BREAKING: NBA Has Suspended Draymond Green Indefinitely

[DC_Melo]

I hope the warriors go on a run without him.

Blazer fans disagree lol

[Sixers in 4]

He needs to just come out and apologize. Just say yes I lost my cool and I'm sorry. I think that's what the league wanted him to do before handing him the punishment and I think that's right. He needs to show remorse or otherwise next time he's gonna clothesline someone or whatever.

yeah i think they want to him to humble himself and "earn" his way back. i actually don't know that draymond will do it. he certainly hasn't shown that in the past, but then again he hasn't been challenged in the past. will be interesting.

All this focus is on Dray. It's not about whether he is sorry. Or if he apologizes. Or if he gets help. It's about the other players on the court at this point and making sure they feel comfortable playing basketball with him.

The focus should be on them, not dray. If the other players in the NBA feel he is sincere and want him on the court then the NBA should let him back in after counseling or whatever hoops they want him to go through. If other NBA players don't ever want to play with him again then make the suspension permanent.

Draymond forfeited the right to self-determination long ago. His career should be in the hands of his peers.

[DC_Melo]

This kinda feels like a copout to me. Rather than just settling on a clear, lengthy, and highly warranted suspension period, they've essentially designed a form of discipline that allows Draymond to control his own fate by fulfilling some undefined set of conditions. It leaves room for the possibility that if he shows he's undergoing some form of counseling or therapy he can return within a few weeks. I think it would have been better for them to go all in and suspend him for 25 games so there's a clear understanding of what the consequences are.

If the goal is to rehabilitate him, what’s wrong with saying he can come back once he’s rehabilitated? Isn’t that better than some arbitrary number of games?

Exactly this. A defined number of game won’t change Draymond. He needs professional help.

This is the opposite of a cop out. It is directly telling Draymond and the Warriors that onus is on them to prove he can return to the league without being a safety hazard to everyone else.

Silver is essentially telling him he needs to get counseling/rehab while sidestepping the pushback Draymond’s agent, Warriors FO or the players union would give if he directly said he needed counseling/rehab. It’s a clever move that delivers a heavy message Draymond, the FO, and union can’t refute.

[Tomtolbert]

The thing with Dray is that he’s built this flailing and extra motions into his muscle memory now.

I legit don’t think this one was intentional he was just flailing around and happened to catch Nurk. Not that makes it excusable.

I think this is an overly generous interpretation of Draymond's actions. He's been in a similar position relative to the defender tens of thousands of times before, and knew exactly where Nurk was, even if he wasn't looking directly at him. Sure, it's possible part of it was flailing, but that doesn't mean that in the moment he didn't want to send a bit of pain Nurk's way. Even if he didn't intend to knock him out.

This is quite different than when he choked out Gobert.

Agree that, in isolation, the Gobert incident was clearly worse.

[jbsays]

Was Ben Simmons out the entire year for mental health or back injury? If Draymond has mental health issues he needs to get himself right. He's punched atleast two other players I can remember in last couple of years, including a teammate.

[Myth]

This kinda feels like a copout to me. Rather than just settling on a clear, lengthy, and highly warranted suspension period, they've essentially designed a form of discipline that allows Draymond to control his own fate by fulfilling some undefined set of conditions. It leaves room for the possibility that if he shows he's undergoing some form of counseling or therapy he can return within a few weeks. I think it would have been better for them to go all in and suspend him for 25 games so there's a clear understanding of what the consequences are.

If the goal is to rehabilitate him, what’s wrong with saying he can come back once he’s rehabilitated? Isn’t that better than some arbitrary number of games?

Exactly this. A defined number of game won’t change Draymond. He needs professional help.

This is the opposite of a cop out. It is directly telling Draymond and the Warriors that onus is on them to prove he can return to the league without being a safety hazard to everyone else.

Silver is essentially telling him he needs to get counseling/rehab while sidestepping the pushback Draymond’s agent, Warriors FO or the players union would give if he directly said he needed counseling/rehab. It’s a clever move that delivers a heavy message Draymond, the FO, and union can’t refute.

Yep. I think a big part of all this was after previous suspensions Draymond has directly said he doesn't plan to change and will continue to do what he does. He was treating these punishments not as a point the NBA was making that he needs to stop doing these things, rather he was treating them as an on court punishment like a foul that is punished the same each time but ultimately not a big deal. He acted like "A hit is 1 game punishment and sometimes it is worth it" rather than "The suspensions were lessons indicating I shouldn't do that."

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Indefinite? Not long enough

SOFFFFF!!!!!!!!111



The nba has officially come down with the duration of Zion's suspension in this matter. The leagues arbiters over misconduct have concluded due to the flailing and possibly accidental nature of his violent actions he will be suspended for 82/0 (aka undefined) games. Zion has a team of mathematicians and lawyers set to appeal. Whatever, I tried, and I wish you all a good day.

[Laimbeer]

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So you meet with a player's agent when deciding his punishment? It seems to me they're trying to somewhat absolve him by pushing the notion he has an emotional issue he can't control. The way they are framing it is favorable to Draymond, imo.

He isn't losing control, he thinks he's going to get away with dirty shots by pretending they were natural movements. But he's so damn ham-handed about it.

[Crunch 99]

Is Green's podcast a live show? If so, at the very least he should change it to a pre-recorded show with full editorial control by Green and his lawyer. Stopping the podcast altogether for awhile might help his image too.

[JayMKE]

What "challenges" is Dray facing? They always gotta dress **** up like some mental health self help come on, rehabilitated lol come on man. Draymond can only come back if he's medicated lookin ass

[links135]

What "challenges" is Dray facing? They always gotta dress **** up like some mental health self help come on, rehabilitated lol come on man. Draymond can only come back if he's medicated lookin ass

Everyone's faces are nails and his hands are hammers

[shrink]

Wish I could assault someone at work and get counseling instead of being fired

… Just consider yourself lucky, “Bill from Accounting.”

