Knicks sign Isaiah Hartenstein to 2 year/$16 M contract

[Zenzibar]

Stop the drama about Mitch and iHart, just enjoy the dam winning streak.

Not happy if there's no drama hey? Dam drama queens:

[knicks94]

Can we just enjoying the moment with this guy instead of worrying about where he is going to be playing next season?

[NiceLikeChrist]

Stop it with the trade Mitch talk, iHart has never shown this type of skills before this year, less we forget.

Why can't we just fkn have the best center tandem in the NBA? Let's see if we can get to the ECF during Mitch's and iHart's contract.

Dam Knicks fans

We can't afford to spend $30 million a season on 2 centers, it's going to be one or the other. You pick the one that stays healthy.

Why not? Keeping both won't put us into the super-tax this summer, and we're hitting it next summer when Brunson & Randle get new deals whether we keep Mitch or not

Only argument I see to move Mitch is if he's definitely out for the year, and our FO really wants to go for it this year without spending the ammo we'll need if a top 10 guy becomes available. Then there's a case for swapping Mitch for someone like Gafford...who's not as good as Mitch, but is healthy and a little cheaper.

But the money is there to keep them both past this season.

How can we pay both ihart and Mitch next season? We have to pay OG as well who isn’t cheap. What contract are you expecting ihart to get? Some bum team is gonna throw the brinks truck at ihart this summer based off what he’s doing right now

[Galou]

The drama never ends with you miserable Knicks fans mane

It's always something. Sheesh

Can we worry about those things in the off season?
Yall getting a little ahead of yaselfs

The time is now baby.

I do see the light tho frfr.

We close baby

Knicks going 2 the the Promised land mane

[stuporman]

This needs to be here, too.

Top 10 teams in each conference center rotations costs(aprx)
East
Celtics : KP($36) and Horford($10) cost $46mil
Bucks : Lopez($25) and Portis($11) cost $36mil
Sixers : Embiid($47) and Reed($7) cost $54mil
Knicks : Mitch($15) and iHart($9) cost $24mil
Heat : Bam($32) and Bryant($2) cost $34mil
Pacers : Turner($20) and Jackson($2) cost $22mil
Magic : Carter($13) Goga ($2) and Mo Wagner($8) cost $24mil
Cavs : Allen($20) and Mobley($8) cost $28mil
Nets : Claxon($9) and Sharp($2) cost $11mil
Hawks : Capela($20) and Okongwu($8) cost $28mil
West
Wolves : Gobert($41) and Reid($12) cost $53mil
Thunder : Chet($10) and Bertans?($17) cost $27mil
Nuggets ; Jokic($47) and Jordan($2) cost $49mil
Clippers : Zubac ($10) and Plumlee($5) cost $15mil
Kings : Sabonis($30) McGee($2) and Len($2) cost $34mil
Pelicans : Jonas($15) and Zeller($2) cost $17mil
Mavs : Lively($4) Powel($4) and Kleiber($11) cost $19mil
Rockets : Sengun($3) and Landale?($8) cost $11mil
Suns : Nurkic($16) Eubanks($2) and Metu($2) cost $20mil
Lakers : Davis($40) and Hayes($2) cost $42mil

There are a few anomalies in there and which some are ready to change with new contracts to be less cap friendly

The Knicks have 2 high impact quality starting centers for the price of one and even if they max iHart with every incentive they can to keep him they still have one of the more reasonably priced and effective starting center duos in the league. In the next two seasons Mitch goes down to $14/$12 last two years respectively. Give iHart $16 to start and then up it's still middle of the pack cost and stacked with 2 starting caliber players, both have shown to be able to change the game with their play.

Pay the man!!!

Even if you hate Mitch you can't deny the idea of him as the off the bench blockness monster in support of a blockenstein monster gives the Knicks one of the scariest center duos in the league.

[TrueWarrior]

This needs to be here, too.

