NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

MavsDirk41 · Post #221 » by **MavsDirk41** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:30 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:

Read on Twitter
?t=riAOzRWzpsIJB-WNbdpA6Q&s=19

A very good player. Do you see him play live?

Very good player lol? The guy is a bonafide superstar/generational talent.

eyeatoma · Post #222 » by **eyeatoma** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:32 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Kurtz wrote:
Which one do you think is worse for a basketball player?

I know what you're trying to say, but if you can barely see with a mask on, and have a concussion (Embiid did when he played Miami) I'd say that's just as bad or worse.

Which do you think is more necessary as a human being? Your wrist being hurt, or your face on fire from a broken orbital bone?

It depends mate, and it also depends on pain tolerance. Some players can ride the pain better than others (eg masked Jaylen Brown), Embiid unfortunately is not that guy.

Let’s see how it all plays out now that the sixers have a better coach. Doc was a mess, and Brett Brown was one dimensional and became so predictable during a 7-game series.

I'd beg to differ. He plays through a lot. Dude got smacked in the face with the ball after he broke his face and still played after that.

His effectiveness is hindered but for those type of injuries I'd say most players would have similar issues.

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LordCovington33 · Post #223 » by **LordCovington33** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:37 am

Mavrelous wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:

Read on Twitter
?t=riAOzRWzpsIJB-WNbdpA6Q&s=19

A very good player. Do you see him play live?

I don't live in the US (or Europe when he was there), all on TV...

I am based in Asia and had the good fortune of flying to Manila to watch him play twice, including against SGA. Has a beautiful game, though SGA was a shade better that particular night. The level of fandom in Manila for him was off the charts. 80% of the crowd were wearing his Mavs jersey haha

Post #224 » by **Mavrelous** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:40 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:A very good player. Do you see him play live?

I don't live in the US (or Europe when he was there), all on TV...

I am based in Asia and had the good fortune of flying to Manila to watch him play twice, including against SGA. Has a beautiful game, though SGA was a shade better that particular night. The level of fandom in Manila for him was off the charts. 80% of the crowd were wearing his Mavs jersey haha

Wasn't his best game, but Canada had multiple defenders (Brooks, Dort, NAW) and threw everything at him, Slovenia had no one else.

Jaqua92 · Post #225 » by **Jaqua92** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:41 am

I feel like this thread, for years, is the same two people trying to convince themselves that Embiid is as good as Jokic, or the MVP favorite.

Joel isn't winning another MVP after last season. This early season discourse is meaningless, and the award is still Jokic's to lose.

Special_Puppy · Post #226 » by **Special_Puppy** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:46 am

I still think Jokic will win it in the end, but Embiid is playing the best basketball of his life

rzzzzz · Post #227 » by **rzzzzz** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:48 am

Jaqua92 wrote:Joel isn't winning another MVP after last season. This early season discourse is meaningless, and the award is still Jokic's to lose.

He only needed the one. Now he’s got to figure out how to get into the 2nd round of the playoffs without getting injured.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #228 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:53 am

Hussien Fatal wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Hussien Fatal wrote:Jokic ejected tonight early, definitely no gonna help his numbers nor mvp case.

Jokic's plus 97 and CRAPTOR going to take a huge hit unfortunately. I will say, that was a ridiculous call. Silver needs to let an independent body investigate these clowns.

I agree that was a soft ejection, but it sorta seems like Jokic is just having a rough stretch currently. He needs to find a way to get out of it soon if he’s gonna win mvp. Embiid has to be the favorite at the moment he has a 79% win percentage at 15-4 and not to mention he’s putting up ATG numbers.

It's December....... And he is currently the favorite? :-?

He will be fine.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #229 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:02 am

eyeatoma wrote:

Read on Twitter
Click this whole tweet to see the players he compares to in history.

Explain this graph to me like I'm a child. Does the scoring system go up with the number of attempts he takes? Points * 1.2 FG Attempt? I'm totally lost trying to figure out the order of operations here......