[shrink]

He better not show up on his podcast talking nonsense. On your best behavior from now on. People are done with your crap.

Idk. Feels like we say this every week

Right. There is a segment of people out there (and on the board), that want him to be a tough guy, say the NBA is too soft, and want other players to fight him.

That may be who he’s trying to appeal to when he acts the role of “crazy tough guy that takes no ..!” in the media after he retires.

[NZB2323]

This kinda feels like a copout to me. Rather than just settling on a clear, lengthy, and highly warranted suspension period, they've essentially designed a form of discipline that allows Draymond to control his own fate by fulfilling some undefined set of conditions. It leaves room for the possibility that if he shows he's undergoing some form of counseling or therapy he can return within a few weeks. I think it would have been better for them to go all in and suspend him for 25 games so there's a clear understanding of what the consequences are.

If the goal is to rehabilitate him, what’s wrong with saying he can come back once he’s rehabilitated? Isn’t that better than some arbitrary number of games?

Could have just said it was X number of games + completion which may or may not take those games. But it gives some idea of a min here. Lets be real, he'll have to do some charity work and talk to someone about his anger issues? Odds are they know exactly how long that should take.

This way Silver can play it by ear. If Draymond does some anger management and says, “I’m not going to change who I am,” and doesn’t seem remorseful, Silver can say that he’s not ready to come back.

Draymond Green has to complete anger management and then meet with Silver and convince him that he’s changed. It’s like someone in jail who is up for parole who has to convince the judge that they’ve changed and can be a productive member of society.

[ForeverTFC]

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So you meet with a player's agent when deciding his punishment? It seems to me they're trying to somewhat absolve him by pushing the notion he has an emotional issue he can't control. The way they are framing it is favorable to Draymond, imo.

He isn't losing control, he thinks he's going to get away with dirty shots by pretending they were natural movements. But he's so damn ham-handed about it.

The CBA allows them to suspend him but he also has the right to file a grievance through the NBPA if he feels the punishment is unjust. If Silver just came out, suspended him indefinitely and provided all the conditions for his return, Draymond would jus take them to arbitration. They're involving him and his representatives so that they can come to a "consensus" with Draymond on the path forward to get around this and not have to go through arbitration with him - where he likely wins tbh.

I think folks too easily forget that we're dealing with labor issues and millions of dollars here. You can't just put him on timeout to teach him a lesson. This is the real world with laws and regulations.

[Statlanta]

Ι don't understand.
You have the old guys in the media glorifying how tough the old NBA was
You got the fans extremely excited every time the smallest "fight" errupts, even though it's usually nothing but words
But then as soon as anyone actually does anything with their hands it's suspensions immediately.

I mean I don't mind either way, for me basketball always meant some low level violence, nothing serious, maybe a couple of bruises.

So take your pick people, what kind of hoops do you actually want? Squeaky clean or a little bit dirty? The commissar will oblige.

If the NBA allowed Nurkic to throw hands and retaliate instead of just take the beating and flop I would be ok but that's not the NBA we have so meh.

[Wolfgang630]

This is such a cop out. He could be right back in a couple of weeks for all we know.

[shrink]

I’ve seen a couple people suggest that one condition of Draymond’s return should be a public apology. I think that would be tough for Green to do, particularly since he’s so proud of himself for being unapologetic. I think though he could grit his teeth and get through this one, particularly to Nurkic.

However, what if the NBA asked him to publicly apologize for EACH of his actions that led to suspensions over the years? They could claim that they want him to see that this is a pattern of behavior from him that must stop. If they want him out of the league, this may be a way to do it without getting blood on their hands, and hatred from Warriors fans. It would be Draymond’s decision whether to do it, and I don’t think he would. An individual apology to Gobert, to Poole, to LeBron, to Steven Adams, and on and on? He likes his image more than he likes being a good teammate.

[the sea duck]

He needs to just come out and apologize. Just say yes I lost my cool and I'm sorry. I think that's what the league wanted him to do before handing him the punishment and I think that's right. He needs to show remorse or otherwise next time he's gonna clothesline someone or whatever.

yeah i think they want to him to humble himself and "earn" his way back. i actually don't know that draymond will do it. he certainly hasn't shown that in the past, but then again he hasn't been challenged in the past. will be interesting.

All this focus is on Dray. It's not about whether he is sorry. Or if he apologizes. Or if he gets help. It's about the other players on the court at this point and making sure they feel comfortable playing basketball with him.

The focus should be on them, not dray. If the other players in the NBA feel he is sincere and want him on the court then the NBA should let him back in after counseling or whatever hoops they want him to go through. If other NBA players don't ever want to play with him again then make the suspension permanent.

Draymond forfeited the right to self-determination long ago. His career should be in the hands of his peers.

ultimately, his career is in the hands of those who pay him. if his peers have any influence, it's via the union, which i'm not sure is happening.

[Wolfgang630]

I’ve seen a couple people suggest that one condition of Draymond’s return should be a public apology. I think that would be tough for Green to do, particularly since he’s so proud of himself for being unapologetic. I think though he could grit his teeth and get through this one, particularly to Nurkic.

However, what if the NBA asked him to publicly apologize for EACH of his actions that led to suspensions over the years? They could claim that they want him to see that this is a pattern of behavior from him that must stop. If they want him out of the league, this may be a way to do it without getting blood on their hands, and hatred from Warriors fans. It would be Draymond’s decision whether to do it, and I don’t think he would. He likes his image more than he likes being a good teammate.

Yeah it should be an overall apology for how he’s acting. Not just nurkic, but overall his actions in the nba