parliament10]

You missed my post a few weeks ago where I stated very clearly that I am very much rooting for him to do well in order to win a chip, & that I would only critique him basketball wise. And that is all I do now.

So don’t tell me why I write what I write. I give him credit when he plays well & I **** on him when he **** up (all too often).

(Personally speaking, since YOU brought it up, he did several things that were much much more than ‘stupid’. They were absolutely despicable & intolerable. And I have not heard a word of apology from him since.)

Religious Comments belong on another Forum.
Keep this about basketball.

AND -- You Do Not have to respond to another poster.

~ Parl

1) He is the one who brought this stuff up - after my original post which ONLY PERTAINED to his basketball pros & cons. And I responded clearly & appropriately.

2) Therefore, it is acceptable under REALGM TOS to allow excuses to be made for flagrantly antisemitic behavior? Thanks for the update.

Wow. I just told you that Religion doesn't belong here.
Keep it on Basketball.

~ Parl

[exculpatory]

Damn! Celtics pay 300M to this dude???? Lol. We played great team game when the guy was out, and played awful the past two games against two horrible teams when he comes back lol. Its not rocket science.

Lots of people sucked the last couple of games.
Zinger & Sam rescued our asses vs Grizz…after 7 & JT were bad.
JT ran out of gas & Pritch was awesome - but badness of 7 & Jrue unfortunately was too much to overcome vs Hornets.
Common denominator = #7.

In order to win #18, we need #7 playing to his strengths & diminishing his many persistent 8 year flaws.
I will root for him to be the best version of himself - not optimistic.
And then trade his ass in a millisecond on 7/1/2024 - championship or not.

[Deivork]

How bad was that deep Brown three in overtime? And Jrue missing the two free throws was bad. But maybe worst of all, in a game where Tatum had 31 in the first half, he only scored 10 points in the second, and did not look for his shot at all in crunch time. He had one layup attempt that didn't go in. Stars and those wanting to be MVP have to step up at the end of close games. Tatum did not tonight.

Yup once again Tatum let others be ball dominant/take shots to start the second half. I think he had 1 shot attempt in the first 8 minutes of the third…like when you are hot like that, you need to continue being aggressive especially when others are struggling. Not sure why Tatum has quarters where he defers too much. Yeah we have talent but this is your team lol nobody should bat an eye if you ball hogged when you were carrying the offense. Tatum loses his hot touch the time he doesn’t get involved for a large stretch of the quarter.

Fair point, but is him ball-hogging sustainable offense? How about he instead focuses on being effective when he's 1b ala Paul George?

[BK_2020]

5 of 13 possessions in the first 8 minutes of the third q were either transition or semi-transition or a quick turnover (Jrue bad pass). Then there was a Jaylen heatcheck after he made one shot--a possession where Jaylen took the ball coast to coast only to brick a floater.
Of the remaining 7 possessions, Tatum was involved in almost all the possessions, including 1 post up and 1 pick and roll which turned into a post up when the Hornets defended it well.
You can't just say Tatum needs to shoot more. He was involved in the actions and created open shots or other opportunities for his teammates as a decoy. It's up to his teammates to execute, which they largely failed to do.
Hauser missed an opportunity to either shoot an open three or pass to cutting Jaylen or KP for a layup.
Jaylen missed an open three.
Porzingis missed an open three (he went to the line two times, however)
Jaylen botched a play by taking full 3 seconds to make an easy entry pass because he was tap dancing to see if he could turn it into an ISO instead (then he set a bad screen for Tatum)
Then all of a sudden it's a 2 point game when Jaylen sits.

[BK_2020]

If I'm Jrue here I toss it up for Porzingis and cross my fingers. Or anything other than the pass he actually made, really.