Mama Said They Knocked Us Out! IST Loss vs IND 12/4

[BrianFitz]

Its time to sit pritchard and play other guys. He’s struggled all year and he’s giving us zero production. He’s an undersized two guard who can’t hit an outside shot.

It's painful to watch him jack up shots from 30 feet out because that's the only way he can get a shot up.

He's absolutely useless. All his moves are pointless. Everyone watching knows he's gonna dribble a bunch just to not be able to get a shot off, turn around and give it to someone else to make a play.

[BrianFitz]

Some of y'all living with your heads in the sand.

How many years of the Jays do we have to watch until we realize these dudes have zero dog in them? Literally they got called out on Draymonds podcast post finals about how fast they give up. Straight punked, then our star player goes on and takes wedding pictures on Instagram with those same guys that punked him. That's such weak sauce.

No leaders on this team. They got to be totally healthy if they want to win this imo because the Jays don't have it in them to lead a team to a title, they are not captains for a reason. Going to need Jrue to play better and KP/Al/White to keep up with their excellent decision making because that and health is our best shot.

They made it to the Finals 2 years ago, and EC finals last year. Seems like their doing pretty good. You know only 1 team can win a championship each year. Go back and look at the list of how old all time players were when they won their first title. It's not something that just comes easy when a player is young.

[Shak_Celts]

I'm honestly starting to think our entire approach to shot selection is in need of a rethink.

i don't think people give credence to how much it takes out of a player to try and go out and dunk or get inside all game. trying to make it seem easy for tatum to do that every time, then try to shade him when he has to take 3s or fadeaways.

I forget who said it on a podcast I was watching (gil or jj's), but they said lbj (or kobe) gave him the best advice ever, "pace yourself and don't try and get it all early." It seems like it's good advice because when you see JB get off to a hot start he always tails off... it's a running joke for folk. Meanwhile, people are mad at tatum for pacing himself so he can have something left the whole game.

I used to get so happy when lbj would explode early because I knew he wouldn't dominate late. heck, it still works to this day, watch LeBron get early DUNKS and have to defend and then check him in the fourth quarter missing free throws and short arming buckets. if you let him be lazy early, he's going to kill you in the second half. open 3s and little defense is a recipe for lbj to kill you in the second half.

this may not be a good theory but watch for when lbj is really good early... not just good because he's spectacular but the way he is doing it, dunking a lot and doing it all, bet he plays mediocre late.

Playing soft to save for later... Ah, no thanks

If rotations need tweaking for optimum effort, so be it. How'd fast break basketball work back in the day? By taking possessions off? Or subbing as needed? If coach won't play ball, we'll... Bust ass and make him take you out when gassed, even if it effs with his mathematically precise rotations

What? That quote was from Kobe or lbj the player said. I wish i could find it, but are you calling one of them lazy? all those chips means they found the right balance. Making sure you have enough to give without blowing it all in the first quarter. We can say what we want but bodies can only do so much! I didn’t say not to go for what you can, just that it doesn’t have to be all at once, be tactical about it. Tatum mostly gives what the game needs and there is actual proof of that, everything else is talk.

[BrianFitz]

I'm honestly starting to think our entire approach to shot selection is in need of a rethink.

i don't think people give credence to how much it takes out of a player to try and go out and dunk or get inside all game. trying to make it seem easy for tatum to do that every time, then try to shade him when he has to take 3s or fadeaways.

I forget who said it on a podcast I was watching (gil or jj's), but they said lbj (or kobe) gave him the best advice ever, "pace yourself and don't try and get it all early." It seems like it's good advice because when you see JB get off to a hot start he always tails off... it's a running joke for folk. Meanwhile, people are mad at tatum for pacing himself so he can have something left the whole game.

I used to get so happy when lbj would explode early because I knew he wouldn't dominate late. heck, it still works to this day, watch LeBron get early DUNKS and have to defend and then check him in the fourth quarter missing free throws and short arming buckets. if you let him be lazy early, he's going to kill you in the second half. open 3s and little defense is a recipe for lbj to kill you in the second half.

this may not be a good theory but watch for when lbj is really good early... not just good because he's spectacular but the way he is doing it, dunking a lot and doing it all, bet he plays mediocre late.

