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Post#761 » by Guano » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:25 am

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Hes_On_Fire wrote:It’s what good organizations do. We’re not used to it since we haven’t had one in 25 years.


We definitely have some nice pieces. And truthfully we do have one of the better orgs right now. But our lack or commitment to the draft and continuing to overpay mid vets is definitely a problem.

But it can't be ignored that we are one of the better teams in the east.

We've identified some solid talent and pounced - Brunson and iHart being prime examples. They've also developed IQ amd Mitch nicely. We are far from perfect.

The teams plan on landing a star isn't looking good as of now. But we aren't the trash org we once were.

This is a nice team.

But it's easy to hate on em because it's not a true contender. And if that's all some fans care about I get not fcking with em.


3 of our rotations players are late first round picks or early 2nd. It’s not like they haven’t used the draft before. People forget that the only reason we didn’t have a pick last year is cuz of the Mavs tanking. Nobody would have predicted before the season or even at the trade deadline that the pick wouldn’t have conveyed.

Also using picks to get good vets is absolutely a valid use of draft capitol. The nuggets did that with Aaron Gordon a few years back. Warriors used draft assets to bring in Iguodala. At the end of the day it’s about using your assets to add more nba talent to your roster. Which is something they’ve done cuz we’re on pace for 48 wins.



I don't disagree with you. There is a lil difference in those teams and us being that they have two elite super stars on their teams which makes it easier to use draft capital to add vet pieces.

I'm just in the camp that would like to see them take some risk in the draft to find us an elite talent.

Its fair to have some complaints about the construction of the roster right now. Bringing in Donte when we have IQ and are in need of a SF/PF is puzzling.

But it's all small - this is the best run we've had in a long time.
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Re: Around the NBA Continued 

Post#762 » by Chanel Bomber » Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:08 am

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Guano wrote:
We definitely have some nice pieces. And truthfully we do have one of the better orgs right now. But our lack or commitment to the draft and continuing to overpay mid vets is definitely a problem.

But it can't be ignored that we are one of the better teams in the east.

We've identified some solid talent and pounced - Brunson and iHart being prime examples. They've also developed IQ amd Mitch nicely. We are far from perfect.

The teams plan on landing a star isn't looking good as of now. But we aren't the trash org we once were.

This is a nice team.

But it's easy to hate on em because it's not a true contender. And if that's all some fans care about I get not fcking with em.


3 of our rotations players are late first round picks or early 2nd. It’s not like they haven’t used the draft before. People forget that the only reason we didn’t have a pick last year is cuz of the Mavs tanking. Nobody would have predicted before the season or even at the trade deadline that the pick wouldn’t have conveyed.

Also using picks to get good vets is absolutely a valid use of draft capitol. The nuggets did that with Aaron Gordon a few years back. Warriors used draft assets to bring in Iguodala. At the end of the day it’s about using your assets to add more nba talent to your roster. Which is something they’ve done cuz we’re on pace for 48 wins.



I don't disagree with you. There is a lil difference in those teams and us being that they have two elite super stars on their teams which makes it easier to use draft capital to add vet pieces.

I'm just in the camp that would like to see them take some risk in the draft to find us an elite talent.

Its fair to have some complaints about the construction of the roster right now. Bringing in Donte when we have IQ and are in need of a SF/PF is puzzling.

But it's all small - this is the best run we've had in a long time.

I think all the signs pointed towards the Knicks projecting to make a trade involving IQ before the deadline:

- Not extending him thus keeping him trade eligible (no PPP)
- Signing a player with a relatively comparable skill set in the offseason (as a logical replacement)

I just don't know what the trade is because no star is available at the moment and players who could help us (OG, DFS, Mikal, Cam Johnson) play on teams that are unlikely to deal with us. I guess we'll see.

I'll say this, if the Knicks enter free agency next summer with IQ receiving a max offer as a RFA, after a full season of Donte eating into his minutes, we'll have reached peak Knicks absurdity.
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Re: Around the NBA Continued 

Post#763 » by DaGawd » Tue Dec 26, 2023 6:03 am

the suns are cooked. it’s about to be a race between kd and book over who gets out of there first
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Post#764 » by Montmorencie » Tue Dec 26, 2023 6:07 am

DaGawd wrote:the suns are cooked. it’s about to be a race between kd and book over who gets out of there first


KD better get ready to learn Chinese.
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Post#765 » by knicksNOTslick » Tue Dec 26, 2023 6:43 am

DaGawd wrote:the suns are cooked. it’s about to be a race between kd and book over who gets out of there first

Of the Nets former Big 3, who would've thought that Kyrie found himself in a more stable situation. Harden's on his 2nd team with Philly and the Clippers. KD is probably gonna want out soon if Beal stays injured and they keep losing.
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Post#766 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Dec 26, 2023 6:45 am

I didn't see the 4th quarter but reports are that KD quit on the Suns in the 4th. Is this true? KD seems like he may not be a great teammate. Not a leader.