LordCovington33 · Post #230 » by **LordCovington33** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:03 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Hussien Fatal wrote:Jokic ejected tonight early, definitely no gonna help his numbers nor mvp case.

Jokic's plus 97 and CRAPTOR going to take a huge hit unfortunately. I will say, that was a ridiculous call. Silver needs to let an independent body investigate these clowns.

If Jokic called the ref a MFer, which is what he apparently said, then that’s an ejection. You can’t say that. If he just explained his case with f-bombs, then it should be just one tech and then move on.

Hussien Fatal · Post #231 » by **Hussien Fatal** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:05 am

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
Hussien Fatal wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:

Jokic's plus 97 and CRAPTOR going to take a huge hit unfortunately. I will say, that was a ridiculous call. Silver needs to let an independent body investigate these clowns.

I agree that was a soft ejection, but it sorta seems like Jokic is just having a rough stretch currently. He needs to find a way to get out of it soon if he’s gonna win mvp. Embiid has to be the favorite at the moment he has a 79% win percentage at 15-4 and not to mention he’s putting up ATG numbers.

It's December....... And he is currently the favorite? He will be fine.

How is he the favorite, don’t tell me because of the Vegas odds those odds can change so drastically. The writers from ESPN and NBA.com all have Embiid as the favorite currently and most likely his peers agree as well. Not to mention Jokic’s team doesn’t even have a better record than Embiids. Also Embiid has been playing better than Jokic for a couple weeks now.

Cubbies2120 · Post #232 » by **Cubbies2120** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:07 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Hussien Fatal wrote:Jokic ejected tonight early, definitely no gonna help his numbers nor mvp case.

Jokic's plus 97 and CRAPTOR going to take a huge hit unfortunately. I will say, that was a ridiculous call. Silver needs to let an independent body investigate these clowns.

If Jokic called the ref a MFer, which is what he apparently said, then that’s an ejection. You can’t say that. If he just explained his case with f-bombs, then it should be just one tech and then move on.

You seem focused on giving Jokic a technical rather than suspending or firing a ref who missed the brutally blatant foul. Why is that? :lol:

Wooderson · Post #233 » by **Wooderson** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:07 am

Hussien Fatal wrote:
He’s missed only 3 games and you say it like hes missed way more games than those guys. And you also fail to mention Embiid has participated in every single Sixers win (15) this season while his team is 0-3 without him.

Embiid has been incredible, but the 0-3 thing isn't an indictment on his supporting cast. Embiid missed 3 of their hardest matchups so far, all on the road (Minnesota/NOLA/Boston with the first being a B2B).

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #234 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:13 am

Hussien Fatal wrote:
How is he the favorite, don’t tell me because of the Vegas odds those odds can change so drastically. The writers from ESPN and NBA.com all have Embiid as the favorite currently and most likely his peers agree as well. Not to mention Jokic’s team doesn’t even have a better record than Embiids. Also Embiid has been playing better than Jokic for a couple weeks now.

Sorry I was off a week. NBA.com had Jokic last week, all the guys on ringer had Jokic for their Quarterly awards today. So cool, Embiid has been a superior player for 3 weeks in November/December. Jokic could play like this for another month and still be in the race. Go back the last couple years and see the Top5 rankings in December and you will see a lot of random KD, JButlers, etc who had a hot month or two but couldn't sustain it either through play or health. Same with Embiid in prior years before last year. All I'm saying is it is a long season and make definitive statements like "He needs to find a way to get out of it soon if he’s gonna win mvp" in December is asinine

Mrakar · Post #235 » by **Mrakar** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:14 am

The Nuggets should collectively get a tech or get all thrown out next time that happens. There wasn't superstar in history with such a bad whistle, and it being in this era where a lot of players are getting soft calls makes it even worse. Nuggets need to somehow make a scene and let the world know. Couple of Jokic ejections are not changing it.

LordCovington33 · Post #236 » by **LordCovington33** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:15 am

Cubbies2120 wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:

Jokic's plus 97 and CRAPTOR going to take a huge hit unfortunately. I will say, that was a ridiculous call. Silver needs to let an independent body investigate these clowns.

