NBA In-Season Tournament

Post #81 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:03 pm

A pick at the top of the 2nd round to the second place team. A pick after the lottery to the first place team. Players on both teams get nice bonuses. Boom, now I'm invested.

Thunder Muscle · Post #82 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:08 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:A pick at the top of the 2nd round to the second place team. A pick after the lottery to the first place team. Players on both teams get nice bonuses. Boom, now I'm invested.

I like that.

jschligs · Post #83 » by **jschligs** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:23 pm

Badgerlander wrote:
jschligs wrote:
Thunder Muscle wrote:My understanding is this is a like an European or English soccer idea, right? As a non-soccer guy, is this (in-season tourney) a big deal in those leagues? Especially with the fans?

Depends on the tourney. But having bragging rights to trophies is something fans jaw about all the time. Champions League (European wide club tourney), Europa, Conference League are all pretty big. But things like Carabao Cup (England only tourney) usually get B/C squads for the bigger clubs.

Have no idea what any of this is. Would I care more about the nba tourney if I knew what this stuff was? I did enjoy Ted Lasso, does that count?

The Champions League and the lower tiered cups over there are awesome because it’s across all the major countries leagues. It’d be like if we played the top teams from every pro league around the world. But US teams would always win. I too loved Ted Lasso.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #84 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:24 pm

IMHO the 14th pick is too valuable. Like you can't have Prime Warriors getting a free asset like that. A late first is good enough. Say 25th (Basically an extra playoff team pick). Or give some salary cap relief. That would satisfy owners, players would be satisfied with cash payouts, and fans would be satisfied with some really good regular season basketball.

Like I get why you guys would be invested to watch more because of a first/second round pick 8 months from now, but I don't think it moves the casuals.

emunney · Post #85 » by **emunney** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:31 pm

The prize should be automatic playoff qualification.

JonHeist · Post #86 » by **JonHeist** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:37 pm

emunney wrote:The prize should be automatic playoff qualification.

*play-in qualification (IMO)

also, I like love the idea of the winner getting a pick, but 15th is way too high

31 would be fine

hopefully this year's tournament is a big success (with the Bucks winning)

and next year it's $1M per player (500k to runner-up), a guaranteed play-in birth (winner only), and the 31st pick (32 to the runner up)

steger_3434 · Post #87 » by **steger_3434** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:45 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Giving the teams that make the final game draft picks was a layup. You couldn't call it meaningless with draft picks on the line. It'd give fans a reason to be invested. Hopefully we see that if the tournament returns.

I’m positive you don’t watch a single soccer game and have the American egocentric view that it’s stupid, but the fa cup, Copa del Rey, and Copa italia are pretty big tournaments with the countries of England, Spain and Italy. As big as the league cup? No, but neither is this mid season tourney.

As far as your getting hurt comment? Every single one of these games except the final would have been played regardless so that makes no sense.

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MVP2110 · Post #88 » by **MVP2110** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:46 pm

JonHeist wrote:
emunney wrote:The prize should be automatic playoff qualification.

*play-in qualification (IMO)

also, I like love the idea of the winner getting a pick, but 15th is way too high

31 would be fine

hopefully this year's tournament is a big success (with the Bucks winning)

and next year it's $1M per player (500k to runner-up), a guaranteed play-in birth (winner only), and the 31st pick (32 to the runner up)

I don't think 2nd place needs anything. The prize money for the players and coaches plus adding in the 31st pick to the winning team works for me. But tbh as long as players and coaches are motivated and fans are watching more(which seems to be happening) then I don't think it's a big deal. Us as fans get to watch the best players compete at a high level, that should be awesome enough by itself

Post #89 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:03 am

steger_3434 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Giving the teams that make the final game draft picks was a layup. You couldn't call it meaningless with draft picks on the line. It'd give fans a reason to be invested. Hopefully we see that if the tournament returns.

I’m positive you don’t watch a single soccer game and have the American egocentric view that it’s stupid, but the fa cup, Copa del Rey, and Copa italia are pretty big tournaments with the countries of England, Spain and Italy. As big as the league cup? No, but neither is this mid season tourney.

As far as your getting hurt comment? Every single one of these games except the final would have been played regardless so that makes no sense.

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Thanks. It took me 30 seconds of Googling to find out that there's an actual, tangible reason fans would want to see their teams win the FA Cup, Coppa Italia, and Copa del Rey. That reason doesn't exist with the in season tournament.

steger_3434 · Post #90 » by **steger_3434** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:17 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
steger_3434 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Giving the teams that make the final game draft picks was a layup. You couldn't call it meaningless with draft picks on the line. It'd give fans a reason to be invested. Hopefully we see that if the tournament returns.

I’m positive you don’t watch a single soccer game and have the American egocentric view that it’s stupid, but the fa cup, Copa del Rey, and Copa italia are pretty big tournaments with the countries of England, Spain and Italy. As big as the league cup? No, but neither is this mid season tourney.

