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Chandan wrote:HumbleRen wrote:IQ is my favourite player to watch on this team now. It feels so effortless with him.
If he can get more lift on his mid range shot + finishing better, he’s easily an all star caliber PG.
goes to show how this forum overrate its own players. 2 knicks (that this board often makes fun of) comes in and instantly becomes 2 of the better players that knows how to make an impact on the game.
Chandan wrote:HumbleRen wrote:IQ is my favourite player to watch on this team now. It feels so effortless with him.
If he can get more lift on his mid range shot + finishing better, he’s easily an all star caliber PG.
goes to show how this forum overrate its own players. 2 knicks (that this board often makes fun of) comes in and instantly becomes 2 of the better players that knows how to make an impact on the game.
HumbleRen wrote:Chandan wrote:HumbleRen wrote:IQ is my favourite player to watch on this team now. It feels so effortless with him.
If he can get more lift on his mid range shot + finishing better, he’s easily an all star caliber PG.
goes to show how this forum overrate its own players. 2 knicks (that this board often makes fun of) comes in and instantly becomes 2 of the better players that knows how to make an impact on the game.
I don’t think OG was overrated by us but our depth and self creation talent was so bad before the trade that having a role player skillset that OG has just can’t be your 3rd best player in the modern NBA.
The sheer fact that we have 4 guys who can competently dribble a ball and be a threat with it is so much more valuable than anything OG can do for us. For the Knicks ? OG guarding 1-5 at a high level, shooting 3’s and having low usage is more valuable than anything RJ can bring to the table for them.
It’s truly a win win, long term? I think we probably win the trade because IQ’s ceiling is just much higher than OG’s but both teams won’t regret the trade.
Chandan wrote:HumbleRen wrote:Chandan wrote:
goes to show how this forum overrate its own players. 2 knicks (that this board often makes fun of) comes in and instantly becomes 2 of the better players that knows how to make an impact on the game.
I don’t think OG was overrated by us but our depth and self creation talent was so bad before the trade that having a role player skillset that OG has just can’t be your 3rd best player in the modern NBA.
The sheer fact that we have 4 guys who can competently dribble a ball and be a threat with it is so much more valuable than anything OG can do for us. For the Knicks ? OG guarding 1-5 at a high level, shooting 3’s and having low usage is more valuable than anything RJ can bring to the table for them.
It’s truly a win win, long term? I think we probably win the trade because IQ’s ceiling is just much higher than OG’s but both teams won’t regret the trade.
i dont think you can say IQ's ceiling is higher than OG, given OG is probably the perfect 3 and D player, unless IQ can somehow become a bonafide all star lead guard.
HumbleRen wrote:Chandan wrote:HumbleRen wrote:IQ is my favourite player to watch on this team now. It feels so effortless with him.
If he can get more lift on his mid range shot + finishing better, he’s easily an all star caliber PG.
goes to show how this forum overrate its own players. 2 knicks (that this board often makes fun of) comes in and instantly becomes 2 of the better players that knows how to make an impact on the game.
I don’t think OG was overrated by us but our depth and self creation talent was so bad before the trade that having a role player skillset that OG has just can’t be your 3rd best player in the modern NBA.
The sheer fact that we have 4 guys who can competently dribble a ball and be a threat with it is so much more valuable than anything OG can do for us. For the Knicks ? OG guarding 1-5 at a high level, shooting 3’s and having low usage is more valuable than anything RJ can bring to the table for them.
It’s truly a win win, long term? I think we probably win the trade because IQ’s ceiling is just much higher than OG’s but both teams won’t regret the trade.
OakleyDokely wrote:
Chandan wrote:i dont think you can say IQ's ceiling is higher than OG, given OG is probably the perfect 3 and D player, unless IQ can somehow become a bonafide all star lead guard.
HumbleRen wrote:Completely disagree.
An all star caliber PG is better than the best 3&D player to me. We’ve seen time and time again that you don’t need the singular best 3&D player in the league to win at the highest level, you just need a competent one. Also I think Derrick White at the moment is comfortably the best “3&D player” right now lol.
mrdressup wrote:I'll take IQ over OG 100/100. The OG years were dull and recently painful for us. IQ has the ability to lift our team and transform our offense. OG's a stabilizer, and that's what NY needed.