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Post#767 » by Snacks » Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:49 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:I didn't see the 4th quarter but reports are that KD quit on the Suns in the 4th. Is this true? KD seems like he may not be a great teammate. Not a leader.




Hilarious and very observant video.
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Post#768 » by Reign23 » Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:46 am

there is a very very small group of "star"-players that I don't want on the knicks. I'd rather be mediocre then going to finals with them.
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Post#769 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 26, 2023 12:45 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:I didn't see the 4th quarter but reports are that KD quit on the Suns in the 4th. Is this true? KD seems like he may not be a great teammate. Not a leader.



Surprise, surprise.

I have to give KD credit, I didn't think he'd ruin Phoenix this quickly, at least not before Kyrie ruined Dallas. Impressive.

I hope Booker asks for a trade. Brunson/Booker would be a solid backcourt
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Post#770 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Tue Dec 26, 2023 2:09 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
Guano wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
3 of our rotations players are late first round picks or early 2nd. It’s not like they haven’t used the draft before. People forget that the only reason we didn’t have a pick last year is cuz of the Mavs tanking. Nobody would have predicted before the season or even at the trade deadline that the pick wouldn’t have conveyed.

Also using picks to get good vets is absolutely a valid use of draft capitol. The nuggets did that with Aaron Gordon a few years back. Warriors used draft assets to bring in Iguodala. At the end of the day it’s about using your assets to add more nba talent to your roster. Which is something they’ve done cuz we’re on pace for 48 wins.



I don't disagree with you. There is a lil difference in those teams and us being that they have two elite super stars on their teams which makes it easier to use draft capital to add vet pieces.

I'm just in the camp that would like to see them take some risk in the draft to find us an elite talent.

Its fair to have some complaints about the construction of the roster right now. Bringing in Donte when we have IQ and are in need of a SF/PF is puzzling.

But it's all small - this is the best run we've had in a long time.

I think all the signs pointed towards the Knicks projecting to make a trade involving IQ before the deadline:

- Not extending him thus keeping him trade eligible (no PPP)
- Signing a player with a relatively comparable skill set in the offseason (as a logical replacement)

I just don't know what the trade is because no star is available at the moment and players who could help us (OG, DFS, Mikal, Cam Johnson) play on teams that are unlikely to deal with us. I guess we'll see.

I'll say this, if the Knicks enter free agency next summer with IQ receiving a max offer as a RFA, after a full season of Donte eating into his minutes, we'll have reached peak Knicks absurdity.


How much is IQ’s max contract? He’ll def get that 25 million he wanted this summer from someone else. Maybe even 30, but I’m not sure it will be more than that. Basically do what we did to the Mavs with Brunson. I still think at 25 million it gets done for us but we’ll see.
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Post#771 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 26, 2023 2:56 pm

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Lmaoooooooo

Yo this is bad. I don't even want to laugh but, goddamn :lol:
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Post#772 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:00 pm

Guano wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Guano wrote:
We definitely have some nice pieces. And truthfully we do have one of the better orgs right now. But our lack or commitment to the draft and continuing to overpay mid vets is definitely a problem.

But it can't be ignored that we are one of the better teams in the east.

We've identified some solid talent and pounced - Brunson and iHart being prime examples. They've also developed IQ amd Mitch nicely. We are far from perfect.

The teams plan on landing a star isn't looking good as of now. But we aren't the trash org we once were.

This is a nice team.

But it's easy to hate on em because it's not a true contender. And if that's all some fans care about I get not fcking with em.


3 of our rotations players are late first round picks or early 2nd. It’s not like they haven’t used the draft before. People forget that the only reason we didn’t have a pick last year is cuz of the Mavs tanking. Nobody would have predicted before the season or even at the trade deadline that the pick wouldn’t have conveyed.

Also using picks to get good vets is absolutely a valid use of draft capitol. The nuggets did that with Aaron Gordon a few years back. Warriors used draft assets to bring in Iguodala. At the end of the day it’s about using your assets to add more nba talent to your roster. Which is something they’ve done cuz we’re on pace for 48 wins.



I don't disagree with you. There is a lil difference in those teams and us being that they have two elite super stars on their teams which makes it easier to use draft capital to add vet pieces.