Top 10 teams in each conference center rotations costs(aprx)
East
Celtics : KP($36) and Horford($10) cost $46mil
Bucks : Lopez($25) and Portis($11) cost $36mil
Sixers : Embiid($47) and Reed($7) cost $54mil
Knicks : Mitch($15) and iHart($9) cost $24mil
Heat : Bam($32) and Bryant($2) cost $34mil
Pacers : Turner($20) and Jackson($2) cost $22mil
Magic : Carter($13) Goga ($2) and Mo Wagner($8) cost $24mil
Cavs : Allen($20) and Mobley($8) cost $28mil
Nets : Claxon($9) and Sharp($2) cost $11mil
Hawks : Capela($20) and Okongwu($8) cost $28mil
West
Wolves : Gobert($41) and Reid($12) cost $53mil
Thunder : Chet($10) and Bertans?($17) cost $27mil
Nuggets ; Jokic($47) and Jordan($2) cost $49mil
Clippers : Zubac ($10) and Plumlee($5) cost $15mil
Kings : Sabonis($30) McGee($2) and Len($2) cost $34mil
Pelicans : Jonas($15) and Zeller($2) cost $17mil
Mavs : Lively($4) Powel($4) and Kleiber($11) cost $19mil
Rockets : Sengun($3) and Landale?($8) cost $11mil
Suns : Nurkic($16) Eubanks($2) and Metu($2) cost $20mil
Lakers : Davis($40) and Hayes($2) cost $42mil

There are a few anomalies in there and which some are ready to change with new contracts to be less cap friendly

The Knicks have 2 high impact quality starting centers for the price of one and even if they max iHart with every incentive they can to keep him they still have one of the more reasonably priced and effective starting center duos in the league. In the next two seasons Mitch goes down to $14/$12 last two years respectively. Give iHart $16 to start and then up it's still middle of the pack cost and stacked with 2 starting caliber players, both have shown to be able to change the game with their play.

Pay the man!!!

Even if you hate Mitch you can't deny the idea of him as the off the bench blockness monster in support of a blockenstein monster gives the Knicks one of the scariest center duos in the league.

Looking at your list, most teams do not have expensive backup centers at all though. If they do, they’re usually able to play the 4 as well for more versatility (Portis, Horford, Reid, Okongwu). Most of the money is tied up in the starters. The higher paid starters are All Stars and the cheaper starters are either on rookie contracts or due for a raise soon.

Mitch or Isaiah, whoever comes off the bench, would be the highest paid backup in the league, and we’d be paying 30+ million a year on 2 strict centers who cant play together (until Isaiah starts wetting threes). That’s not that much money total and could be worth it since they’re both very good, but doesnt seem like the best use of cap resources or a situation Mitch and Isaiah would be cool with forever.

We’re seeing Isaiah blossom with increased minutes. He has more room to develop compared to Mitch, who hasnt improved much at all and doesnt look like he ever will, so we need to nurture Isaiah’s game primarily with at least 28-30 mpg to see where this goes. Would Mitch be okay with playing 18-20 mpg off the bench then? I dont think he would. Basically he and Isaiah would need to switch roles and minutes.

Why would Isaiah re-sign just to play 20 mpg again when he can start and get paid elsewhere, unless he loves it here that much though? Nobody is asking this question. He’s got the taste of starting now and knows he can do it, so you cant put the genie back in the bottle. Sh*t has changed.

There’s some cope and denial going on when it comes to Mitch. Hes the longest tenured Knick, our draft pick second round steal, a great defender/rebounder himself, and a likable fella but I highly doubt we’re going to keep him and Isaiah. They’re both starter quality and just hitting their primes, so it’s not fair to them.

If they’re okay with splitting minutes down the middle then alright, but we only need a backup 5 to give us a good 10-15 mpg off the bench. Thibs is even using Julius at the 5 now with OG. The fact is picking up OG and Isaiah breaking out has made Mitch more expendable. We should trade him for a more durable and versatile forward/big if this keeps up.

[stuporman]

This needs to be here, too.

