Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 12 is my favorite thread. Out of a dozen...

[cl2117]

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I would be fine sticking him on a two-way but realistically his defensive limitations mean he'd never be the right fit for our team. Basketball-Reference lists one of his nicknames as Gen Z-Bo, but I prefer "Snack Randolph".

[165bows]

What about Plumlee? He's coming from injury soon but Theis might've Wally Pipp'd him. He's a $5mil expiring too so he fits the Grant TPE

I'm pretty sure the Clippers didn't get Theis to replace Plumlee. They got Theis so they could have 2 serviceable centers on the roster. If they traded Plumlee, they'd only have 1, and they'd be right back in the same position they were in before they signed Theis..

Uh what about Zubac? Anyways I liked Plumlee last year but seems like maybe more of a buy out guy if LAC trades him. Have to see how he bounces back. Anyways I think they need a more mobile big if they add a big guy see below.

[165bows]

Tillman still makes some sense. I think Joe would like to keep the option of being able to go double-big at any and all points in the playoffs so having a guy like Tillman can help accomplish that. Plus it helps your backcourt by pushing JB down to guard when they go double-big and PP becomes the 4th guard in the playoff rotation. No need to acquire a pricey guard.

Then again, how many acquisitions could we afford will bring in a player better than Stephens?

Not sure if this is Tillman or not but after thinking over re: the Stewart ideas yesterday, I think an additional big needs to be a 4/5 type that can pay with either of Al/KP on defense.

Offense is actually an easier fit, contrary to most teams where they have bigs that don't fit together skill/spacing-wise. Celtics have the opposite issue and thinking they need sort of a poor man's Claxton type.

[BK_2020]

Some massive red flags for Stewart.
Dude is 6'7 barefoot and reportedly can't jump. 7'4 wingspan but still no more short bigs please.
Shooting 60.1% 0-3 feet from the basket for his career. .580 this season and .571 last season. This is over almost 6000 minutes.
I have never noticed this guy even when watching the Pistons but all signs point to him being a worse Grant Williams. Him shooting 33% from wide open corner threes isn't going to make him a good fit, we need tall guys who can jump or who are so tall they don't need to jump.

[zoyathedestroya]

I don’t understand the fascination with Stewart either. Not worth all that trouble and price (trade cost + tax implications). Just give me PJ Tucker on the buyout. Someone you can throw in for 8-10 mins situationally.

Anyone we add midseason better be someone Joe is gonna use in his rotation for sure and can help us win now (like when we traded for DWhite). Otherwise, it’s just a huge waste.

I think we add someone who fits the Grant TPE at best and/or a buyout minimum guy.

[jordb2k7]

I don’t understand the fascination with Stewart either. Not worth all that trouble and price (trade cost + tax implications). Just give me PJ Tucker on the buyout. Someone you can throw in for 8-10 mins situationally.

Anyone we add midseason better be someone Joe is gonna use in his rotation for sure and can help us win now (like when we traded for DWhite). Otherwise, it’s just a huge waste.

I think we add someone who fits the Grant TPE at best and/or a buyout minimum guy.

I think this is the likely path as well. The problem as you're well aware is just not a lot out there we can get with the TPE. Frustrating we didn't get a minimum guy this offseason really contributing like some teams did. I'd be fine with Tucker as well if bought out, he might be alright with what we can surround him with.

[ConstableGeneva]

Danny better not deal with Pat the Rat and hand Markkanen over to them. He would be a perfect fit for them. Just drain OKC dry for picks.

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What about Plumlee? He's coming from injury soon but Theis might've Wally Pipp'd him. He's a $5mil expiring too so he fits the Grant TPE

I'm pretty sure the Clippers didn't get Theis to replace Plumlee. They got Theis so they could have 2 serviceable centers on the roster. If they traded Plumlee, they'd only have 1, and they'd be right back in the same position they were in before they signed Theis..

Uh what about Zubac? Anyways I liked Plumlee last year but seems like maybe more of a buy out guy if LAC trades him. Have to see how he bounces back. Anyways I think they need a more mobile big if they add a big guy see below.

Oh right, brain fart lol.

Well, they probably will hang on to all 3 centers, even after Plumlee gets back I would think. Plumlee is getting old and had a serious injury, so they're gonna watch his minutes and not just get rid of Theis because then what if Plumlee re-injuries himself..

[165bows]

Some massive red flags for Stewart.
Dude is 6'7 barefoot and reportedly can't jump. 7'4 wingspan but still no more short bigs please.
Shooting 60.1% 0-3 feet from the basket for his career. .580 this season and .571 last season. This is over almost 6000 minutes.
I have never noticed this guy even when watching the Pistons but all signs point to him being a worse Grant Williams. Him shooting 33% from wide open corner threes isn't going to make him a good fit, we need tall guys who can jump or who are so tall they don't need to jump.

I think the idea is he is the defender/rebounder Grant was rumored to be, albeit with less shooting.

Feel like they really need someone mobile and he might be it but that's a lot to pay for that as you say.

[Hal14]

Some massive red flags for Stewart.
Dude is 6'7 barefoot and reportedly can't jump. 7'4 wingspan but still no more short bigs please.
Shooting 60.1% 0-3 feet from the basket for his career. .580 this season and .571 last season. This is over almost 6000 minutes.
I have never noticed this guy even when watching the Pistons but all signs point to him being a worse Grant Williams. Him shooting 33% from wide open corner threes isn't going to make him a good fit, we need tall guys who can jump or who are so tall they don't need to jump.

Those red flags don't seem so massive

Reportedly can't jump..uh, anything to base that claim on? I mean, I don't think he's an elite leaper or anything but he has been a good rebounder throughout his career. He did not do a vertical jump at the draft combine so we have no way of knowing for sure.

