2023-2024 Regular Season Game 36: Atlanta Hawks (14-20) at Orlando Magic (20-15) - 6pm

[zaymon]

There is no person on this board more bullish on Fultz than I am.

Watching his interview yesterday was painful and it made me feel very sympathetic toward him. There are serious issues going on and I don't know what they are. This is obviously an issue that is much deeper than playing basketball.

Which does not mean that TOS did not occur. He was seen by some of the world's experts, especially the ones he saw from LA. Both are nervous system issues, it would not surprise me if one made someone more susceptible to the other.

No one wants to have psychiatric diagnosis. Thats why some people go to neurologists, and sometimes neurologists prescribe psychiatric drugs becouse otherwise patients wouldnt take it. Its also more and more common that neurologists consult with psychiatrists on cases they couldnt diagnose in the past.
We are not helping Fultz becouse he shouldnt be trying to play professional sports right now. People with his problems should go to psychotherapy, propably take medication and lower the stress in their lives. I think you all can see how severe his symptoms are ? Are we going to pretend we dont see it like coaches do right now? Thats just acting like a coward.
We wont help him with his mental health, he wont help us win. Its just prolonging the inevitable.

You are incorrect about this.

There is no evidence of a psychiatric issue that I saw.

What I saw is a physical central nervous system issue like, for example, Turrets Syndrome.

You dont have to believe me but read about conversion disorder. Nothing is suggesting Turrets Syndrome.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Isaac should have been medically retired back in 2021

And lose out on guaranteed money, that’s crazy. If you had a job paying you millions and they are patient enough to wait for you, you would quit and say, no thank you? Especially when the team wasn’t good anyway?

[Audi]

I wrote it before but Fultz has symptoms which could be best descibed by Conversion disorder. Its rarely as obvious as in his case. We even know some of his background, and it all adds up. If he is not under psychiatric care its malpractice from the front office.
By extending him we are just delaying the time he gets professional help and playing professional sport under such pressure is making his symptoms more severe. I get that Weltman wants to prove he made a good trade and maybe even he thinks that he is helping Markelle but thats not true, he is just making things worse. Bad move by the front office, very short sighted. Dissapointing with all the assets they got.

Conversion disorder is a psychological disorder in which there are 4 requirements that all must be met for diagnosis. In Fultz's case, two of these are not met outright (1. that symptoms aren’t consistent with recognized medical conditions and 2. there's no other explanation for your symptoms, such as another medical condition or mental health issue).

So no, Fultz would not meet the required criteria for diagnosis of conversion disorder. He could certainly have underlying mental health issues unrelated to his basketball shooting form, but that's irrelevant speculation that could be applied to anyone.

[Optimus_Steel]

This Magic board can so bipolar. Franz misses a couple rare games and suddenly he is trade bait.

[AaronB]

No one wants to have psychiatric diagnosis. Thats why some people go to neurologists, and sometimes neurologists prescribe psychiatric drugs becouse otherwise patients wouldnt take it. Its also more and more common that neurologists consult with psychiatrists on cases they couldnt diagnose in the past.
We are not helping Fultz becouse he shouldnt be trying to play professional sports right now. People with his problems should go to psychotherapy, propably take medication and lower the stress in their lives. I think you all can see how severe his symptoms are ? Are we going to pretend we dont see it like coaches do right now? Thats just acting like a coward.
We wont help him with his mental health, he wont help us win. Its just prolonging the inevitable.

You are incorrect about this.

There is no evidence of a psychiatric issue that I saw.

What I saw is a physical central nervous system issue like, for example, Turrets Syndrome.

You dont have to believe me but read about conversion disorder. Nothing is suggesting Turrets Syndrome.

Read what I said before replying please.

I did not say he had Turrets. I repeat, I did not say he has Turrets. I repeat just so you understand clearly, I did not say he has Turrets.

But what I did say is that this is a physical issue with the central nervous system.

Who knows what it is, but clearly there is a physical issue with the CNS.

[ChosenSavior]

This Magic board can so bipolar. Franz misses a couple rare games and suddenly he is trade bait.

Definitely keeps it entertaining around here...

[AaronB]

I wrote it before but Fultz has symptoms which could be best descibed by Conversion disorder. Its rarely as obvious as in his case. We even know some of his background, and it all adds up. If he is not under psychiatric care its malpractice from the front office.
By extending him we are just delaying the time he gets professional help and playing professional sport under such pressure is making his symptoms more severe. I get that Weltman wants to prove he made a good trade and maybe even he thinks that he is helping Markelle but thats not true, he is just making things worse. Bad move by the front office, very short sighted. Dissapointing with all the assets they got.