StopitLeo wrote:Chandan wrote:i dont think you can say IQ's ceiling is higher than OG, given OG is probably the perfect 3 and D player, unless IQ can somehow become a bonafide all star lead guard.
I don’t know how we are determining their ceilings but whatever OG’s ceiling is I would argue he’s as close to it as he will get. Even if Quickley’s ceiling is lower it’s clear that he hasn’t finished developing.
IQ may never become an All-Defensive Team selection but he’s a good defender and when you factor in his offence I think he has All-Star potential.
As a basketball player, I would argue that Quickley is as good or better than OG in all areas unrelated to his size (i.e., defensive versatility), with the exception of steals. The difference in steals could be the result of guarding point-of-attack vs. off-ball and I’m not even sure how that breaks down for each player.
With respect to rebounding, OG only averages around 1 more per game in his career than IQ, split 0.5 and 0.5 between offensive and defensive boards. It is a small sample size but IQ’s rebounding numbers are comparable since coming to Toronto.
The most significant difference between them, and it is a massive difference, is that IQ is a 3-level scorer who can be a legitimate primary offensive threat. OG is an elite 3&D player but his career 3P% is only 0.03% higher than IQ’s and this season Quickley is shooting a higher 3P% on almost identical volume. OG’s offensive game is basically high-level 3 point shooting. In 7 years his ball-handling and offensive repertoire has not developed to the point where he can reliably or effectively attack off the dribble; this is quite evident from his limited 1 move attacks and frequent straight line charges.
In the end they are both very good players who play different roles and the trade addresses weaknesses on both teams without creating significant team deficiencies with the outgoing player. A very rare win-win.
Sinant wrote:I treat the Phoenix/Cleveland/Boston Shaqs like I do Wizards MJ. Never happened.
GM89 wrote:mrdressup wrote:I'll take IQ over OG 100/100. The OG years were dull and recently painful for us. IQ has the ability to lift our team and transform our offense. OG's a stabilizer, and that's what NY needed.
That's not on OG but on the FO for assembling a flawed team.
I’ll start with the trade.
Obviously this is a business, but when you literally have no idea this is coming…. I mean, there were no rumors, no nothing. Just woke up from a nap on a road trip, in a random hotel room in Indiana, to a text from my agent Raymond Brothers saying, “Call me. You’re getting traded.” Direct, quick, no warning. You get a text like that, and your heart just sinks. It didn’t even feel real. It was like I was in a dream or something. Before I can even hit him back, my phone starts ringing. It’s the Knicks front office. But it wasn’t just anybody. It was one of my guys, World Wide Wes. I call him Unc. I picked up, and man…... as soon as he got on the call, he just started crying. And just like that, my career with the New York Knicks was over. I knew it was forreal.
It’s been one of the craziest weeks in my life forreal. I won’t lie, when I first heard where I was headed, I was like, I don’t know if it’s going to work. Who’s gonna be there? Where am I going to live? I just didn’t know anything. I’m literally kind of still in that moment right now, where I just don’t know. The other day I was in Toronto, I was hungry, and I had no idea where to go eat, you know what I’m saying? But I’m learning to embrace the uncertainty. I can see the bigger picture. I see the opportunity for a larger role, which was kind of a reason that it worked out for both teams. The Knicks got what they wanted, and it helped me to be in a position to show what I can do on a night-to-night basis, which I’m really looking forward to.
Actually, I’m not just looking forward to it — I’m excited about it. The more I get my bearings, the more I can feel myself starting to get comfortable here. One thing I realized off the bat is that this team’s really close already, and even in my short time with the team so far, I can see myself fitting right in. It helps that the vets, they just welcome you with open arms. They make it really easy. The culture here is amazing. I would assume just from what I’ve seen, this has got to be one of the best organizations in theleague as far as togetherness. Everybody’s really just one big family forreal. It’s really cool to see and be a part of. Knowing that they really wanted me here makes everything a lot easier. I just want the Raptors fans to know, if you’re reading this, I wouldn’t want to start my next chapter anywhere else.