Playing soft to save for later... Ah, no thanks

If rotations need tweaking for optimum effort, so be it. How'd fast break basketball work back in the day? By taking possessions off? Or subbing as needed? If coach won't play ball, we'll... Bust ass and make him take you out when gassed, even if it effs with his mathematically precise rotations

This is fantasy land. How many guys in the history of the league could go all out on both sides of the ball every minute they were out there? Jordan comes to mind. Not a whole lot more. Magic was maybe the best at "fast break basketball back in the day" and he took half of every possession off on the defensive end. It just doesn't work how you want it to.

[KillahGhostface]

The Celtics not driving as much has cost them what? They’re 15-5, and we know both Tatum and Jaylen drive more in the playoffs than the regular season.

In Tatum’s case, his drives/post up combination is pretty much the same as last season, anyways.

[Jammer]

Counting last night's game, Indiana has a 38.8% 3 point percentage.

Last night Indiana shot 47.5% from 3. On 40 shots, the difference is normally 15.52 makes = 46.56 pts, but last night 19 makes for 57 points. 10.44 pts. above their normal % (they won by 10).

Meanwhile, Celtics average 36.2% from 3, but last night shot 29.3% from 3. On 41 shots, that's 14.84 3's normally but only 12 last night (2.84 less 3's, which is 8.4 less points (while Indiana scored 10 pts. more than their average from 3). So, instead of winning by 8, the Celtics lost by 10, just from 3 point shooting percentages of both teams. Had Porzingis been available, there probably would have been a Plan B. Without him, there wasn't much Joe could have done except try to get Hauser more than 9 shots (he deserved 13 last night). But that would have only been 6 more points probably. With Pritchard off (0-5), there was no bench scoring (Hauser and Kornet combined for an efficient 21 pts., but that was all) and with Holiday and Horford off on a night Porzingis was sitting out, well, that's the way the cookie crumbles. Even if they had another guy who could dependably score on the bench, they'd still have to get him the shots, although maybe Pritch would have passed up some of his 0-5 Long Ones if he had another reliable shooter to pass to who would have operated from 2 point range because the Celtics were shooting sub-30% from 3.

[BK_2020]

You don't understand, if they don't drive every single possession 100 times a game they are lazy and soft.

[Fierce1]

You don't understand, if they don't drive every single possession 100 times a game they are lazy and soft.

[Shak_Celts]

Charles Lee, Cassell, Van Gundy, and still have problems offensively closing games...
Maybe go with a Tatum post-up late in a game like I mentioned how Tatum needed to post up more last season. Seems to happen only during the middle of a game when the offense needs to settle down.

We nearly scored bucket for bucket at the end, the d was the issue not the offense. The pacers were hotter than a rocket flying with gasoline panties on, lathered in grease, with tnt up its butt!

We didn’t have much issue scoring late. Just couldn’t stop them!

[Infinite Llamas]

It’s really sad to think but Haliburton is literally the perfect player to pair with Tatum. Well, Jokic too but he was never on the market lol

[KillahGhostface]

It’s really sad to think but Haliburton is literally the perfect player to pair with Tatum. Well, Jokic too but he was never on the market lol

zoya and djfan71 were mocked here for their Jaylen for Hali/Barnes/picks trade ideas. Others were mocked for wanting to trade him for the pick that turned out to be Luka, and also for Garland/the pick that was Mobley.

Of course, some of those (me) people are freezing in hell because Jaylen proved us wrong and made all nba.

[Infinite Llamas]

It’s really sad to think but Haliburton is literally the perfect player to pair with Tatum. Well, Jokic too but he was never on the market lol

zoya and djfan71 were mocked here for their Jaylen for Hali/Barnes/picks trade ideas. Others were mocked for wanting to trade him for the pick that turned out to be Luka, and also for Garland/the pick that was Mobley.

Of course, some of those (me) people are freezing in hell because Jaylen proved us wrong and made all nba.

I recall a game Hali played against the C’s early in his rookie year and he came off the bench and was flame throwing even with that unorthodox shot. No hesitation for a rookie. Great composure. Knew how to run an offense from the onset. He’s had minimal talent around him for his whole career and that’s why he hasn’t played a playoff game but the tide has turned.