Conversion disorder is a psychological disorder in which there are 4 requirements that all must be met for diagnosis. In Fultz's case, two of these are not met outright (1. that symptoms aren’t consistent with recognized medical conditions and 2. there's no other explanation for your symptoms, such as another medical condition or mental health issue).

So no, Fultz would not meet the required criteria for diagnosis of conversion disorder. He could certainly have underlying mental health issues unrelated to his basketball shooting form, but that's irrelevant speculation that could be applied to anyone.

Well said. I do not know the issue and will not speculate. I just know that when I watched him, I felt bad for him. Something is clearly going on in the Central Nervous System.

[Last Guardian]

I said it many times...if Paolo and Franz are going to have crazy high usage, there is no reason not to play Suggs at PG. Hes capable of making plays but he wouldn't have to do it all that much. He's light years ahead of AB for sure. Find a really good SG to pair with him.

Sucks for Fultz shot, I did love his handling and passes though.

[tooler]

I said it many times...if Paolo and Franz are going to have crazy high usage, there is no reason not to play Suggs at PG. Hes capable of making plays but he wouldn't have to do it all that much. He's light years ahead of AB for sure. Find a really good SG to pair with him.

I go back and forth on this. A good ball-handling guard would make everyone's life a lot easier and the offense more efficient. But pairing that with size and shooting is going to cost a lot of money, if a player like that is even available. You can't construct the perfect roster.

Whatever type they acquire, hopefully it's obvious to the front office about the need for another guard.

[Optimus_Steel]

I said it many times...if Paolo and Franz are going to have crazy high usage, there is no reason not to play Suggs at PG. Hes capable of making plays but he wouldn't have to do it all that much. He's light years ahead of AB for sure. Find a really good SG to pair with him.

Sucks for Fultz shot, I did love his handling and passes though.

Problem is that Suggs tends to do too much when he is the PG and although his handles have improved they are still not PG level.

[zaymon]

I wrote it before but Fultz has symptoms which could be best descibed by Conversion disorder. Its rarely as obvious as in his case. We even know some of his background, and it all adds up. If he is not under psychiatric care its malpractice from the front office.
By extending him we are just delaying the time he gets professional help and playing professional sport under such pressure is making his symptoms more severe. I get that Weltman wants to prove he made a good trade and maybe even he thinks that he is helping Markelle but thats not true, he is just making things worse. Bad move by the front office, very short sighted. Dissapointing with all the assets they got.

Conversion disorder is a psychological disorder in which there are 4 requirements that all must be met for diagnosis. In Fultz's case, two of these are not met outright (1. that symptoms aren’t consistent with recognized medical conditions and 2. there's no other explanation for your symptoms, such as another medical condition or mental health issue).

So no, Fultz would not meet the required criteria for diagnosis of conversion disorder. He could certainly have underlying mental health issues unrelated to his basketball shooting form, but that's irrelevant speculation that could be applied to anyone.

Well said. I do not know the issue and will not speculate. I just know that when I watched him, I felt bad for him. Something is clearly going on in the Central Nervous System.

No test showed any structural disfunction that we know about. I am aware that i wont change your mind. Its impossible if you dont question his diagnosis after what happened in the last 7 years and especially this season. His interview screams that he needs help outside of pure physical therapy. Just remember what i said after it becames public (if ever)

[bigdogdylan5]

This Magic board can so bipolar. Franz misses a couple rare games and suddenly he is trade bait.

Also love the “Caleb Houston is trash” after that 0 for game and now “he’s Klay Thompson”. It’s legit nuts.

[AaronB]

Conversion disorder is a psychological disorder in which there are 4 requirements that all must be met for diagnosis. In Fultz's case, two of these are not met outright (1. that symptoms aren’t consistent with recognized medical conditions and 2. there's no other explanation for your symptoms, such as another medical condition or mental health issue).

So no, Fultz would not meet the required criteria for diagnosis of conversion disorder. He could certainly have underlying mental health issues unrelated to his basketball shooting form, but that's irrelevant speculation that could be applied to anyone.

Well said. I do not know the issue and will not speculate. I just know that when I watched him, I felt bad for him. Something is clearly going on in the Central Nervous System.

