Fake Trade Thread #5

[JMAC3]

Melo being out is a perfect time to showcase Gordon and Terry.

If we're ever going to trade them, now is the time to do it. Especially Gordon, getting something is better than letting him walk for free.

I'd still be very surprised if we trade either. I don't think we've made any major trades since the Kemba/Rozier deal.

I'd try to keep Miles, regardless of his issues he's way better than anyone we could trade for or sign. But if we aren't, we need to trade him too. Can we offer him a contract mid-season? Trade Gordon and re-sign Miles at 35m per year to fill that salary slot.

If the plan is to keep Miles, then we should trade Hayward 100% for asset management. The Hayward trade doesn't even have to be awesome if that is the plan.

If we aren't sure on Miles, maybe letting both expire and chase in FA is their preferred method with 25 million. Not my favorite option, but I guess I get it if they are wanting to hold onto future picks.

It would make very little sense to trade Hayward for middling money and then let Miles walk, that would probably be the worst move. If I had any faith in the FO, a Hayward trade happening should be a direct signal of our Miles faith moving forward, but I don't really give our FO too much credit.

[Snidely FC]

If the plan is to keep Miles, then we should trade Hayward 100% for asset management. The Hayward trade doesn't even have to be awesome if that is the plan.

When you start looking around the league, with salary matching an awesome trade for Hayward proves challenging.

You previously mentioned trading Hayward for several guys making $25-35M under contract next year. One trade I would float is Hayward's expiring to OKC for Davis Bertans, Kenrich Williams and Vasilije Micic

Bertans is terrible but that's not the point. In addition to Bertan's cap space the Hornets add a veteran backup PG in Micic and Kenrich Williams, nicknamed "Kenny Hustle," who rates with Cody Martin on the hustle and defense side of the ledger.

[JMAC3]

If the plan is to keep Miles, then we should trade Hayward 100% for asset management. The Hayward trade doesn't even have to be awesome if that is the plan.

When you start looking around the league, with salary matching an awesome trade for Hayward proves challenging.

You previously mentioned trading Hayward for several guys making $25-35M under contract next year. One trade I would float is Hayward's expiring to OKC for Davis Bertans, Kenrich Williams and Vasilije Micic

Bertans is terrible but that's not the point. In addition to Bertan's cap space the Hornets add a veteran backup PG in Micic and Kenrich Williams, nicknamed "Kenny Hustle," who rates with Cody Martin on the hustle and defense side of the ledger.

I don't hate it from our side, but it is pretty widely thought OKC will use Bertans contract plus picks for a real upgrade either this year or next. He is really their only bigger contract that is moveable.

[Spates]

Not my favourite pascal trade but how would feel about Pascal for Nick Smith jr, Hayward, two first and two seconds.

[GoBobs]

Not my favourite pascal trade but how would feel about Pascal for Nick Smith jr, Hayward, two first and two seconds.

I feel like that is way to much. Pascal, is expiring, not that good, redundant with what we already have.

I am not interested in trading for a guy shooting 20% from 3 on 4 attempts per game.

And you want 2 firsts and 2 seconds, lmao

[Spates]

Not my favourite pascal trade but how would feel about Pascal for Nick Smith jr, Hayward, two first and two seconds.

I feel like that is way to much. Pascal, is expiring, not that good, redundant with what we already have.

I am not interested in trading for a guy shooting 20% from 3 on 4 attempts per game.

And you want 2 firsts and 2 seconds, lmao

What would make it work? I think he'd be good for your team but maybe not at that cost of picks. Big upgrade for sure. You'd be surprised what he could accomplish playing beside a competent PG like LaMelo. The uncertainty of his return is what really drives the value down for you. If he opted in it'd be great.

[Liver_Pooty]

Pascal on an expiring is a guy you trade for if you think you can make the conference finals or more. It's why teams are interested in Hayward while he's healthy. To be honest with him expiring I'm not interested in giving up anything for him. Going into next offseason with potentially Miles leaving and Pascal leaving after giving up assets would just be stupid.

[luciano-davidwesley]

Yeah no way we'd touch Siakam unless we were very confident in him resigning long term. To the point we'd be losing draft picks for tampering.

[Snidely FC]

Terry Rozier to the Knicks for Quentin Grimes and Evan Fournier

Fournier, 31, is in the trade for cap hold (though he is a 38% career 3 pt shooter)

But Hornets would do this to take a swing at Grimes, 23, who is disenchanted in NY, as with Brunson, Randle and Barrett he rarely touches the ball. Pre-draft, Grimes was likened to Josh Hart

Draft report:

Spoiler:

