Fake Trade Thread #5

SWedd523 · Post #1341 » by **SWedd523** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:53 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:You guys are going to end up with a Lamelo trade demand eventually. Trade terry trade Miles trade everyone and keep winning 20 games. I'll just keep with the belief this season is a wash due to injuries and pray to freaking God our top 5 pick on top of free agency can bring some depth. I don't think we're that far off. I truly don't.

Better to keep those guys and still win 20 games and then wait for Melo to demand a trade anyway

Liver_Pooty · Post #1342 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:15 am

SWedd523 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:You guys are going to end up with a Lamelo trade demand eventually. Trade terry trade Miles trade everyone and keep winning 20 games. I'll just keep with the belief this season is a wash due to injuries and pray to freaking God our top 5 pick on top of free agency can bring some depth. I don't think we're that far off. I truly don't.

Better to keep those guys and still win 20 games and then wait for Melo to demand a trade anyway

All a matter of health and availability in my opinion. This season might be a blessing in disguise.

SWedd523 · Post #1343 » by **SWedd523** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 2:13 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:You guys are going to end up with a Lamelo trade demand eventually. Trade terry trade Miles trade everyone and keep winning 20 games. I'll just keep with the belief this season is a wash due to injuries and pray to freaking God our top 5 pick on top of free agency can bring some depth. I don't think we're that far off. I truly don't.

Better to keep those guys and still win 20 games and then wait for Melo to demand a trade anyway

All a matter of health and availability in my opinion. This season might be a blessing in disguise.

What year is it again?

Convenient excuse 3 years runnin’

Bassman · Post #1344 » by **Bassman** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 2:21 pm

Well, this season is a flush, no two ways about it. I know young players will still push and compete. Miller is not a quitter. Miles has to play well for $$$ on his next contract. They will not tank, nor will coach dog, who needs work to support his retirement fund. We will crawl into the back half of the lottery and hope.

Trading Hayward is really a no brainer, if the deal brings us some type of quality depth and another expiring. We will likely keep Terry as I doubt he brings us a good equivalent player.

Post #1345 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:09 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:Better to keep those guys and still win 20 games and then wait for Melo to demand a trade anyway

All a matter of health and availability in my opinion. This season might be a blessing in disguise.

What year is it again?

Convenient excuse 3 years runnin’

I know it feels like that, but two years ago we won 43 games.

JMAC3 · Post #1346 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:57 pm

LaMelo has to be close to coming back, but maybe we can piece it together like Orlando did last year. They were awful to start the year and then finished the 2nd half of the year pretty much as a .500 team.

I think a few trades to help with depth and fit make sense, but I am also not to the point where everyone sucks and we should blow it up and rebuild from ground up around Miller and Mark...

MPM · Post #1347 » by **MPM** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:03 pm

ATL looking to move off Hunter/Capela (supposedly).

Not sure how trading Capela helps ATL with him playing well, only having another year on his contract, and Okongwu being the only other legit rotation big, but...

Hunter is a long-term contract with Jalen Johnson surging (and AJ/Bey positioned for backup mins). He does play a bit of D, shoots the 3 at 40% this year and is only 26 - wonder if Hayward's expiring and 2nds do it? I wouldn't do a protected first. Knock I've heard is he can play a bit soft, but if we're looking to turn Gordo into something we could do worse.

Bassman · Post #1348 » by **Bassman** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:58 pm

MPM wrote:ATL looking to move off Hunter/Capela (supposedly).

Not sure how trading Capela helps ATL with him playing well, only having another year on his contract, and Okongwu being the only other legit rotation big, but...

Hunter is a long-term contract with Jalen Johnson surging (and AJ/Bey positioned for backup mins). He does play a bit of D, shoots the 3 at 40% this year and is only 26 - wonder if Hayward's expiring and 2nds do it? I wouldn't do a protected first. Knock I've heard is he can play a bit soft, but if we're looking to turn Gordo into something we could do worse.

This is an example of why I’d like the ownership to get their new GM hired now. This type of trade decision could be helpful if one believes Hunter is our long term SF solution (with Miller at the 2). I think he is intriguing as a replacement for Hayward. But this regime is not likely to take such a chance on a guy with 3 more years of $20M + raises, nor should they given they are likely outta here.

MPM · Post #1349 » by **MPM** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:37 pm

FWIW, a pretty balanced view of the good and bad. This was from last May - interesting to note he's having a career year from 3, which sort of answers the question in the piece regarding his ability to extend his mid range game in 23/24.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2023/5/15/23723180/2022-23-atlanta-hawks-player-season-review-deandre-hunter-recap-stats-quotes-quin-snyder

JustBuzzin · Post #1350 » by **JustBuzzin** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:04 pm

Hunter would be nice. We definitely need a wing defender.

JMAC3 · Post #1351 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:35 pm

Not a huge fan of Hunter. He gets labeled a defender, but historically he grades out pretty bad on that end of the floor. Hasn't really proved he changes a teams defense as Atlanta has graded out near bottom of the league every year. That all can't be Trae Young fault either because Hunter, Capela, OO, Collins, Murray etc are viewed as solid to good defenders. I think a lot of those guys are overrated defensively.