Cavs passing on him to commit to the Garland/Sexton backcourt was appalling. Means they could have kept Lauri and never had to trade for Mitchell. Hali/Garland/Lauri/Allen is an interesting team.

[Fierce1]

Don't know what happens in the future, but if the Jays win a chip then the Jays are perfect for each other.

On the court they don't look like a perfect match, but off the court, they look like 2 puppies of different breeds that grew up together.

[zoyathedestroya]

It’s really sad to think but Haliburton is literally the perfect player to pair with Tatum. Well, Jokic too but he was never on the market lol

zoya and djfan71 were mocked here for their Jaylen for Hali/Barnes/picks trade ideas. Others were mocked for wanting to trade him for the pick that turned out to be Luka, and also for Garland/the pick that was Mobley.

Of course, some of those (me) people are freezing in hell because Jaylen proved us wrong and made all nba.

Tbf, I also hesitantly wanted to trade him for Harden. That could’ve ended up a disaster for us. I can’t recall if I was in the pro-Kawhi-for-a-season camp. Bane/JJ, KD, Dame, the list of fake trades Brad never pulled goes on.

I will continue to die for Genius Brad’s vision even if it involves Jaylen lol.

[KillahGhostface]

Don't know what happens in the future, but if the Jays win a chip then the Jays are perfect for each other.

On the court they don't look like a perfect match, but off the court, they look like 2 puppies of different breeds that grew up together.

[return2glory]

It was 105-105 with about 1:40 left in the game. Pacers went on a 9-0 run before coach Joe calls a time out. No surprise there.
We gave up 17 points in the last 1:40. 17. Got outscored 17-7 during that time. I keep saying Tatum and Brown crumble in closing minutes of close games. No one here wants to admit that. Actually it's the opposite, people are saying Tatum is an MVP candidate. Like come on.

A few of the posters here know that this is a play in team in the East without KP and Jrue. Jrue has had to take such a back sit because Tatum and Brown are ball hogs. Tatum and Brown took 49 of the team's 97 shots. Brown took 23 shots and had 0 assists.
I want to see less of Tatum and Brown shooting and more moving the ball from them. I want to see more shots for KP when he is back and more shots for Jrue.

[return2glory]

Don't know what happens in the future, but if the Jays win a chip then the Jays are perfect for each other.

On the court they don't look like a perfect match, but off the court, they look like 2 puppies of different breeds that grew up together.

If the Celtics win a chip, it will be because of Tatum, Brown, KP, Jrue and White. Tatum and Brown aren't good enough win a chip by themselves.

[Fierce1]

Don't know what happens in the future, but if the Jays win a chip then the Jays are perfect for each other.

On the court they don't look like a perfect match, but off the court, they look like 2 puppies of different breeds that grew up together.

If the Celtics win a chip, it will be because of Tatum, Brown, KP, Jrue and White. Tatum and Brown aren't good enough win a chip by themselves.

Absolutely!

But it's about the fit of JT and JB.

Some said Hali is perfect for JT.

If the Cs win a chip then the JT-JB pairing is good enough.

[Shak_Celts]

Don't know what happens in the future, but if the Jays win a chip then the Jays are perfect for each other.

On the court they don't look like a perfect match, but off the court, they look like 2 puppies of different breeds that grew up together.

If the Celtics win a chip, it will be because of Tatum, Brown, KP, Jrue and White. Tatum and Brown aren't good enough win a chip by themselves.

Absolutely!

But it's about the fit of JT and JB.

Some said Hali is perfect for JT.

If the Cs win a chip then the JT-JB pairing is good enough.

I agree, but he’d be perfect for anyone. That’s why we needed to do more to draft him! He’s both an old school and new school pg, simply wonderful! I hate the kings but not their players.

[Jammer]

Don't know what happens in the future, but if the Jays win a chip then the Jays are perfect for each other.

On the court they don't look like a perfect match, but off the court, they look like 2 puppies of different breeds that grew up together.

If the Celtics win a chip, it will be because of Tatum, Brown, KP, Jrue and White. Tatum and Brown aren't good enough win a chip by themselves.

Need more than that. It's really your Top 8 that carry you.