What Happened To Star-J Barrett?

Reign23 · Post #101 » by **Reign23** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:29 pm

iLLmatic860 wrote:
Reign23 wrote:yeah no new troll thread today I guess.

Brunson just dropped a 50 piece

Get this man some help

Trade RJ for Spida!!

don't write it here. create a thread for this!!

Post #102 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:24 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:I’m still with you RJ! Horrible game…but he will bounce back.

Good call.

Read on Twitter
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All the nastiest, most insufferable curses came united in this thread so it was guaranteed RJ would bounce back

KNICKFAN374 · Post #103 » by **KNICKFAN374** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:20 pm

It's truly hard to believe how personal some are taking this; isn't everyone allowed to have an opinion? Of course we want to be wrong & hope RJ turns into a perennial all star. He could play great the next 2 weeks & average 25ppg, and I would still want to trade him at the end of that stretch; not because I don't like him, but because he hasn't proven he can do it for long enough stretches. His career has shown that he is an inefficient ISO scorer, I'm very doubtful that will change, but believe me I would love to be wrong.

Post #104 » by **DOT** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:31 pm

KNICKFAN374 wrote:Of course we want to be wrong & hope RJ turns into a perennial all star

No you don't lol

nyk2017 · Post #105 » by **nyk2017** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:48 pm

We should build around a backcourt of Brunson and Quickley. Trade RJ, Grimes and maybe Randle

iLLmatic860 · Post #106 » by **iLLmatic860** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:47 pm

Reign23 wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:
Reign23 wrote:yeah no new troll thread today I guess.

Brunson just dropped a 50 piece

Get this man some help

Trade RJ for Spida!!

don't write it here. create a thread for this!!

I tried but the fake news mods cancelled me!

cgmw · Post #107 » by **cgmw** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 8:20 pm

Buttah304 wrote:
Guano wrote:
cgmw wrote:IDK what planet I’m living on, but my reality is pretty 100% clear that it does in fact matter a great deal whether a player is featured as a starter or whether he’s staggered off the bench.

Anyway, I won’t trigger another 10,000 paragraph rant on nature vs. nurture, but suffice it to say I personally think that RJ’s development has been forever stunted by playing alongside another ball-dominant lefty occupying identical airspace.

Rj's lack of development isn't Randle or Thibs fault. He has been given every opportunity to flourish here. He gets a ton of playing time and a lot of touches for the lack of production.
This is what is annoying as hell. It's always someone else's fault, the fans, some ailment, or the new one I heard after playing in SLC - the altitude.

The list of excuses flying in on the daily

Yeah yeah. Easiest thing in the world is to be an internet critic. Nobody's making a single excuse for RJ. What I'm actually saying is the same thing I've been saying since the July 1st acquisition of Julius Randle a month after RJ was drafted -- the Knicks wishy-washy can't-pick-a-direction bullsh*t is bad for RJ's development and has been from the jump. That's not an excuse for RJ, that's me being an internet critic of the Knick organization who chose (and continues to choose) centering their team around veteran acquisitions instead of top-end draft talent. The Knicks should have traded the #3 pick on draft day or the minute they knew they'd sign Randle. Instead you get this mishmash lineup and a talented kid brought up in dysfunction.

Am I saying he would have been an All Star in another system? No. I don't have a crystal ball. Maybe he would have been exactly the same player regardless of external circumstances. I find that unlikely, but who the hell knows. All I know for sure is that RJ and Julius fit together about as well as Carmelo and Amar'e.

If you're looking for an answer to the riddle of why RJ's production falls off, look no further than the stints when Randle transforms from Waandle to All-NBA Randle. Not-so-bold prediction: We will see a clip later this season of Randle sucking that just so happens to coincide with RJ looking like Star-J again.

Kampuchea · Post #108 » by **Kampuchea** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 10:25 pm

I really hope RJ turns it around and has a great season, mainly because I want to trade him before he regresses to normal for next season. RJ out Spida in is a significant upgrade, even if IQ is thrown in.

Post #109 » by **dakomish23** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:39 am

Read on Twitter

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shmeakone · Post #110 » by **shmeakone** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:08 am

When we were in the mix for Mitchell 2 summers ago I was hesitant including RJ. Now? No hesitation. I'd offer 2/3 of RJ/Quickley/Grimes.

KOA · Post #111 » by **KOA** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:26 am

Wow... I really thought these Spida talks were a joke, but you guys are actually serious.
Do you really think Brunson/Spida/Randle/Mitch significantly better than Garland/Spida/Mobely/Allen?

The Knicks have given up an average of 130 points over the last 5 games and you think Spida is going to solve for that?
Spida's shooting percentages are back to his career average after going gangbusters last year. The result? A 9th place Cavaliers team.

C'mon guys, be better...

KNICKS007 · Post #112 » by **KNICKS007** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:17 pm

cgmw wrote:
Buttah304 wrote:
Guano wrote:
Rj's lack of development isn't Randle or Thibs fault. He has been given every opportunity to flourish here. He gets a ton of playing time and a lot of touches for the lack of production.
This is what is annoying as hell. It's always someone else's fault, the fans, some ailment, or the new one I heard after playing in SLC - the altitude.