JustBuzzin · Post #1352 » by **JustBuzzin** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:10 am

JMAC3 wrote:LaMelo has to be close to coming back, but maybe we can piece it together like Orlando did last year. They were awful to start the year and then finished the 2nd half of the year pretty much as a .500 team.

I think a few trades to help with depth and fit make sense, but I am also not to the point where everyone sucks and we should blow it up and rebuild from ground up around Miller and Mark...

Are you suggesting we trade LaMelo who just signed a supermax?

Post #1353 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:34 pm

Am I crazy for being interested in a Terry for Dejounte Murray swap? Similar skill set but better defense?

Not sure why ATL would do it.

MPM · Post #1354 » by **MPM** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:49 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Am I crazy for being interested in a Terry for Dejounte Murray swap? Similar skill set but better defense?

Not sure why ATL would do it.

I would very much like Murray. Agree, though - tough ticket - ATL gave up three unprotected 1sts and a pick swap to grab him. Been rolling around trade scenarios and unless ATL is really into cap relief (Hayward) not really seeing it. Can you imagine a Trae/Terry back court? The sieviest of sieves.

JMAC3 · Post #1355 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:04 pm

MPM wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Am I crazy for being interested in a Terry for Dejounte Murray swap? Similar skill set but better defense?

Not sure why ATL would do it.

I would very much like Murray. Agree, though - tough ticket - ATL gave up three unprotected 1sts and a pick swap to grab him. Been rolling around trade scenarios and unless ATL is really into cap relief (Hayward) not really seeing it. Can you imagine a Trae/Terry back court? The sieviest of sieves.

Atlanta fans are done with him. They say he doesn't defend and he can't play off the ball. Not sure that really is checking many boxes for me.

JMAC3 · Post #1356 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 4:08 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:LaMelo has to be close to coming back, but maybe we can piece it together like Orlando did last year. They were awful to start the year and then finished the 2nd half of the year pretty much as a .500 team.

I think a few trades to help with depth and fit make sense, but I am also not to the point where everyone sucks and we should blow it up and rebuild from ground up around Miller and Mark...

Are you suggesting we trade LaMelo who just signed a supermax?

huh? in no way did I say that haha.

JMAC3 · Post #1357 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:40 pm

Read on Twitter

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This is not Shams talking trade, but rather Shams talking Pistons plans in FA. They are likely not trading this year at 2-29 unless selling. Not buyers.

But here are the Bridges trade rules, as a reminder.
1. He has a no trade clause. Shouldn't really be a factor IMO.
2. Hornets have his bird rights, can go over the cap to sign him.
3. If a team trades for him, they do not get his bird rights.

Meaning, in a trade the team can only resign Bridges with cap space. That limits the number of teams that are probably interested at a certain price. That leaves 2 types of trades IMO.

1. The team that has cap space that wants to sign him next off-season like Pistons, who would pay 35 cents on the dollar to get him in house and make negotiating easier. Something like Monte Morris and 2 2nds or Killian Hayes and a 2nd. Teams projected with over 20 million in cap space. 76ers, Pistons, Magic, Pacers, Jazz, Raptors, Spurs, Wizards, Rockets

2. A team that has no cap space. That is good and is willing to just trade for him as a half season rental and let him walk at end of the year, common in baseball. So again this probably limits the assets a team will give for a 95% chance he walks at end of year. Ala a Celtics, Miami, Dallas etc...

Here are 5 realistic trades Imo.

1. Hayes and 2nd for Bridges. Pistons resign Bridges to long-term deal in FA.
2. Korkmaz and Clippers 2028 1st. Sixers get boost this year and have space to maybe sign Bridges.
3. Obi Toppin and 2nd. Pacers improve this year and gives us one RFA for an UFA, probably sign Bridges.
4. Jovic and Love. Heat just get Bridges for playoff run, he signs elsewhere.
5. Josh Green and Markeiff Morris. Mavs get Bridges for playoff run and he signs elsewhere.

JustBuzzin · Post #1358 » by **JustBuzzin** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:39 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:LaMelo has to be close to coming back, but maybe we can piece it together like Orlando did last year. They were awful to start the year and then finished the 2nd half of the year pretty much as a .500 team.

I think a few trades to help with depth and fit make sense, but I am also not to the point where everyone sucks and we should blow it up and rebuild from ground up around Miller and Mark...

Are you suggesting we trade LaMelo who just signed a supermax?

huh? in no way did I say that haha.

you said build around Miller and Mark.

I'm thinking you mean everyone else is available besides those 2 players.

JMAC3 · Post #1359 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:29 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Are you suggesting we trade LaMelo who just signed a supermax?

huh? in no way did I say that haha.
you said build around Miller and Mark.

I'm thinking you mean everyone else is available besides those 2 players.

I said "im not" to the point to rebuild around Miller and Mark and blow it up.

Snidely FC · Post #1360 » by **Snidely FC** » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:30 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Josh Green and Markeiff Morris.

I like this one. Would like to add Josh Green.