Game 19: Clippers at Warriors

marthafokker · Post #181 » by **marthafokker** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:38 am

Anyone noticed that Dubbs only played 2 really bad teams this month? While Fakers got to play so many bad teams already.

Hope Dubbs can beat up some bad teams next month.

CDM_Stats · Post #182 » by **CDM_Stats** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:43 am

There are very few bad teams in the West this year... Portland, Memphis, San Antonio are pretty much it. Clippers aren't very good and I dont see a big resurgence there. Do expect the Pels, Rockets, and Mavs to tumble based on a few team metrics that have been reliable in the past. OKC looks legit by the same metric, and the Jazz should rise a bit from their current status too.

Lakers and Kings also extremely shaky

EvanZ · Post #183 » by **EvanZ** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:44 am

marthafokker wrote:Anyone noticed that Dubbs only played 2 really bad teams this month? While Fakers got to play so many bad teams already.

Hope Dubbs can beat up some bad teams next month.

They’ve had the second hardest schedule

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cpower · Post #184 » by **cpower** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:50 am

we actually beat a team with Steph being cold all night...that says a lot...
it would be awkward when we start to lose games when wigs come back

Crazy-Canuck · Post #185 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:54 am

cpower wrote:we actually beat a team with Steph being cold all night...that says a lot...
it would be awkward when we start to lose games when wigs come back

This was a Clippers schedule loss. This trend heavily favored a dubs win tonight.

3 in 4 nights
B2b
Dubs were rested.

It's the next game vs the clips that will be more telling about dubs.

This win didn't tell us much, but a loss would have been just brutal.

SpreeS · Post #186 » by **SpreeS** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:55 am

cpower wrote:we actually beat a team with Steph being cold all night...that says a lot...
it would be awkward when we start to lose games when wigs come back

Relax. You beat old team on B2B with negative record. there is nothing to be proud or happy about. Starters are negative again and bench saved their ass’

wco81 · Post #187 » by **wco81** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:59 am

CDM_Stats wrote:Klay standing around watching AGAIN

Oh no, Klay actually had a decent game!

Better than his heir apparent and even better than the one who can do no wrong.

This sucks, Warriors won so Klay can't be scapegoated!

Or can't he?

Crazy-Canuck · Post #188 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:59 am

marthafokker wrote:Anyone noticed that Dubbs only played 2 really bad teams this month? While Fakers got to play so many bad teams already.

Hope Dubbs can beat up some bad teams next month.

Dubs have had the strongest schedule thus far.

They will have the 4th weakest from here on out.

cpower · Post #189 » by **cpower** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:06 am

cpower wrote:wihout wiggins we have a great chance tonight. Him and Klay just do not go well together.

like i said, Curry and Wiggins have issues playing together (-9 in 100 poss), Klay and Wiggins have issues playing together (-9 in 100 poss) and same for Green. Sadly Wiggins is the odd man out here. I wont be surprised if we ship him out, actually Wiggins and JK would make a good package and hopefully land us a star level forward.

CDM_Stats · Post #190 » by **CDM_Stats** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:07 am

wco81 wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:Klay standing around watching AGAIN

Oh no, Klay actually had a decent game!

Better than his heir apparent and even better than the one who can do no wrong.

This sucks, Warriors won so Klay can't be scapegoated!

Or can't he?

lol he stood around and watched on a play where PG13 got a wide open corner 3 you giant flapping baby

CDM_Stats · Post #191 » by **CDM_Stats** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:08 am

cpower wrote:
cpower wrote:wihout wiggins we have a great chance tonight. Him and Klay just do not go well together.

like i said, Curry and Wiggins have issues playing together (-9 in 100 poss), Klay and Wiggins have issues playing together (-9 in 100 poss) and same for Green. Sadly Wiggins is the odd man out here. I wont be surprised if we ship him out, actually Wiggins and JK would make a good package and hopefully land us a star level forward.

correlation still does not = causation

cpower · Post #192 » by **cpower** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:10 am

CDM_Stats wrote:
cpower wrote:
cpower wrote:wihout wiggins we have a great chance tonight. Him and Klay just do not go well together.