As far as your getting hurt comment? Every single one of these games except the final would have been played regardless so that makes no sense.

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Thanks. It took me 30 seconds of Googling to find out that there's an actual, tangible reason fans would want to see their teams win the FA Cup, Coppa Italia, and Copa del Rey. That reason doesn't exist with the in season tournament.

And it’s not to get a draft pick. I wish the nba would do a champions league tourney with Europe and the winner of this qualifies for that along with the nba semi finalists in the regular season. But since that won’t happen in my lifetime giving the winner of this homecourt in the first round would make this better. But as is it’s not horrible. The fa cup in 1890 or whenever it started was t what it is today. I’m guessing in 100 years this mid season tourney evolves into meaning more as well

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Post #91 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:20 am

steger_3434 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
steger_3434 wrote:I’m positive you don’t watch a single soccer game and have the American egocentric view that it’s stupid, but the fa cup, Copa del Rey, and Copa italia are pretty big tournaments with the countries of England, Spain and Italy. As big as the league cup? No, but neither is this mid season tourney.

As far as your getting hurt comment? Every single one of these games except the final would have been played regardless so that makes no sense.

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Thanks. It took me 30 seconds of Googling to find out that there's an actual, tangible reason fans would want to see their teams win the FA Cup, Coppa Italia, and Copa del Rey. That reason doesn't exist with the in season tournament.

And it’s not to get a draft pick.

But it is something. When the this this thing actually means something it'll be worth paying attention to. Until then you're just being pandered to with new basketball courts and a lot of people being paid to lie about how much they love it.

blazza18 · Post #92 » by **blazza18** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:21 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
steger_3434 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Giving the teams that make the final game draft picks was a layup. You couldn't call it meaningless with draft picks on the line. It'd give fans a reason to be invested. Hopefully we see that if the tournament returns.

I’m positive you don’t watch a single soccer game and have the American egocentric view that it’s stupid, but the fa cup, Copa del Rey, and Copa italia are pretty big tournaments with the countries of England, Spain and Italy. As big as the league cup? No, but neither is this mid season tourney.

As far as your getting hurt comment? Every single one of these games except the final would have been played regardless so that makes no sense.

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Thanks. It took me 30 seconds of Googling to find out that there's an actual, tangible reason fans would want to see their teams win the FA Cup, Coppa Italia, and Copa del Rey. That reason doesn't exist with the in season tournament.

Give it time like those other competitions and there could be.

Thunder Muscle · Post #93 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:11 am

Well we’re going to get a home knockout round game next week. If its Tuesday, I may try to go and see how it goes.

Profound23 · Post #94 » by **Profound23** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:13 am

Boston "We don't care about this tournament, who cares about point differential?"

Yeah, seems like it.

Post #95 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:51 am

I've come around quite a bit. I've always hated the 6 month, 82 game slog. At least now there are some games early in the season where teams play hard and you know there will be no healthy scratches.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #96 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:55 am

I like the draft pick to the winner idea. Add an extra pick to the end of the 1st round. Make it immediately tradable too, would be a good incentive for teams who've traded a bunch of future picks to grab an asset they can use at the deadline. (End of the lotto feels like too big of a prize)

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Thunder Muscle · Post #97 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:57 am

Me too. It has been kind of fun following the scenarios tonight, especially with point differential being a main tiebreaker. It seems like quite a few teams were engaged. Definitely added to what would’ve been a normal November slate. Looking forward to the knockout round too.

msiris · Post #98 » by **msiris** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:12 am

MickeyDavis wrote:I've come around quite a bit. I've always hated the 6 month, 82 game slog. At least now there are some games early in the season where teams play hard and you know there will be no healthy scratches.

A shorter season would be ideal. Play a 72 game season where you play each wc team twice and you play each ec team 4 times with no b2b.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #99 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:12 am

MickeyDavis wrote:I've come around quite a bit. I've always hated the 6 month, 82 game slog. At least now there are some games early in the season where teams play hard and you know there will be no healthy scratches.

This is where I'm at. Anything that can make games during the regular season even slightly more important is favorable to me. I don't need my team to be rewarded with draft picks for winning. Watching players hold a trophy at the end of a hard-fought tournament is enjoyable as a fan.

The only thing I don't like about the tournament is that the championship game doesn't count for the season. I feel like they should count the stats and reward the winning team with a W but the losing team doesn't get a L.

MikeIsGood · Post #100 » by **MikeIsGood** » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:13 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I like the draft pick to the winner idea. Add an extra pick to the end of the 1st round. Make it immediately tradable too, would be a good incentive for teams who've traded a bunch of future picks to grab an asset they can use at the deadline. (End of the lotto feels like too big of a prize)

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This is cool in theory, but not convinced the players actually care. I'm not sure incentivizing the GM (and fans) is really the goal.

Do you like the NBA In-Season Tournament?