A strongly built 6’5 210 wing, has the size and adequate length (6’8 wingspan) to match up fine on the perimeter physically … Decent athlete … Operates mostly as a floor spacer offensively, does the majority of his damage from beyond the 3-point line (40% 3FG as a JR, on a healthy 8.3 attempts/game) … Has moments where he can really get rolling and be very dangerous, and isn’t just an in-rhythm spot up threat like he was early in his career … Houston was 29-1 in games that he made multiple 3-point shots during his Jr. season … Has NBA range and is effective coming off screens or running to open spots along the perimeter, making him a nice valve to have in transition or with slashing guards who collapse the defense … Also showed ability to stick some pull-up 3s with range .. Solid pre-shot mechanics, squares his body to the rim and rises into his shot under control and with consistency … Pretty nice perimeter defender overall, gets into his stance and shows the strength and active feet to deny penetration and force tough shots … Was solid on that end in the Big 12, but had huge success smothering smaller, less athletic perimeter players in the AAC…With his frame and active feet, he will be able to comfortably defend SGs and most SF’s at the pro level … Unselfish and plays off the strengths of his teammates well … Also contributes on the glass (5.7 rpg as a Jr.), especially offensive boards, using his strong frame & nice motor to throw his body around and come up with loose balls…Fits nicely as a 3-and-D prospect

Watch on YouTube

[amcoolio]

Yes please, I've always been impressed by Grimes when I watch him play us

[JMAC3]

Solid for us, we save money longterm and replace Terry with a defensive guard.

For the Knicks who have 6 draft picks to trade, not sure tying up money in Terry Rozier to pair with Jalen Brunson is a move that makes much sense for them.

[SWedd523]

Terry Rozier to the Knicks for Quentin Grimes and Evan Fournier

Fournier, 31, is in the trade for cap hold (though he is a 38% career 3 pt shooter)

But Hornets would do this to take a swing at Grimes, 23, who is disenchanted in NY, as with Brunson, Randle and Barrett he rarely touches the ball. Pre-draft, Grimes was likened to Josh Hart

Draft report:

Spoiler:

A strongly built 6’5 210 wing, has the size and adequate length (6’8 wingspan) to match up fine on the perimeter physically … Decent athlete … Operates mostly as a floor spacer offensively, does the majority of his damage from beyond the 3-point line (40% 3FG as a JR, on a healthy 8.3 attempts/game) … Has moments where he can really get rolling and be very dangerous, and isn’t just an in-rhythm spot up threat like he was early in his career … Houston was 29-1 in games that he made multiple 3-point shots during his Jr. season … Has NBA range and is effective coming off screens or running to open spots along the perimeter, making him a nice valve to have in transition or with slashing guards who collapse the defense … Also showed ability to stick some pull-up 3s with range .. Solid pre-shot mechanics, squares his body to the rim and rises into his shot under control and with consistency … Pretty nice perimeter defender overall, gets into his stance and shows the strength and active feet to deny penetration and force tough shots … Was solid on that end in the Big 12, but had huge success smothering smaller, less athletic perimeter players in the AAC…With his frame and active feet, he will be able to comfortably defend SGs and most SF’s at the pro level … Unselfish and plays off the strengths of his teammates well … Also contributes on the glass (5.7 rpg as a Jr.), especially offensive boards, using his strong frame & nice motor to throw his body around and come up with loose balls…Fits nicely as a 3-and-D prospect

Watch on YouTube

I'm not necessarily opposed, but I don't know the logic for the Knicks there.

Brunson, Barret, Quickly, DiVicenzo, Hart, give them a pretty full guard rotation. How much of an upgrade to they view Terry over a guy like Quickly?

I think they'd be more willing to go after one of the Bulls guys

[JMAC3]

knicks are going to go after Mitchell, Zion, etc..

[Bassman]

knicks are going to go after Mitchell, Zion, etc..

Zion getting hammered and fat shamed for being so out of shape following the Laker’s crushing last night. He “doesn’t listen” to the team’s pleas to get in shape.

[JMAC3]

knicks are going to go after Mitchell, Zion, etc..

Zion getting hammered and fat shamed for being so out of shape following the Laker’s crushing last night. He “doesn’t listen” to the team’s pleas to get in shape.

Almost as if he wants to be in NYC...

[Diop]

Almost as if basketball isn’t his priority

[JMAC3]

A team to keep in mind for a Hayward location is Memphis. They are projected to be a lux tax team next year so they might want to dump a contract and also they have struggled to find consistent play at the 3 spot.

Kennard could make sense as a guy we get back as bench scorer for us moving forward.

[Liver_Pooty]

Are people done wanting to trade Rozier for a package of steak fries or are we still on that

[SWedd523]

Are people done wanting to trade Rozier for a package of steak fries or are we still on that

Nope and yep

[LofJ]

The Wizards have two players I'd love to add to this team - Avdija and Wright. They're both high IQ, team players that play winning basketball.

So maybe a trade with San Antonio where we send them Hayward so they can dump Graham and McDermott and send our pick to Washington where we get Avdija, Wright, and Graham back could work. We could also add more value if needed.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7891856

We'd have really good depth after this trade.

LaMelo/Graham
Rozier/Wright
Miller/Avdija
Bridges/Washington
Williams/Richards