Top 10 teams in each conference center rotations costs(aprx)
East
Celtics : KP($36) and Horford($10) cost $46mil
Bucks : Lopez($25) and Portis($11) cost $36mil
Sixers : Embiid($47) and Reed($7) cost $54mil
Knicks : Mitch($15) and iHart($9) cost $24mil
Heat : Bam($32) and Bryant($2) cost $34mil
Pacers : Turner($20) and Jackson($2) cost $22mil
Magic : Carter($13) Goga ($2) and Mo Wagner($8) cost $24mil
Cavs : Allen($20) and Mobley($8) cost $28mil
Nets : Claxon($9) and Sharp($2) cost $11mil
Hawks : Capela($20) and Okongwu($8) cost $28mil
West
Wolves : Gobert($41) and Reid($12) cost $53mil
Thunder : Chet($10) and Bertans?($17) cost $27mil
Nuggets ; Jokic($47) and Jordan($2) cost $49mil
Clippers : Zubac ($10) and Plumlee($5) cost $15mil
Kings : Sabonis($30) McGee($2) and Len($2) cost $34mil
Pelicans : Jonas($15) and Zeller($2) cost $17mil
Mavs : Lively($4) Powel($4) and Kleiber($11) cost $19mil
Rockets : Sengun($3) and Landale?($8) cost $11mil
Suns : Nurkic($16) Eubanks($2) and Metu($2) cost $20mil
Lakers : Davis($40) and Hayes($2) cost $42mil

There are a few anomalies in there and which some are ready to change with new contracts to be less cap friendly

The Knicks have 2 high impact quality starting centers for the price of one and even if they max iHart with every incentive they can to keep him they still have one of the more reasonably priced and effective starting center duos in the league. In the next two seasons Mitch goes down to $14/$12 last two years respectively. Give iHart $16 to start and then up it's still middle of the pack cost and stacked with 2 starting caliber players, both have shown to be able to change the game with their play.

Pay the man!!!

Even if you hate Mitch you can't deny the idea of him as the off the bench blockness monster in support of a blockenstein monster gives the Knicks one of the scariest center duos in the league.

Looking at your list, most teams do not have expensive backup centers at all though. If they do, they’re usually able to play the 4 as well for more versatility (Portis, Horford, Reid, Okongwu). Most of the money is tied up in the starters. The cheaper starters are either on rookie contracts or due for a raise soon.

Mitch or Isaiah, whoever comes off the bench, would be the highest paid backup in the league, and we’d be paying 30+ million a year on 2 strict centers who cant play together (until Isaiah starts wetting threes). That’s not that much money total and could be worth it since they’re both very good, but doesnt seem like the best use of cap resources or a situation Mitch and Isaiah would be cool with forever.

We’re seeing Isaiah blossom with increased minutes. He has more room to develop compared to Mitch, who hasnt improved much at all and doesnt look like he ever will, so we need to nurture Isaiah’s game primarily with at least 28-30 mpg to see where this goes. Would Mitch be okay with playing 18-20 mpg off the bench then? I dont think he would. Basically he and Isaiah would need to switch roles and minutes.

Why would Isaiah re-sign just to play 20 mpg again when he can start and get paid elsewhere, unless he loves it here that much? Nobody is asking this question. He’s got the taste of starting now and knows he can do it.

There’s some cope and denial going on when it comes to Mitch. Hes the longest tenured Knick, our draft pick second round steal, a great defender/rebounder himself, and a likable fella but I highly doubt we’re going to keep him and Isaiah. They’re both starter quality and just hitting their primes, so it’s not fair to them.

If they’re okay with splitting minutes down the middle then alright, but we only need a backup 5 to give us a good 10-15 mpg off the bench. Thibs is even using Julius at the 5 now with OG. The fact is picking up OG and Isaiah breaking out has made Mitch more expendable. We should trade him for a more versatile forward/big if Isaiah keeps this up.

So many other teams are screwed if their starter goes down, the Knicks have proven that the two headed monster with two starting quality players which fill the role required is a strength of theirs. That's why cost shouldn't be viewed individually but collectively with the benefit of flexibility.