As for his measurements..at the combine he measured 6'8.5" with shoes (players play basketball in shoes and the in-shoes measurements are the official ones used by NBA teams). 7'4.75" wingspan, 243 lbs and a 9'0.5" standing reach. Yes, he's pretty big.

I mean, he's not massive in size but that's why he's a combo 4/5 type of guy, rather than a guy who can only play the 5. He's got the size to play the 5 but the mobility to play the 4.Having that versatility is valuable.

And he's 2.5" taller and 6.75" longer wingspan, 7 lbs heavier than Grant Williams.

[BK_2020]

Grant is 6'8 in shoes. That's small. Also the guy clearly plays below the rim if he's shooting 60% at the rim. He would have to be a wizard at perimeter defense to have a shot at not sucking but I just don't see it.

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[Andre3822]

Keep in mind Stewart also plays on the worst team in the league with zero spacing.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

I don’t understand the fascination with Stewart either. Not worth all that trouble and price (trade cost + tax implications). Just give me PJ Tucker on the buyout. Someone you can throw in for 8-10 mins situationally.

Anyone we add midseason better be someone Joe is gonna use in his rotation for sure and can help us win now (like when we traded for DWhite). Otherwise, it’s just a huge waste.

I think we add someone who fits the Grant TPE at best and/or a buyout minimum guy.

I'm definitely not trading Pritch for him.
The pp has been flowing nicely this season and I don't think you want to interrupt it.

[BK_2020]

Keep in mind Stewart also plays on the worst team in the league with zero spacing.

Bogey 68.8% at the rim
Bagley 68.6%
Wiseman 89.5%
Duren 77.3%
What do they all share? They play for the worst team in the league with zero spacing plus they are not below the rim midgets who suck at finishing.

[165bows]

Keep in mind Stewart also plays on the worst team in the league with zero spacing.

Bogey 68.8% at the rim
Bagley 68.6%
Wiseman 89.5%
Duren 77.3%
What do they all share? They play for the worst team in the league with zero spacing plus they are not below the rim midgets who suck at finishing.

I watched a couple of highlights yesterday from games this year, the kind where they just feature each play the player was involved in for the whole game.

He had like four tip attempts in a row in a big crowd. So the software shows the play like 5-6 times in a row, since each rebound and shot attempt is categorized as its own play lol.

[Celts17Pride]

I'm sure the Celtics had great interest in Stewart this summer before he signed his extension. Really believe this is old news. Doesn't really make sense now that Stewart has a poison pill contract.

[neno]

I'm sure the Celtics had great interest in Stewart this summer before he signed his extension. Really believe this is old news. Doesn't really make sense now that Stewart has a poison pill contract.

Yup, 17 mill is tough I like stew as much as the next but it's easier to use pics n tpe to get precious or nic richards. Precious looks to fit better but will be a free agent at season end where as richards locked in for 5 mill a year the next 2 seasons

[Dogen]

Stewart is not the target. Brad will acquire Duren with the Grant TPE. Top 6 PP Hauser Kornet will not be part of any movement.

You wish... and I do too!

Duren fits into the TPE, but why does Detroit give up on the man-child Duren so quickly? They will likely be in fire sale mode by February, yet I would think Jalen is part of the ongoing rebuild. Maybe TPE and throw picks at them.

Dude is a beast, but he's also quite raw still. If Brad gets him for TPE and pocket change, that would be great but for Detroit it's a fireable offense.

[Hal14]

Stewart is not the target. Brad will acquire Duren with the Grant TPE. Top 6 PP Hauser Kornet will not be part of any movement.

You wish... and I do too!

Duren fits into the TPE, but why does Detroit give up on the man-child Duren so quickly? They will likely be in fire sale mode by February, yet I would think Jalen is part of the ongoing rebuild. Maybe TPE and throw picks at them.

Dude is a beast, but he's also quite raw still. If Brad gets him for TPE and pocket change, that would be great but for Detroit it's a fireable offense.

They won't. Detroit has 3 untouchable guys on the roster (Cade, Ausar, Duren). No way any of them gets moved.

I'd put Ivey in that group too but it seems like his minutes and his role have diminished a bit in year 2 (when you'd think they would be increased compared to rookie year) so who knows, they might trade him but I doubt it.

[cl2117]

I'd be fine with giving up a first and some 2nds for Stewart. He doesn't have the highest ceiling but his floor is solid.

He's a hustle big, with decent athleticism who can bring some toughness to the team. He's not a starter but you can play him next to either KP or Horford and also as a small-ball C on his own sometimes. If he continues to improve his shooting he could end up being an elite roleplayer as opposed to just a rotation piece (up to 37% on his 3PT shooting this season and 79% from the line, so positive signs there). The main thing is that he'd be great insurance for our biggest risk area and he can also slide into Horford's role/minutes much further down the line (obviously not a like for like replacement but still a functional option). I'd expect to see his overall play improve when surrounded by all-star calibre talent.

His contract after this year is basically $45m for 3 years (club option for 4th year at same amount). $15m a year isn't that much more than the MLE and for a playoff rotation piece it's not overly pricey. He would serve as solid trade ballast as well for future deals if we decided to go in another direction. It's going to be tough to add significant salaries as a 2nd apron team, I like the idea of creating a salary slot now that'll give us options down the line (still regret not bringing back Grant).

If you can get him for our 2024 first (likely #28-30) and some 2nds, that's good value in my opinion. Then the key would be getting value back for Pritchard separately that'd fit into our Grant Williams TPE so he's not just salary filler for a Beef Stew trade. You could end up with a 5 for 4 trade by using the TPEs.