Updated Cap Sheet

[bluerap23]

Rudy Gay was a net negative most games, IMO. The turnaround reflected a lot of winnable games. The Raptors are about head out West on the Road Trip of Death. They could easily come back 10 games or more under .500. That said, there is no way Pascal is traded for crap just out of fear about how his contract might handcuff us IN TWO YEARS. If there is a reasonable return for him out there, fine, go for it now. Otherwise, accept the risk he might leave, because if there is one thing losing him for nothing would do, aside from making a lot of fans angry, is that the Raptors would have a lot of cap space to take on other teams' excess contracts with picks or prospects attached.

While I agree that they are really completely different situations, and I don't expect us to win anywhere close to 48, there is a chance that the team turns this around and Pascal is retained long-term as a result. I am skeptical that they will get a sufficient offer for PS to justify trading him. I'd WAY rather have him long-term than a lot of the garbage being floated.

The starting lineup still doesn't work because RJ/PS/Jak are below average shooters, but this doesn't have to change over night.
BUT if we have to replace pieces for diminished returns I'd rather it be the guys that are not all-nba. A line-up built around Scottie, PS and IQ can definitely work.

[Jerry Lucas]

Rudy Gay was a net negative most games, IMO. The turnaround reflected a lot of winnable games. The Raptors are about head out West on the Road Trip of Death. They could easily come back 10 games or more under .500. That said, there is no way Pascal is traded for crap just out of fear about how his contract might handcuff us IN TWO YEARS. If there is a reasonable return for him out there, fine, go for it now. Otherwise, accept the risk he might leave, because if there is one thing losing him for nothing would do, aside from making a lot of fans angry, is that the Raptors would have a lot of cap space to take on other teams' excess contracts with picks or prospects attached.

While I agree that they are really completely different situations, and I don't expect us to win anywhere close to 48, there is a chance that the team turns this around and Pascal is retained long-term as a result. I am skeptical that they will get a sufficient offer for PS to justify trading him. I'd WAY rather have him long-term than a lot of the garbage being floated.

The starting lineup still doesn't work because RJ/PS/Jak are below average shooters, but this doesn't have to change over night.
BUT if we have to replace pieces for diminished returns I'd rather it be the guys that are not all-nba. A line-up built around Scottie, PS and IQ can definitely work.

Possible easy fix to this could end up being swapping Trent and RJ in the starting lineup.

[bluerap23]

Rudy Gay was a net negative most games, IMO. The turnaround reflected a lot of winnable games. The Raptors are about head out West on the Road Trip of Death. They could easily come back 10 games or more under .500. That said, there is no way Pascal is traded for crap just out of fear about how his contract might handcuff us IN TWO YEARS. If there is a reasonable return for him out there, fine, go for it now. Otherwise, accept the risk he might leave, because if there is one thing losing him for nothing would do, aside from making a lot of fans angry, is that the Raptors would have a lot of cap space to take on other teams' excess contracts with picks or prospects attached.

While I agree that they are really completely different situations, and I don't expect us to win anywhere close to 48, there is a chance that the team turns this around and Pascal is retained long-term as a result. I am skeptical that they will get a sufficient offer for PS to justify trading him. I'd WAY rather have him long-term than a lot of the garbage being floated.

The starting lineup still doesn't work because RJ/PS/Jak are below average shooters, but this doesn't have to change over night.
BUT if we have to replace pieces for diminished returns I'd rather it be the guys that are not all-nba. A line-up built around Scottie, PS and IQ can definitely work.

Possible easy fix to this could end up being swapping Trent and RJ in the starting lineup.

Yeah that makes sense in theory, but I don't think they will do it. They are probably gonna try and get RJ to improve his out side shooting and overall efficiency. I think they genuinely view him as a development project. The Knicks starting lineup also didn't help him so will be interesting to see what happens here. I really liked what I saw from him in his first game, despite him not knowing where to be on the floor.

[YogurtProducer]

Here is an updated projection for 2024 and beyond with Pascal maxed (even if traded presumably we will be taking back a lot of salary), 135 million contract for IQ and no Gary. Haven't had time to really go over with fine tooth comb.

In theory if we traded Siakam/Schroder for CP3/Kuminga/GP2/Moody, what would our cap space be before signing IQ with his cap hold and just assuming we bring back GTJ on like 15M or something? Would we have the ability to chase a FA if we deny CP3s option?

[StopitLeo]

Here is an updated projection for 2024 and beyond with Pascal maxed (even if traded presumably we will be taking back a lot of salary), 135 million contract for IQ and no Gary. Haven't had time to really go over with fine tooth comb.

In theory if we traded Siakam/Schroder for CP3/Kuminga/GP2/Moody, what would our cap space be before signing IQ with his cap hold and just assuming we bring back GTJ on like 15M or something? Would we have the ability to chase a FA if we deny CP3s option?

At most I believe the cap space would be slightly more than the non-taxpayer MLE ($13M). The issue is GTJ's caphold is $29M, which negates any space available from CP3's non-guaranteed $30M. If you renounced GTJ you'd have something to potentially work with.

[YogurtProducer]

Here is an updated projection for 2024 and beyond with Pascal maxed (even if traded presumably we will be taking back a lot of salary), 135 million contract for IQ and no Gary. Haven't had time to really go over with fine tooth comb.

In theory if we traded Siakam/Schroder for CP3/Kuminga/GP2/Moody, what would our cap space be before signing IQ with his cap hold and just assuming we bring back GTJ on like 15M or something? Would we have the ability to chase a FA if we deny CP3s option?

At most I believe the cap space would be slightly more than the non-taxpayer MLE ($13M). The issue is GTJ's caphold is $29M, which negates any space available from CP3's non-guaranteed $30M. If you renounced GTJ you'd have something to potentially work with.

Yeah or re-sign him first. If you re-sign him to a mid teens deal or something first

[bluerap23]

In theory if we traded Siakam/Schroder for CP3/Kuminga/GP2/Moody, what would our cap space be before signing IQ with his cap hold and just assuming we bring back GTJ on like 15M or something? Would we have the ability to chase a FA if we deny CP3s option?

At most I believe the cap space would be slightly more than the non-taxpayer MLE ($13M). The issue is GTJ's caphold is $29M, which negates any space available from CP3's non-guaranteed $30M. If you renounced GTJ you'd have something to potentially work with.

Yeah or re-sign him first. If you re-sign him to a mid teens deal or something first

Depends. GP2 has a player option so depends if he picks it up. If we were going to make this deal I probably would not want GP2 because of that. There are interesting things we could do with the CP contract. This deal would create 44million in space under the tax. Theoretically we could extend GTJ and trade CP contract to acquire another player because his contract can be cut before June 28. So any team wanting to shed salary will view that as a pretty big get out of jail card, especially with the new CBA rules really stepping up next year.