I'm just in the camp that would like to see them take some risk in the draft to find us an elite talent.

Its fair to have some complaints about the construction of the roster right now. Bringing in Donte when we have IQ and are in need of a SF/PF is puzzling.

But it's all small - this is the best run we've had in a long time.


I guess I see things differently cuz I genuinely don’t care about the back up 4 spot. Hart/RJ have played that role more than fine. Was it nice having Obi for when bam tries to take out Randle again? Sure but adding more shooting was more important.

I do feel for quick, since he’s no longer guaranteed a closing spot but I don’t think it was intentional attempt to block him by bringing Donte in.

Donte just checked a lot of boxes for us. He only cost the mid level, he rebounds better than Obi, creates turnovers, and shoots above 40% from 3. Did I mention that he only cost the mid level? :lol: Guys that do all of that and are 6’8” are going to cost way more than 12 million.

They’ve been very aggressive in the draft IMO. Every year there seems to be a rumor that we’re trying to trade up in the draft. Whether it was for Obi, Ivey, Duarte, and Trey Murphy. My theory in the IQ draft is they traded up for Maxey and didn’t get high enough and the 76ers snatched him up before our pick. It’s honestly for the best it hasn’t always worked out.

If anything my biggest complaint is that they get laser focused on one dude in the draft and make some trade when he’s not there. That’s how they missed out on Jalen Williams and Jalen Johnson.
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Post#773 » by Chanel Bomber » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:00 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:
Guano wrote:

I don't disagree with you. There is a lil difference in those teams and us being that they have two elite super stars on their teams which makes it easier to use draft capital to add vet pieces.

I'm just in the camp that would like to see them take some risk in the draft to find us an elite talent.

Its fair to have some complaints about the construction of the roster right now. Bringing in Donte when we have IQ and are in need of a SF/PF is puzzling.

But it's all small - this is the best run we've had in a long time.

I think all the signs pointed towards the Knicks projecting to make a trade involving IQ before the deadline:

- Not extending him thus keeping him trade eligible (no PPP)
- Signing a player with a relatively comparable skill set in the offseason (as a logical replacement)

I just don't know what the trade is because no star is available at the moment and players who could help us (OG, DFS, Mikal, Cam Johnson) play on teams that are unlikely to deal with us. I guess we'll see.

I'll say this, if the Knicks enter free agency next summer with IQ receiving a max offer as a RFA, after a full season of Donte eating into his minutes, we'll have reached peak Knicks absurdity.


How much is IQ’s max contract? He’ll def get that 25 million he wanted this summer from someone else. Maybe even 30, but I’m not sure it will be more than that. Basically do what we did to the Mavs with Brunson. I still think at 25 million it gets done for us but we’ll see.

I don't know, we'll see. I could see the Spurs offering 35 million a year.
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Post#774 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:15 pm

DaGawd wrote:the suns are cooked. it’s about to be a race between kd and book over who gets out of there first

Sham said the suns were gonna be his team if they got rid of Ayton.. another super team he ruined. The curse is undefeated
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Post#775 » by KnicksGadfly » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:24 pm

Man, definitely coming around to the fact that maybe our biggest mistake was not getting KP
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Post#776 » by BKlutch » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:33 pm

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Lmaoooooooo

Yo this is bad. I don't even want to laugh but, goddamn :lol:

So he's the evil presence behind Ishbia's roster construction? Well, he hasn't changed a bit.
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Post#777 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:35 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:I didn't see the 4th quarter but reports are that KD quit on the Suns in the 4th. Is this true? KD seems like he may not be a great teammate. Not a leader.



Surprise, surprise.

I have to give KD credit, I didn't think he'd ruin Phoenix this quickly, at least not before Kyrie ruined Dallas. Impressive.

I hope Booker asks for a trade. Brunson/Booker would be a solid backcourt


Does Booker play any defense? I ask this because that appears to be the problem with the Suns generally. They don’t play any d.
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Post#778 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:37 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:Man, definitely coming around to the fact that maybe our biggest mistake was not getting KP

He wanted to come back too.
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Post#779 » by FrozenEnvelope » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:53 pm

Seeing KD lose and suffer brings me joy. :D
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Post#780 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:50 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Image

Lmaoooooooo

Yo this is bad. I don't even want to laugh but, goddamn :lol:

So he's the evil presence behind Ishbia's roster construction? Well, he hasn't changed a bit.


I heard that KD was the one who pushed for Bradley Beal, so there's that too. Either way, Ishbia is about to learn a hard lesson.
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