like i said, Curry and Wiggins have issues playing together (-9 in 100 poss), Klay and Wiggins have issues playing together (-9 in 100 poss) and same for Green. Sadly Wiggins is the odd man out here. I wont be surprised if we ship him out, actually Wiggins and JK would make a good package and hopefully land us a star level forward.

correlation still does not = causation

but wiggins is the worst player on the team based on all advance stats there available, so that is the truth. As terrible as Klay is, he is still a threat in given night. When the entire team is criticizing wiggs condition you know something is up

Crazy-Canuck · Post #193 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:22 am

cpower wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
cpower wrote:like i said, Curry and Wiggins have issues playing together (-9 in 100 poss), Klay and Wiggins have issues playing together (-9 in 100 poss) and same for Green. Sadly Wiggins is the odd man out here. I wont be surprised if we ship him out, actually Wiggins and JK would make a good package and hopefully land us a star level forward.

correlation still does not = causation

but wiggins is the worst player on the team based on all advance stats there available, so that is the truth. As terrible as Klay is, he is still a threat in given night. When the entire team is criticizing wiggs condition you know something is up

That conditioning leak was fake news to get hits by kendra andrews that was already refuted by slater on 95.7 . Unless of course you believe Kendra has more sources than slater.

CDM_Stats · Post #194 » by **CDM_Stats** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:27 am

cpower wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
cpower wrote:like i said, Curry and Wiggins have issues playing together (-9 in 100 poss), Klay and Wiggins have issues playing together (-9 in 100 poss) and same for Green. Sadly Wiggins is the odd man out here. I wont be surprised if we ship him out, actually Wiggins and JK would make a good package and hopefully land us a star level forward.

correlation still does not = causation

but wiggins is the worst player on the team based on all advance stats there available, so that is the truth. As terrible as Klay is, he is still a threat in given night. When the entire team is criticizing wiggs condition you know something is up

the advanced stats available are free for a reason. POA players are penalized in most metrics, but also, metrics are reflective of results, not cause. They are loosely tied to cause, but are useless without context

Wiggins has not even been the worst player in the starting lineup... he's been a part of the best lineup we've put on the court. He started off the season ice cold shooting, and thats literally been it. Other than missing a game by slamming his hand into a car door which is Jordan Poole level awareness in everyday life

cpower · Post #195 » by **cpower** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:32 am

CDM_Stats wrote:
cpower wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
correlation still does not = causation

but wiggins is the worst player on the team based on all advance stats there available, so that is the truth. As terrible as Klay is, he is still a threat in given night. When the entire team is criticizing wiggs condition you know something is up

the advanced stats available are free for a reason. POA players are penalized in most metrics, but also, metrics are reflective of results, not cause. They are loosely tied to cause, but are useless without context

Wiggins has not even been the worst player in the starting lineup... he's been a part of the best lineup we've put on the court. He started off the season ice cold shooting, and thats literally been it. Other than missing a game by slamming his hand into a car door which is Jordan Poole level awareness in everyday life

again, if a forward cannot make shots nor FTs, turns the ball over more than his assists and could not rebound, how can he be good? His man2man defense does not justify the overall negative impact on the court and his man2man defense has not been good neither..

SpreeS · Post #196 » by **SpreeS** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:33 am

cpower wrote:
cpower wrote:wihout wiggins we have a great chance tonight. Him and Klay just do not go well together.

like i said, Curry and Wiggins have issues playing together (-9 in 100 poss), Klay and Wiggins have issues playing together (-9 in 100 poss) and same for Green. Sadly Wiggins is the odd man out here. I wont be surprised if we ship him out, actually Wiggins and JK would make a good package and hopefully land us a star level forward.

Green and Curry negative today -11 and -4

cpower · Post #197 » by **cpower** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:34 am

SpreeS wrote:
cpower wrote:
cpower wrote:wihout wiggins we have a great chance tonight. Him and Klay just do not go well together.

like i said, Curry and Wiggins have issues playing together (-9 in 100 poss), Klay and Wiggins have issues playing together (-9 in 100 poss) and same for Green. Sadly Wiggins is the odd man out here. I wont be surprised if we ship him out, actually Wiggins and JK would make a good package and hopefully land us a star level forward.

