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Game 33: Pistons @ Rockets 8PM EST

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Re: Game 33: Pistons @ Rockets 8PM EST 

Post#41 » by flow » Tue Jan 2, 2024 3:13 pm

Mr Peanut wrote:Cade was due for a come down to earth game. He looked tired and plenty of his shots were falling short. Was hard to watch though when his fellow draft classmates Sengun and Jalen Green were hitting everything.


Why was he due to come back to earth? If he's a franchise player, great performances should be more the norm than the exception.

Why was he tired? This wasn't a back-to-back. They had a day off.

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Re: Game 33: Pistons @ Rockets 8PM EST 

Post#42 » by Neptune » Tue Jan 2, 2024 4:43 pm

flow wrote:
Mr Peanut wrote:Cade was due for a come down to earth game. He looked tired and plenty of his shots were falling short. Was hard to watch though when his fellow draft classmates Sengun and Jalen Green were hitting everything.


Why was he due to come back to earth? If he's a franchise player, great performances should be more the norm than the exception.

Why was he tired? This wasn't a back-to-back. They had a day off.

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Totally agree with this post! Seems like an excuse was made for poor play.
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Re: Game 33: Pistons @ Rockets 8PM EST 

Post#43 » by Billl » Tue Jan 2, 2024 5:18 pm

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Mr Peanut wrote:Cade was due for a come down to earth game. He looked tired and plenty of his shots were falling short. Was hard to watch though when his fellow draft classmates Sengun and Jalen Green were hitting everything.


Why was he due to come back to earth? If he's a franchise player, great performances should be more the norm than the exception.

Why was he tired? This wasn't a back-to-back. They had a day off.

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22 yr old "franchise" players have bad games. He's not a finished product yet. If he stopped developing today, he wouldn't be nearly good enough to be a franchise player. If he keeps improving? He might develop into that consistent and efficient leader every good team needs. No doubt though, he's got work to do to get there.
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Re: Game 33: Pistons @ Rockets 8PM EST 

Post#44 » by whitehops » Tue Jan 2, 2024 5:23 pm

i kind of felt bad for bojan, the rockets were very clearly targeting him and got him switched onto FVV or jalen green at will. between that and sengun going to town in the second half it's no surprise we collapsed defensively.
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Post#45 » by vege » Tue Jan 2, 2024 5:53 pm

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Re: Game 33: Pistons @ Rockets 8PM EST 

Post#46 » by Kalamazoo317 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 7:38 pm

whitehops wrote:i kind of felt bad for bojan, the rockets were very clearly targeting him and got him switched onto FVV or jalen green at will. between that and sengun going to town in the second half it's no surprise we collapsed defensively.


Bogey needs to stop with the sloppy turnovers. He's been the worst offender on that front in the past few games.

Cade just didn't have his shot in this one and we aren't good enough to survive that (obviously).
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Re: Game 33: Pistons @ Rockets 8PM EST 

Post#47 » by Mr Peanut » Wed Jan 3, 2024 8:37 am

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vic wrote:Looking at the Rockets roster has destroyed my patience for Troy Weaver.

How can you draft Ausar Thompson at 5 when CAM WHITMORE was right there with everything you needed. 3 level scoring, defense, aggressiveness. We all love Ausar but as a GM you are supposed to make winning decisions, not emotional ones. Ausar has too many holes in his game.


Ausar has cooled off a bit recently (likely at least in part due to his reduced role), but if we're thinking about guys that we should've drafted over him then Whitmore ain't it. He only played garbage minutes today so it's hard to read into his performance too much, but otherwise he hasn't shown that much this season.

Ausar has shown he has the tools and potential to be an elite rebounder and defender for his position. He's a good cutter on offense. The shot is currently broken but he seems like a hard worker and I think he makes progress in that area to become at least passable.


Cam Whitmore was summer league MVP. He shows more in garbage minutes than any of our wings show in starters minutes because the Rockets draft quality wings while the Pistons had to bring back Kevin Knox from the YMCA just to win ONE GAME! Whitmore is buried behind much, much better players.

On our team he would be in contention for Rookie of the year because he would fill a huge gaping hole in our roster!

Because Troy puts millions of dollars into centers that can't play defense or shoot 3s in a league where wings that are 2-way players and 3 level scorers literally CAUSE YOUR TEAM TO WIN! Everybody knows this but Troy Weaver obviously.


I get where you're coming from, but there's a reason they are called garbage minutes. Because they are when the worst players from both teams are out on the floor so it's a stone's throw from being G-League quality, which means interpreting an individual's performance has to be done cautiously.

