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Post#81 » by Mr B » Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:13 pm

righterwriter wrote:I've been hearing some podcasters/media talking about coach of the year and who deserves it this year. It seems like a BS award which is based totally on what narrative is most interesting to the writers rather than about who is simply the best coach.

IMO, Shanahan easily has the best schemes, play calls, and game plans. He and his staff have coached up this team-- with a lot of key players being mid-round or late-round picks-- to become elite. Why should he not be given the award when he clearly has the team performing the best?

Looking at winners of past COY awards you have guys like Brian Daboll, Kevin Stefanski, Matt Nagy, Jason Garrett, Ron Rivera... it seems seriously out of touch with what coach actually proves he is the best.

Should the COY of the year award always go to the coach with the most talent on his team? Or should it go to a coach who did the most with less?

Personally I look at what DeMeco Ryans is doing in Houston and there’s no way that award should go to anyone else. They were expected to be challenging for the top pick again this year and instead there’s a chance they finish with 10 wins and winners of the NFC South.
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Post#82 » by righterwriter » Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:51 pm

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righterwriter wrote:I've been hearing some podcasters/media talking about coach of the year and who deserves it this year. It seems like a BS award which is based totally on what narrative is most interesting to the writers rather than about who is simply the best coach.

IMO, Shanahan easily has the best schemes, play calls, and game plans. He and his staff have coached up this team-- with a lot of key players being mid-round or late-round picks-- to become elite. Why should he not be given the award when he clearly has the team performing the best?

Looking at winners of past COY awards you have guys like Brian Daboll, Kevin Stefanski, Matt Nagy, Jason Garrett, Ron Rivera... it seems seriously out of touch with what coach actually proves he is the best.

Should the COY of the year award always go to the coach with the most talent on his team? Or should it go to a coach who did the most with less?

Personally I look at what DeMeco Ryans is doing in Houston and there’s no way that award should go to anyone else. They were expected to be challenging for the top pick again this year and instead there’s a chance they finish with 10 wins and winners of the NFC South.


It should go to the guy who is the best coach. Shanahan has been so far ahead with his playcalling and schemes and developing talent (both with players and coaches), he's clearly elite. Why not give him the award for being the most innovative and most successful coach?

Do we really think that Demeco-- the guy who worked under Shanahan and learned everything under him the last several years-- deserves it over his mentor?
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Post#83 » by El Turco » Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:48 pm

Shanahan should have gotten it last year, his ability to manage thru injury crises every year is taken for granted. He was a half away from the super bowl with a third/forth string 7th round rookie quarterback. Luckily this year has been relatively easier than others.

And if having a great team prevents him from winning the COY, he should be shoe-in for the Executive of the year :)
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Post#84 » by wco81 » Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:00 pm

DGAF about all these individual awards.

There's only one prize that matters and that's the one that's eluded Shanahan all his career, squandering two double-digit leads in the fourth quarter of the SB.

If anything, Purdy probably has saved Shanahan and Lynch from being on the hot seat right now because that Trey Lance trade as well as so many round 1-3 picks squandered has kept the team from winning it all.

It may still keep the team from winning the SB.

He deserves credit though, they pounced on CMC when he became available (and Lynch also grabbed Jimmy G. at a time when their QB situation was a mess) and he was smart enough to recognize right away what he had in Purdy and shift gears away from Lance, though it was great fortune, because it could have cost him his job.
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Post#85 » by Mr B » Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:37 pm

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righterwriter wrote:I've been hearing some podcasters/media talking about coach of the year and who deserves it this year. It seems like a BS award which is based totally on what narrative is most interesting to the writers rather than about who is simply the best coach.

IMO, Shanahan easily has the best schemes, play calls, and game plans. He and his staff have coached up this team-- with a lot of key players being mid-round or late-round picks-- to become elite. Why should he not be given the award when he clearly has the team performing the best?

Looking at winners of past COY awards you have guys like Brian Daboll, Kevin Stefanski, Matt Nagy, Jason Garrett, Ron Rivera... it seems seriously out of touch with what coach actually proves he is the best.

Should the COY of the year award always go to the coach with the most talent on his team? Or should it go to a coach who did the most with less?

Personally I look at what DeMeco Ryans is doing in Houston and there’s no way that award should go to anyone else. They were expected to be challenging for the top pick again this year and instead there’s a chance they finish with 10 wins and winners of the NFC South.


It should go to the guy who is the best coach. Shanahan has been so far ahead with his playcalling and schemes and developing talent (both with players and coaches), he's clearly elite. Why not give him the award for being the most innovative and most successful coach?

Do we really think that Demeco-- the guy who worked under Shanahan and learned everything under him the last several years-- deserves it over his mentor?

Yes, I do. There are probably 20 other coaches in the NFL that could have the Niners where they are now with the same talent. There aren’t 20 coaches in the NFL though that could have the Texans where they are right now. Also COY is it a legacy award. It’s based on this year. And this year Ryan’s is doing the best job with the talent he has (in my opinion).
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Post#86 » by Mr B » Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:38 pm

El Turco wrote:Shanahan should have gotten it last year, his ability to manage thru injury crises every year is taken for granted. He was a half away from the super bowl with a third/forth string 7th round rookie quarterback. Luckily this year has been relatively easier than others.