Green and Curry negative today -11 and -4

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/warriors-plus-minus-leader

michaelm · Post #198 » by **michaelm** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:34 am

CDM_Stats wrote:
cpower wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
correlation still does not = causation

but wiggins is the worst player on the team based on all advance stats there available, so that is the truth. As terrible as Klay is, he is still a threat in given night. When the entire team is criticizing wiggs condition you know something is up

the advanced stats available are free for a reason. POA players are penalized in most metrics, but also, metrics are reflective of results, not cause. They are loosely tied to cause, but are useless without context

Wiggins has not even been the worst player in the starting lineup... he's been a part of the best lineup we've put on the court. He started off the season ice cold shooting, and thats literally been it. Other than missing a game by slamming his hand into a car door which is Jordan Poole level awareness in everyday life

They are not getting a player capable of anywhere near Wiggs’ best level for his salary if they trade him. He has no permanent health issue, at this stage he is worth betting on and patience imo, he wasn’t just a one year wonder in the title win, he was fine last season before his various vicissitudes. I gather he has trouble keeping weight on, so he may have to play the whole season at a lower weight than is ideal given that the rib fractures LeBron have him reputedly limited his off season preparation.

CDM_Stats · Post #199 » by **CDM_Stats** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:38 am

cpower wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
cpower wrote:but wiggins is the worst player on the team based on all advance stats there available, so that is the truth. As terrible as Klay is, he is still a threat in given night. When the entire team is criticizing wiggs condition you know something is up

the advanced stats available are free for a reason. POA players are penalized in most metrics, but also, metrics are reflective of results, not cause. They are loosely tied to cause, but are useless without context

Wiggins has not even been the worst player in the starting lineup... he's been a part of the best lineup we've put on the court. He started off the season ice cold shooting, and thats literally been it. Other than missing a game by slamming his hand into a car door which is Jordan Poole level awareness in everyday life

again, if a forward cannot make shots nor FTs, turns the ball over more than his assists and could not rebound, how can he be good? His man defense does not justify the overall negative impact on the court and his man defense has not been good neither..

Wiggins is at 18-5-2 on 49/40/70 the past 2 weeks.. he's playing exclusive at POA defender, where he's actually been excellent, but reduces his ability to generate steals and blocks like in the past. He literally absorbs most of the negative defensive impact on the team, as do most specific POA defenders. And AGAIN he's been part of the best lineup on the team

Your crusade is weird and wrong man. Basing entire opinions off stuff you can read off BBRef is not how to accurately interpret the game, that's trade board stuff

cpower · Post #200 » by **cpower** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:39 am

michaelm wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
cpower wrote:but wiggins is the worst player on the team based on all advance stats there available, so that is the truth. As terrible as Klay is, he is still a threat in given night. When the entire team is criticizing wiggs condition you know something is up

the advanced stats available are free for a reason. POA players are penalized in most metrics, but also, metrics are reflective of results, not cause. They are loosely tied to cause, but are useless without context

Wiggins has not even been the worst player in the starting lineup... he's been a part of the best lineup we've put on the court. He started off the season ice cold shooting, and thats literally been it. Other than missing a game by slamming his hand into a car door which is Jordan Poole level awareness in everyday life

They are not getting a player capable of anywhere near Wiggs’ best level for his salary if they trade him. He has no permanent health issue, at this stage he is worth betting on and patience imo, he wasn’t just a one year wonder n the title win, he was fine last season before his various vicissitudes. I gather he has trouble keeping weight on, so he may have to play the whole season at a lower weight than is ideal given that the rib fractures LeBron have him reputedly limited his off season preparation.

I think you actually nailed it yourself, wiggins has been mostly a year wonder, he was not doing anything in his wolves days (pretty much a net negative player) and played out of his mind 2 years ago and last season missed games. He has 1 good season out of his 10 years career.