These two guys are such good friends, I don't think there would be any friction about who started and who backed up. Plus Mitch will be coming back from an injury and like last time it will probably take half a year for him to get back to where he left off.

There's no reason for him to complain about coming off the bench while recovering and iHart starts, Mitch can come in and wreak havoc for 20 mins a game. He's paid, he loves being in NY and he's great friends with iHart, it just seems like a rare opportunity for a special combination of guys.

I see it is a huge plus having these two guys because either can play starter minutes. The Knicks would be prepared for injury, foul troubles, match up adjustments with one being more defensive oriented and the other more offensive oriented but both help on both ends.

Plus Mitch eventually becomes a nice trade piece as he comes back healthy and turns into an expiring contract. While, iHart brings more continuity and dependability over the next 4 years if resigned. It's a very unique approach, but I think it's a great chance to settle the center spot for years.

[Jalen Bluntson]

This needs to be here, too.

Top 10 teams in each conference center rotations costs(aprx)
East
Celtics : KP($36) and Horford($10) cost $46mil
Bucks : Lopez($25) and Portis($11) cost $36mil
Sixers : Embiid($47) and Reed($7) cost $54mil
Knicks : Mitch($15) and iHart($9) cost $24mil
Heat : Bam($32) and Bryant($2) cost $34mil
Pacers : Turner($20) and Jackson($2) cost $22mil
Magic : Carter($13) Goga ($2) and Mo Wagner($8) cost $24mil
Cavs : Allen($20) and Mobley($8) cost $28mil
Nets : Claxon($9) and Sharp($2) cost $11mil
Hawks : Capela($20) and Okongwu($8) cost $28mil
West
Wolves : Gobert($41) and Reid($12) cost $53mil
Thunder : Chet($10) and Bertans?($17) cost $27mil
Nuggets ; Jokic($47) and Jordan($2) cost $49mil
Clippers : Zubac ($10) and Plumlee($5) cost $15mil
Kings : Sabonis($30) McGee($2) and Len($2) cost $34mil
Pelicans : Jonas($15) and Zeller($2) cost $17mil
Mavs : Lively($4) Powel($4) and Kleiber($11) cost $19mil
Rockets : Sengun($3) and Landale?($8) cost $11mil
Suns : Nurkic($16) Eubanks($2) and Metu($2) cost $20mil
Lakers : Davis($40) and Hayes($2) cost $42mil

There are a few anomalies in there and which some are ready to change with new contracts to be less cap friendly

The Knicks have 2 high impact quality starting centers for the price of one and even if they max iHart with every incentive they can to keep him they still have one of the more reasonably priced and effective starting center duos in the league. In the next two seasons Mitch goes down to $14/$12 last two years respectively. Give iHart $16 to start and then up it's still middle of the pack cost and stacked with 2 starting caliber players, both have shown to be able to change the game with their play.

Pay the man!!!

Even if you hate Mitch you can't deny the idea of him as the off the bench blockness monster in support of a blockenstein monster gives the Knicks one of the scariest center duos in the league.

Looking at your list, most teams do not have expensive backup centers at all though. If they do, they’re usually able to play the 4 as well for more versatility (Portis, Horford, Reid, Okongwu). Most of the money is tied up in the starters. The cheaper starters are either on rookie contracts or due for a raise soon.

Mitch or Isaiah, whoever comes off the bench, would be the highest paid backup in the league, and we’d be paying 30+ million a year on 2 strict centers who cant play together (until Isaiah starts wetting threes). That’s not that much money total and could be worth it since they’re both very good, but doesnt seem like the best use of cap resources or a situation Mitch and Isaiah would be cool with forever.

We’re seeing Isaiah blossom with increased minutes. He has more room to develop compared to Mitch, who hasnt improved much at all and doesnt look like he ever will, so we need to nurture Isaiah’s game primarily with at least 28-30 mpg to see where this goes. Would Mitch be okay with playing 18-20 mpg off the bench then? I dont think he would. Basically he and Isaiah would need to switch roles and minutes.