And if having a great team prevents him from winning the COY, he should be shoe-in for the Executive of the year :)

You mean over John Lynch?
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Post#87 » by El Turco » Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:54 pm

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El Turco wrote:Shanahan should have gotten it last year, his ability to manage thru injury crises every year is taken for granted. He was a half away from the super bowl with a third/forth string 7th round rookie quarterback. Luckily this year has been relatively easier than others.

And if having a great team prevents him from winning the COY, he should be shoe-in for the Executive of the year :)

You mean over John Lynch?


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Post#88 » by El Turco » Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:57 pm

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Mr B wrote:Should the COY of the year award always go to the coach with the most talent on his team? Or should it go to a coach who did the most with less?

Personally I look at what DeMeco Ryans is doing in Houston and there’s no way that award should go to anyone else. They were expected to be challenging for the top pick again this year and instead there’s a chance they finish with 10 wins and winners of the NFC South.


It should go to the guy who is the best coach. Shanahan has been so far ahead with his playcalling and schemes and developing talent (both with players and coaches), he's clearly elite. Why not give him the award for being the most innovative and most successful coach?

Do we really think that Demeco-- the guy who worked under Shanahan and learned everything under him the last several years-- deserves it over his mentor?

Yes, I do. There are probably 20 other coaches in the NFL that could have the Niners where they are now with the same talent. There aren’t 20 coaches in the NFL though that could have the Texans where they are right now. Also COY is it a legacy award. It’s based on this year. And this year Ryan’s is doing the best job with the talent he has (in my opinion).


Lol try finding 20 coaches in NFL history who could have developed Purdy into this current version.
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Post#89 » by El Turco » Sun Jan 7, 2024 10:28 pm

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Post#90 » by Mr B » Sun Jan 7, 2024 10:36 pm

El Turco wrote:
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It should go to the guy who is the best coach. Shanahan has been so far ahead with his playcalling and schemes and developing talent (both with players and coaches), he's clearly elite. Why not give him the award for being the most innovative and most successful coach?

Do we really think that Demeco-- the guy who worked under Shanahan and learned everything under him the last several years-- deserves it over his mentor?

Yes, I do. There are probably 20 other coaches in the NFL that could have the Niners where they are now with the same talent. There aren’t 20 coaches in the NFL though that could have the Texans where they are right now. Also COY is it a legacy award. It’s based on this year. And this year Ryan’s is doing the best job with the talent he has (in my opinion).


Lol try finding 20 coaches in NFL history who could have developed Purdy into this current version.

Well Purdy is a system QB so I would say they could get Purdy to drive the bus.
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Post#91 » by El Turco » Sun Jan 7, 2024 10:37 pm

Every quarterback in nfl is a system quarterback, just Purdy does it better than most.
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Post#92 » by Mr B » Sun Jan 7, 2024 10:39 pm

El Turco wrote:Every quarterback in nfl is a system quarterback, just Purdy does it better than most.

Lamar Jackson isn’t a system QB.
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Post#93 » by El Turco » Sun Jan 7, 2024 10:47 pm

Sure he is, he is probably the most system quarterback of it all.
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Post#94 » by GoRapstheoriginal » Sun Jan 7, 2024 11:28 pm

Will Raiders keep AP or sign a new coach? Would love some outside opinions.

Or does it depend if we win convincingly over the Broncos today?
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Post#95 » by wembambamya » Sun Jan 7, 2024 11:29 pm

I dont think he has done that much but I'd be lying if I said I watched Raiders regularly
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Post#96 » by QB_Eagles » Mon Jan 8, 2024 12:44 am

GoRapstheoriginal wrote:Will Raiders keep AP or sign a new coach? Would love some outside opinions.

Or does it depend if we win convincingly over the Broncos today?

He probably will be because Mark Davis doesn't have that much liquid cash.
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Post#98 » by RaoulDuke79 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 12:08 am

https://football.realgm.com/wiretap/50397/Pete-Carroll-Plans-To-Return-To-Seahawks-For-15th-Season

With speculation raised anew that he may retire, Seahawks coach Pete Carroll reiterated Monday that he intends to return in
2024 for what will be his 15th season in Seattle.

"I plan to be coaching this team," Carroll said on his Seattle Sports 710 AM radio show a day after the Seahawks' season ended with a win over the Arizona Cardinals, but no playoff berth. "I told you that I love these guys and that's what I would like to be doing and see how far I can go. I'm not worn out. I'm not tired. I'm not any of that stuff. I need to do a better job and I need to help my coaches more and we need to do a better job of coaching, and there's a lot of area for improvement."


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Post#99 » by DOT » Tue Jan 9, 2024 1:53 pm

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Post#100 » by LAKESHOW » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:55 pm

Agree. The OC has no chemistry with the QB. WAY too predictable
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