No test showed any structural disfunction that we know about. I am aware that i wont change your mind. Its impossible if you dont question his diagnosis after what happened in the last 7 years and especially this season. His interview screams that he needs help outside of pure physical therapy. Just remember what i said after it becames public (if ever)

You won't change my mind for 2 reasons: the first is that I don't know what the issue is, so there is nothing to change and the second reason is that what you are saying is stupid.

It is stupid because you have next to nothing to base your diagnosis on other than a 2-minute interview after a game.

CNS diseases rarely have a structural diagnosis (yet, although they have made progress on CNS diseases like MS), but that does not make them psychiatric.

So the bottom line is that I will not speculate on what the issue is and that even if your speculation turns out to be right, it is still stupid because there is so little information to base that kind of diagnosis.

Apply the old saying, even a broken clock is right twice per day.

I rarely use words like "stupid" in forums because they are inflammatory, but when people resort to internet doctoring, I believe it to be justified.

[eyriq]

I feel like knightro warps reality so that he's always right.

Discounts Fultz's contributions, pushes to sell high, tells us to take Fultz's "I just said **** it" moment with a grain of salt, and indeed Fultz has regressed and is as bad as ever.

Tells us Weltman is indecisive and trying to win without making win-now moves, and indeed both lottery picks were planned to be out of the rotation while we just let things play out without a proactive fart to sniff from Weltman's direction.

[Skybox]

I said it many times...if Paolo and Franz are going to have crazy high usage, there is no reason not to play Suggs at PG. Hes capable of making plays but he wouldn't have to do it all that much. He's light years ahead of AB for sure. Find a really good SG to pair with him.

I go back and forth on this. A good ball-handling guard would make everyone's life a lot easier and the offense more efficient. But pairing that with size and shooting is going to cost a lot of money, if a player like that is even available. You can't construct the perfect roster.

good stuff often does. It's an investment...enough with the bargain hunting. Let's go buy something nice.

*I would love to have Suggs as PG, but I don't believe he can be or should be. Telling him "you're Point Guard now" won't make it true....depends how high you're aiming long-term. He's definitely capable of minutes on-ball, but it's not optimal to a great degree.

[Knightro]

I feel like knightro warps reality so that he's always right.

Discounts Fultz's contributions, pushes to sell high, tells us to take Fultz's "I just said **** it" moment with a grain of salt, and indeed Fultz has regressed and is as bad as ever.

Tells us Weltman is indecisive and trying to win without making win-now moves, and indeed both lottery picks were planned to be out of the rotation while we just let things play out without a proactive fart to sniff from Weltman's direction.

That's not nice

EDIT: Unless that was complimentary, in which case I've always respected you

[VFX]

I would probably consider moving Franz and pick around draft time for Alex Sarr Center from France!

Franz is coming up on a contract extension and we have to figure out our interior presence situation someday!

I would say there is still time to delete this, but I already responded.

Unless you meant Fultz and not Franz.

What players are on the table for Franz! Unless Giannis magically gets unhappy with Bucks organization after signing extension! There's no one I would really realistically trade him for!

Luka is not going no where!

My guy…

Franz is going nowhere. He’s the surest thing Orlando has right now at a position of extreme value. Only Paolo is more valued asset on this roster. There is no draft asset worth trading Franz for in this upcoming draft. Orlando has to build around him and Paolo and that’s not a bad thing.

[VFX]

I feel like knightro warps reality so that he's always right.

Discounts Fultz's contributions, pushes to sell high, tells us to take Fultz's "I just said **** it" moment with a grain of salt, and indeed Fultz has regressed and is as bad as ever.

Tells us Weltman is indecisive and trying to win without making win-now moves, and indeed both lottery picks were planned to be out of the rotation while we just let things play out without a proactive fart to sniff from Weltman's direction.

To be fair… He’s reading the tea leaves like most of us.

[RookieStar]

Fultz gonna be playing with Dwight in the Philippines soon

There was a basketball article that Andre Roberson is playing with Dwight also? So we sending 3 non-shooting guys there? Are they building an Asian version of the Magic?

[SOUL]

Franz is going nowhere. He’s the surest thing Orlando has right now at a position of extreme value. Only Paolo is more valued asset on this roster. There is no draft asset worth trading Franz for in this upcoming draft. Orlando has to build around him and Paolo and that’s not a bad thing.

+1.

Although this little injury stretch is showing that it is vital that Franz be able to hit that three again. We absolutely need his driving, but we can't have him being a sub 30% three point shooter.