Why would Isaiah re-sign just to play 20 mpg again when he can start and get paid elsewhere, unless he loves it here that much? Nobody is asking this question. He’s got the taste of starting now and knows he can do it.

There’s some cope and denial going on when it comes to Mitch. Hes the longest tenured Knick, our draft pick second round steal, a great defender/rebounder himself, and a likable fella but I highly doubt we’re going to keep him and Isaiah. They’re both starter quality and just hitting their primes, so it’s not fair to them.

If they’re okay with splitting minutes down the middle then alright, but we only need a backup 5 to give us a good 10-15 mpg off the bench. Thibs is even using Julius at the 5 now with OG. The fact is picking up OG and Isaiah breaking out has made Mitch more expendable. We should trade him for a more versatile forward/big if Isaiah keeps this up.

So many other teams are screwed if their starter goes down, the Knicks have proven that the two headed monster with two starting quality players which fill the role required is a strength of theirs. That's why cost shouldn't be viewed individually but collectively with the benefit of flexibility.

These two guys are such good friends, I don't think there would be any friction about who started and who backed up. Plus Mitch will be coming back from an injury and like last time it will probably take half a year for him to get back to where he left off.

There's no reason for him to complain about coming off the bench while recovering and iHart starts, Mitch can come in and wreak havoc for 20 mins a game. He's paid, he loves being in NY and he's great friends with iHart, it just seems like a rare opportunity for a special combination of guys.

I see it is a huge plus having these two guys because either can play starter minutes. The Knicks would be prepared for injury, foul troubles, match up adjustments with one being more defensive oriented and the other more offensive oriented but both help on both ends.

Plus Mitch eventually becomes a nice trade piece as he comes back healthy and turns into an expiring contract. While, iHart brings more continuity and dependability over the next 4 years if resigned. It's a very unique approach, but I think it's a great chance to settle the center spot for years.

I'm all about Mitch but his lack of versatility on offense is a concern. His contract is pretty much on point for his health. It gets worse for him as the years ago by! OHHHH! Hi sham.

Seriously though. Keep iHart at all costs.

[HopelessKnick]

So many other teams are screwed if their starter goes down, the Knicks have proven that the two headed monster with two starting quality players which fill the role required is a strength of theirs. That's why cost shouldn't be viewed individually but collectively with the benefit of flexibility.

These two guys are such good friends, I don't think there would be any friction about who started and who backed up. Plus Mitch will be coming back from an injury and like last time it will probably take half a year for him to get back to where he left off.

There's no reason for him to complain about coming off the bench while recovering and iHart starts, Mitch can come in and wreak havoc for 20 mins a game. He's paid, he loves being in NY and he's great friends with iHart, it just seems like a rare opportunity for a special combination of guys.

I see it is a huge plus having these two guys because either can play starter minutes. The Knicks would be prepared for injury, foul troubles, match up adjustments with one being more defensive oriented and the other more offensive oriented but both help on both ends.

Plus Mitch eventually becomes a nice trade piece as he comes back healthy and turns into an expiring contract. While, iHart brings more continuity and dependability over the next 4 years if resigned. It's a very unique approach, but I think it's a great chance to settle the center spot for years.

Even going forward , I don't think there should be any scenario where Mitch plays 30+ minutes anymore....and I'm not talking about his level of play...just in general management of his health. I think Mitch is someone that you have to put on a strict minutes restriction if you want to keep him healthy for the future. If management can keep Hartenstein around, I would envision them splitting minutes at Center or so. I would also keep Mitch out of back to backs generally or severaly limit his minutes there.

Needless to say we have to do everything in our power to keep Hartenstein. He has been spectacular. I'm also hopeful we'll see Mitch come back this season in a limited role...like with a 15-18 minute restriction for the playoffs or so. Would make us really really dangerous.

[stuporman]

The Knicks resign iHart, keep Mitch and you will like it!!!