If Jokic called the ref a MFer, which is what he apparently said, then that’s an ejection. You can’t say that. If he just explained his case with f-bombs, then it should be just one tech and then move on.

You seem focused on giving Jokic a technical rather than suspending or firing a ref who missed the brutally blatant foul. Why is that?

A ref will not get suspended or fired for missing a call. lol
“Come on man, that’s an F-ing foul. F-ing call it next time.” (Tech)
“Call it MFer.” (that is going way beyond what’s acceptable and must be ejected)

Cubbies2120 · Post #237 » by **Cubbies2120** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:16 am

Mrakar wrote:The Nuggets should collectively get a tech or get all thrown out next time that happens. There wasn't superstar in history with such a bad whistle, and it being in this era where a lot of players are getting soft calls makes it even worse. Nuggets need to somehow make a scene and let the world know. Couple of Jokic ejections are not changing it.

Imagine having a guy who is literally breaking basketball with his dominance and instructing referees to treat him like a 12th man. Unbelievable!

Hussien Fatal · Post #238 » by **Hussien Fatal** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:26 am

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
Hussien Fatal wrote:
How is he the favorite, don’t tell me because of the Vegas odds those odds can change so drastically. The writers from ESPN and NBA.com all have Embiid as the favorite currently and most likely his peers agree as well. Not to mention Jokic’s team doesn’t even have a better record than Embiids. Also Embiid has been playing better than Jokic for a couple weeks now.

Sorry I was off a week. NBA.com had Jokic last week, all the guys on ringer had Jokic for their Quarterly awards today. So cool, Embiid has been a superior player for 3 weeks in November/December. Jokic could play like this for another month and still be in the race. Go back the last couple years and see the Top5 rankings in December and you will see a lot of random KD, JButlers, etc who had a hot month or two but couldn't sustain it either through play or health. Same with Embiid in prior years before last year. All I'm saying is it is a long season and make definitive statements like "He needs to find a way to get out of it soon if he’s gonna win mvp" in December is asinine

Your not understanding how good some of these players have been playing, a bad two week span in December could put a Candidate at quite the disadvantage. The way Embiid is currently playing the player that’s gonna win needs to be as consistent as him if they want to win mvp this season. And not even just Embiid, same goes for luka and SGA these guys are playing so good you need to be on your A game for a large majority of the season if your gonna win MVP this season.

eyeatoma · Post #239 » by **eyeatoma** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:27 am

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
Hussien Fatal wrote:
How is he the favorite, don’t tell me because of the Vegas odds those odds can change so drastically. The writers from ESPN and NBA.com all have Embiid as the favorite currently and most likely his peers agree as well. Not to mention Jokic’s team doesn’t even have a better record than Embiids. Also Embiid has been playing better than Jokic for a couple weeks now.

Sorry I was off a week. NBA.com had Jokic last week, all the guys on ringer had Jokic for their Quarterly awards today. So cool, Embiid has been a superior player for 3 weeks in November/December. Jokic could play like this for another month and still be in the race. Go back the last couple years and see the Top5 rankings in December and you will see a lot of random KD, JButlers, etc who had a hot month or two but couldn't sustain it either through play or health. Same with Embiid in prior years before last year. All I'm saying is it is a long season and make definitive statements like "He needs to find a way to get out of it soon if he’s gonna win mvp" in December is asinine

The ringer is full of a bunch of Celtics nut hugging Bill Simmons quacks.

To answer your other question I'm not sure what the formula is for that graph. Maybe someone better in math can explain.

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AleksandarN · Post #240 » by **AleksandarN** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:01 am

Special_Puppy wrote:I still think Jokic will win it in the end, but Embiid is playing the best basketball of his life

I agree Embiid has been playing his best ball along with Maxy who should be an allstar and should get consideration for all nba team. It is about time they get a good coach. Nurse has done wonders for that team. Btw the Bucks are stupid not hiring Nurse. wtf were they thinking choosing Griffin over Nurse

Who is leading the race for MVP? (players listed in alphabetical order)