The list of excuses flying in on the daily

Yeah yeah. Easiest thing in the world is to be an internet critic. Nobody's making a single excuse for RJ. What I'm actually saying is the same thing I've been saying since the July 1st acquisition of Julius Randle a month after RJ was drafted -- the Knicks wishy-washy can't-pick-a-direction bullsh*t is bad for RJ's development and has been from the jump. That's not an excuse for RJ, that's me being an internet critic of the Knick organization who chose (and continues to choose) centering their team around veteran acquisitions instead of top-end draft talent. The Knicks should have traded the #3 pick on draft day or the minute they knew they'd sign Randle. Instead you get this mishmash lineup and a talented kid brought up in dysfunction.

Am I saying he would have been an All Star in another system? No. I don't have a crystal ball. Maybe he would have been exactly the same player regardless of external circumstances. I find that unlikely, but who the hell knows. All I know for sure is that RJ and Julius fit together about as well as Carmelo and Amar'e.

If you're looking for an answer to the riddle of why RJ's production falls off, look no further than the stints when Randle transforms from Waandle to All-NBA Randle. Not-so-bold prediction: We will see a clip later this season of Randle sucking that just so happens to coincide with RJ looking like Star-J again.

RJ plays half the game without Randle on the court since he subs out for Randle at the end of qtrs . In those minutes he is the same player he is with Randle.....

He is the same damn player on a Canadian team voided of Brunson and Randle.

A few good games followed by weeks of bad games mixed in with a few solid games, that has been his entire career since high school...

I will add that him and Randle don't compliment each other, and they rarely pass the ball to each other.

Riot Randolph · Post #113 » by **Riot Randolph** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:22 pm

nyk2017 wrote:We should build around a backcourt of Brunson and Quickley. Trade RJ, Grimes and maybe Randle

Rj is clutch quickly is the opposite

Ursusamericanus · Post #114 » by **Ursusamericanus** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:43 am

It's tough because I like the kid. And I feel like if he blossomed into a bonafide star wing (not asking for a 30/8/7 LeBron, but maybe a 25/6/4 Pierce), we'd be legitimate contenders. But I think he's more of a 2nd option on a contending team, and right now we have three 2nd options running the show (Brunson is an excellent closer, not denying it of course). I know he's young, but he hasn't shown signs of becoming an efficient 25-30 ppg scorer with the superstar upside of Ant, SGA, Tatum etc.

Not sure if I'm making sense, just my thoughts right now and it's late. I know he's young, maybe I'm being too pessimistic.

rajajackal · Post #115 » by **rajajackal** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 3:26 pm

BigShot Barrett wrote:
nyk2017 wrote:We should build around a backcourt of Brunson and Quickley. Trade RJ, Grimes and maybe Randle
Rj is clutch quickly is the opposite

quickley is not the opposite of clutch. timely hoops is kinda his whole thing

HopelessKnick · Post #116 » by **HopelessKnick** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:18 pm

One still very positive takeaway so far for RJ. He seems to have mastered or at least vastly improved his FT shooting which is still big and improves his TS. He made a big 10-12% jump and is still at 85% for the season (88-103).

I'm still hopeful that in some way his 3-point shooting will follow. For players improving there FT shooting like that, usually the outside shot starts to follow at some point.

Fury · Post #117 » by **Fury** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:23 pm

dakomish23 wrote:

Read on Twitter
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Don't let them forget. Team Villain is like the Jan 6 Insurrectionists. They try to re-write history and act like it never happened.

Or blame Antifa

Riot Randolph · Post #118 » by **Riot Randolph** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 11:39 pm

rajajackal wrote:
BigShot Barrett wrote:
nyk2017 wrote:We should build around a backcourt of Brunson and Quickley. Trade RJ, Grimes and maybe Randle
Rj is clutch quickly is the opposite

quickley is not the opposite of clutch. timely hoops is kinda his whole thing

What were his playoff numbers ?

rajajackal · Post #119 » by **rajajackal** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 2:29 pm

BigShot Barrett wrote:
rajajackal wrote:
BigShot Barrett wrote: Rj is clutch quickly is the opposite

quickley is not the opposite of clutch. timely hoops is kinda his whole thing

What were his playoff numbers ?

in his 3rd year? he'll do better. but to say he is "opposite of clutch" when he helps his team win with timely shots all season is b.s.

JCS · Post #120 » by **JCS** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:36 pm

Disclaimer: I'm a big, big RJ fan.

I absolutely love the FT% improvement. He's getting to the point where he's legit a top 50 guy in FT%, it's incredible, I never had hopes for this, 78% would have been enough for my enjoyment.

BUT: this is not translating to jump shots. He's one of the very worst high-volume jump shooters in the league. In fact, one can argue he's the worst in the league in pull-up jumpers. As long as he doesn't improve this to league average-ish, he won't reach the next level. This should be his #1, #2, and #3 focus in the next offseason.