[NiceLikeChrist]

I don’t mind keeping both but Mitch has always had questionable mood swings and has been prone to pouting here and there

I’m not sure how well he’ll buy into a bench roll. The fact that ihart can at least hit that little 8-10 ft push shot and is a good passer and looks to make plays already makes him much more valuable as a starter compared to Mitch. He elevates our offense more than Mitch elevates our defense. This is considering ihart continues at this level defensively of course.

[HopelessKnick]

I don’t mind keeping both but Mitch has always had questionable mood swings and has been prone to pouting here and there

I’m not sure how well he’ll buy into a bench roll. The fact that ihart can at least hit that little 8-10 ft push shot and is a good passer and looks to make plays already makes him much more valuable as a starter compared to Mitch. He elevates our offense more than Mitch elevates our defense. This is considering ihart continues at this level defensively of course.

I'm tending to think the same. I think in today's NBA, Mitch is more a 20-22 minute backup guy. In today's NBA it is just difficult to not hurt your team if you have close to zero offensive ability. I've actually been advocating for a longer time to get a stretch 4/5 in here. If we get someone that can shoot a little while still defending and rebounding well, our frontcourt would be much more well-rounded.

[prophet_of_rage]

We have to see if we can keep Hartenstein before we talk trading Mitch. We can sign him to 14 million a year max. Can he get more than that on the open market?

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[gavran]

]

How can we pay both ihart and Mitch next season?

The good thing is that you don't have to. Why are people so concerned about Dolan's money?

[HopelessKnick]

We have to see if we can keep Hartenstein before we talk trading Mitch. We can sign him to 14 million a year max. Can he get more than that on the open market?

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Possibly yes, there are only a 7-8 teams with salary cap space to offer Hart more.

[sol537]

Trade for Olynyk.

Trade for Brogdon.

Win the '24 Title.

[Fat Kat]

We have to see if we can keep Hartenstein before we talk trading Mitch. We can sign him to 14 million a year max. Can he get more than that on the open market?

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Possibly yes, there are only a 7-8 teams with salary cap space to offer Hart more.

Yep. And the teams that can afford him might not need him.

[cgf]

We can't afford to spend $30 million a season on 2 centers, it's going to be one or the other. You pick the one that stays healthy.

Why not? Keeping both won't put us into the super-tax this summer, and we're hitting it next summer when Brunson & Randle get new deals whether we keep Mitch or not

Only argument I see to move Mitch is if he's definitely out for the year, and our FO really wants to go for it this year without spending the ammo we'll need if a top 10 guy becomes available. Then there's a case for swapping Mitch for someone like Gafford...who's not as good as Mitch, but is healthy and a little cheaper.

But the money is there to keep them both past this season.

How can we pay both ihart and Mitch next season? We have to pay OG as well who isn’t cheap. What contract are you expecting ihart to get? Some bum team is gonna throw the brinks truck at ihart this summer based off what he’s doing right now

We have ~75M under the 2nd apron this summer. A deal averaging 40M for OG would start under 35M. The most we can re-sign Hart for is a deal starting around 14.5M. So even if we flip Fournier's expiring for someone who makes a little bit more next season, we can afford to keep IH if he wants to stay.

[Jeffrey]

This needs to be here, too.

Top 10 teams in each conference center rotations costs(aprx)
East
Celtics : KP($36) and Horford($10) cost $46mil
Bucks : Lopez($25) and Portis($11) cost $36mil
Sixers : Embiid($47) and Reed($7) cost $54mil
Knicks : Mitch($15) and iHart($9) cost $24mil
Heat : Bam($32) and Bryant($2) cost $34mil
Pacers : Turner($20) and Jackson($2) cost $22mil
Magic : Carter($13) Goga ($2) and Mo Wagner($8) cost $24mil
Cavs : Allen($20) and Mobley($8) cost $28mil
Nets : Claxon($9) and Sharp($2) cost $11mil
Hawks : Capela($20) and Okongwu($8) cost $28mil
West
Wolves : Gobert($41) and Reid($12) cost $53mil
Thunder : Chet($10) and Bertans?($17) cost $27mil
Nuggets ; Jokic($47) and Jordan($2) cost $49mil
Clippers : Zubac ($10) and Plumlee($5) cost $15mil
Kings : Sabonis($30) McGee($2) and Len($2) cost $34mil
Pelicans : Jonas($15) and Zeller($2) cost $17mil
Mavs : Lively($4) Powel($4) and Kleiber($11) cost $19mil
Rockets : Sengun($3) and Landale?($8) cost $11mil
Suns : Nurkic($16) Eubanks($2) and Metu($2) cost $20mil
Lakers : Davis($40) and Hayes($2) cost $42mil