You obviously have beef with Weaver's roster construction (as do a lot of us), but there is absolutely no compelling evidence yet to suggest that Whitmore should have been selected over Ausar.
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Re: Game 33: Pistons @ Rockets 8PM EST 

Post#48 » by Mr Peanut » Wed Jan 3, 2024 8:45 am

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Mr Peanut wrote:Cade was due for a come down to earth game. He looked tired and plenty of his shots were falling short. Was hard to watch though when his fellow draft classmates Sengun and Jalen Green were hitting everything.


Why was he due to come back to earth? If he's a franchise player, great performances should be more the norm than the exception.

Why was he tired? This wasn't a back-to-back. They had a day off.


Great performances for him have been the norm recently, and the bad game was the exception. Not sure how you interpreted the opposite from my statement.

He's tired because he's played the 8th most minutes this season out of all NBA players. And of the 7 players with more minutes than him, he exceeds all of them in usage. This is for a guy who's just been out for a year with injury and is likely still building up his conditioning. So there should be no surprises that he's tired.

Neptune wrote:Totally agree with this post! Seems like an excuse was made for poor play.


No excuses, just a potential explanation. It was pretty clear watching the game that a lot of his shots were hitting the front of the rim and he wasn't nearly as active defensively as what he has been recently.
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Re: Game 33: Pistons @ Rockets 8PM EST 

Post#49 » by flow » Wed Jan 3, 2024 3:49 pm

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Mr Peanut wrote:Cade was due for a come down to earth game. He looked tired and plenty of his shots were falling short. Was hard to watch though when his fellow draft classmates Sengun and Jalen Green were hitting everything.


Why was he due to come back to earth? If he's a franchise player, great performances should be more the norm than the exception.

Why was he tired? This wasn't a back-to-back. They had a day off.


Great performances for him have been the norm recently, and the bad game was the exception. Not sure how you interpreted the opposite from my statement.

He's tired because he's played the 8th most minutes this season out of all NBA players. And of the 7 players with more minutes than him, he exceeds all of them in usage. This is for a guy who's just been out for a year with injury and is likely still building up his conditioning. So there should be no surprises that he's tired.

Neptune wrote:Totally agree with this post! Seems like an excuse was made for poor play.


No excuses, just a potential explanation. It was pretty clear watching the game that a lot of his shots were hitting the front of the rim and he wasn't nearly as active defensively as what he has been recently.


Because the term "came back to earth" is typically used to describe a player who played back to their norm after playing over their head the previous game or two.

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Re: Game 33: Pistons @ Rockets 8PM EST 

Post#50 » by zeebneeb » Wed Jan 3, 2024 4:33 pm

Interesting to see how some people interpret things around here. Cade is in his second year. He is going to have off-nights, and he just got a huge monkey off his back, and the teams back by playing at an all-world level for weeks.

It is an obvious interpretation that he was going to have a bad game due to these circumstances, as I pointed out, before the game. Things ebb and flow.

Just as a comparison, go out and compare Cades season so far, with some of the more established stars now, and see where he stands. He is a work in progress, but he is coming along amazingly.

Be happy the teams got a few guys to start to build around. Be fearful of the inept leadership.
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Re: Game 33: Pistons @ Rockets 8PM EST 

Post#51 » by Mr Peanut » Wed Jan 3, 2024 10:15 pm

flow wrote:
Mr Peanut wrote:
flow wrote:
Why was he due to come back to earth? If he's a franchise player, great performances should be more the norm than the exception.

Why was he tired? This wasn't a back-to-back. They had a day off.


Great performances for him have been the norm recently, and the bad game was the exception. Not sure how you interpreted the opposite from my statement.

He's tired because he's played the 8th most minutes this season out of all NBA players. And of the 7 players with more minutes than him, he exceeds all of them in usage. This is for a guy who's just been out for a year with injury and is likely still building up his conditioning. So there should be no surprises that he's tired.

Neptune wrote:Totally agree with this post! Seems like an excuse was made for poor play.


No excuses, just a potential explanation. It was pretty clear watching the game that a lot of his shots were hitting the front of the rim and he wasn't nearly as active defensively as what he has been recently.


Because the term "came back to earth" is typically used to describe a player who played back to their norm after playing over their head the previous game or two.

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Maybe a bad turn of phrase by me. Moreso was trying to say that after so many good games recently it was almost expected he would have one where he looked human again.
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Re: Game 33: Pistons @ Rockets 8PM EST 

Post#52 » by MortSahlfan » Fri Jan 5, 2024 6:05 pm

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Re: Game 33: Pistons @ Rockets 8PM EST 

Post#53 » by Kalamazoo317 » Fri Jan 5, 2024 6:30 pm

I've been a Killian holdout for a while now, but that third quarter killed it for me. He's a liability if you want to win and the sooner we move on from him the better, IMO.

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