There are a few anomalies in there and which some are ready to change with new contracts to be less cap friendly

The Knicks have 2 high impact quality starting centers for the price of one and even if they max iHart with every incentive they can to keep him they still have one of the more reasonably priced and effective starting center duos in the league. In the next two seasons Mitch goes down to $14/$12 last two years respectively. Give iHart $16 to start and then up it's still middle of the pack cost and stacked with 2 starting caliber players, both have shown to be able to change the game with their play.

Pay the man!!!

Even if you hate Mitch you can't deny the idea of him as the off the bench blockness monster in support of a blockenstein monster gives the Knicks one of the scariest center duos in the league.

Looking at your list, most teams do not have expensive backup centers at all though. If they do, they’re usually able to play the 4 as well for more versatility (Portis, Horford, Reid, Okongwu). Most of the money is tied up in the starters. The higher paid starters are All Stars and the cheaper starters are either on rookie contracts or due for a raise soon.

Mitch or Isaiah, whoever comes off the bench, would be the highest paid backup in the league, and we’d be paying 30+ million a year on 2 strict centers who cant play together (until Isaiah starts wetting threes). That’s not that much money total and could be worth it since they’re both very good, but doesnt seem like the best use of cap resources or a situation Mitch and Isaiah would be cool with forever.

We’re seeing Isaiah blossom with increased minutes. He has more room to develop compared to Mitch, who hasnt improved much at all and doesnt look like he ever will, so we need to nurture Isaiah’s game primarily with at least 28-30 mpg to see where this goes. Would Mitch be okay with playing 18-20 mpg off the bench then? I dont think he would. Basically he and Isaiah would need to switch roles and minutes.

Why would Isaiah re-sign just to play 20 mpg again when he can start and get paid elsewhere, unless he loves it here that much though? Nobody is asking this question. He’s got the taste of starting now and knows he can do it, so you cant put the genie back in the bottle. Sh*t has changed.

There’s some cope and denial going on when it comes to Mitch. Hes the longest tenured Knick, our draft pick second round steal, a great defender/rebounder himself, and a likable fella but I highly doubt we’re going to keep him and Isaiah. They’re both starter quality and just hitting their primes, so it’s not fair to them.

If they’re okay with splitting minutes down the middle then alright, but we only need a backup 5 to give us a good 10-15 mpg off the bench. Thibs is even using Julius at the 5 now with OG. The fact is picking up OG and Isaiah breaking out has made Mitch more expendable. We should trade him for a more durable and versatile forward/big if this keeps up.

Its a good list that he provided and gives a perspective to the league. If iHart is the starting center and Mitch is the backup. We re-sign him starting 15-16m.

Having Josh Hart and Mitch Robinson making 33 million dollars of backup bench that doesn't really provide a lot of offensive punch. Usually you want someone who can score off that bench.

[Tron Carter]

I also feel like iHart’s durability is getting underrated. Played all 82 last season, hasn't missed a game this season. And since the trade he's been playing 37.6 minutes per game, most on the team. He's never really looked tired either, despite constantly moving on defense. He’s 7th in the NBA in distance traveled per minute as a Center.

He's played 37.6 MPG and the only other center to play 37+ MPG in a 4 game stretch this season was Sabonis, though both his stretches included OT games. Not to dunk on Mitch since I really do like him, but the most he's played in a 4 game span is 34.5 MPG.