[Woj] Raptors sign Jontay Porter

[And1Skip]

Start him next game. Thad hasn't been too bad but Porter is better. We need him to knock down shots though, he looks more capable than his numbers show.

Pretty sure they left Porter with the bench to maintain rotations.

Thad didn't suck. Wasn't fabulous, but didn't suck either.

Utah basically starts Markkanen at C these days and Kessler comes off the bench. Depends who Raps want to guard Markkanen but I rather of Scottie guard him than Thad or Porter. Porter might be needed to come off the bench to match minutes with Kesller.

[ontnut]

Perhaps when Kololo gets back in game shape, but until then...why?

He's putting up solid numbers and showing potential.

Team is badly in need of forward/Center depth..

Why what?

I agree we need F/C depth, and that he's filling the role well. Never said otherwise.

"He's more likely to be cut or sent back to the Gleague on his 2-way, than he is to finish the season with the big club."

Why this. You make a claim reality doesn't support it.

He's on a 2 way contract. Generally those guys get sent back down to make room for 10-days, vet min signings, waived player signings, taking on extra players in trade - all things that are possible and indeed, likely, for the Raptors as we move towards the deadline. Johntay is the 15th man right now. Since the Raptors don't appear to be tanking, Johntay is the most likely player to get sent back down to make room for such signings.

I don't think Johntay is doing SO good that the Raptors will be content with not making an upgrade at F/C moving forward, esp with Poeltl hurt.

There's a Biyombo thread in here with several fans clamoring for his signing (I'm not necessarily one of them). But hypothetically, if we want to sign Biyombo (or any other player) to a 10-day, Johntay HAS to be sent back down to make room for that.

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what's his contract situation? would signing him cheaply now put us in tax? can we even sign him now?

we might be waiting till the trade deadline is over so we have a full cap picture before signing him.

He's on a 2-way, so I suppose you could use the roster spot to convert him at the minimum? I believe we have the room for a min deal.

I think that's about right. He has lots of games remaining on his two-way before he has to be converted to a full NBA contract. The limit is 50 NBA games, so I think they could wait until the final game of the season to convert him if need be.

[And1Skip]

Why what?

I agree we need F/C depth, and that he's filling the role well. Never said otherwise.

"He's more likely to be cut or sent back to the Gleague on his 2-way, than he is to finish the season with the big club."

Why this. You make a claim reality doesn't support it.

He's on a 2 way contract. Generally those guys get sent back down to make room for 10-days, vet min signings, waived player signings, taking on extra players in trade - all things that are possible and indeed, likely, for the Raptors as we move towards the deadline. Johntay is the 15th man right now. Since the Raptors don't appear to be tanking, Johntay is the most likely player to get sent back down to make room for such signings.

I don't think Johntay is doing SO good that the Raptors will be content with not making an upgrade at F/C moving forward, esp with Poeltl hurt.

There's a Biyombo thread in here with several fans clamoring for his signing (I'm not necessarily one of them). But hypothetically, if we want to sign Biyombo (or any other player) to a 10-day, Johntay HAS to be sent back down to make room for that.

We have 14 players on the roster + 3 two-ways. Koloko is injured indefinitely, so technically isn't Jontay the 13th man (not considering injuries to Poetl and Porter Jr). But if they were all healthy than Jontay would be the 15th man as we have 1 open roster spot which can also go to Biyombo or Justise Winslow eventually. So getting Jontay to be up with the big league roster wouldnt be a problem due to injuries, but more that if they make the Play-In and Playoffs, do they want him on that roster or not.

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what's his contract situation? would signing him cheaply now put us in tax? can we even sign him now?

we might be waiting till the trade deadline is over so we have a full cap picture before signing him.

He's on a 2-way, so I suppose you could use the roster spot to convert him at the minimum? I believe we have the room for a min deal.

I think that's about right. He has lots of games remaining on his two-way before he has to be converted to a full NBA contract. The limit is 50 NBA games, so I think they could wait until the final game of the season to convert him if need be.

5 games played for Johntay out of 38 Raptor games. So in theory, we don't even need to convert him if we don't want, as he maxes out at 49 games for this year. But then I assume he becomes a FA since he only has a 1 year deal, so if we want to keep him, we'd need to convert him at the end of the year for a 2 year+ deal at whatever salary is remaining below the tax/minimum contract.

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"He's more likely to be cut or sent back to the Gleague on his 2-way, than he is to finish the season with the big club."

Why this. You make a claim reality doesn't support it.

He's on a 2 way contract. Generally those guys get sent back down to make room for 10-days, vet min signings, waived player signings, taking on extra players in trade - all things that are possible and indeed, likely, for the Raptors as we move towards the deadline. Johntay is the 15th man right now. Since the Raptors don't appear to be tanking, Johntay is the most likely player to get sent back down to make room for such signings.

I don't think Johntay is doing SO good that the Raptors will be content with not making an upgrade at F/C moving forward, esp with Poeltl hurt.

There's a Biyombo thread in here with several fans clamoring for his signing (I'm not necessarily one of them). But hypothetically, if we want to sign Biyombo (or any other player) to a 10-day, Johntay HAS to be sent back down to make room for that.

We have 14 players on the roster + 3 two-ways. Koloko is injured indefinitely, so technically isn't Jontay the 13th man (not considering injuries to Poetl and Porter Jr). But if they were all healthy than Jontay would be the 15th man as we have 1 open roster spot which can also go to Biyombo or Justise Winslow eventually. So getting Jontay to be up with the big league roster wouldnt be a problem due to injuries, but more that if they make the Play-In and Playoffs, do they want him on that roster or not.

Koloko's spot on the roster still counts as a roster spot unless he gets a DPE, which I'm not sure will happen.
Roster spots don't open up just because guys get injured. The only way that happens is with the hardship exception:

A team qualifies for a hardship exception when it meets all of the following criteria:

It has at least four players unavailable due to injury or illness.
All four of those players have missed at least three consecutive games.
All four of those players are expected to remain sidelined for at least two more weeks.
If a team meets those criteria, the NBA will grant a hardship exception, which gives the club the ability to sign a free agent to a 10-day contract even if its 15-man roster is already full.

Meaning Johntay is the 15th man and we have no more roster spots available at the moment, unless we send Johntay back down, or waive one of the guys like Temple, or open a spot via trade.

[And1Skip]

He's on a 2 way contract. Generally those guys get sent back down to make room for 10-days, vet min signings, waived player signings, taking on extra players in trade - all things that are possible and indeed, likely, for the Raptors as we move towards the deadline. Johntay is the 15th man right now. Since the Raptors don't appear to be tanking, Johntay is the most likely player to get sent back down to make room for such signings.

I don't think Johntay is doing SO good that the Raptors will be content with not making an upgrade at F/C moving forward, esp with Poeltl hurt.

There's a Biyombo thread in here with several fans clamoring for his signing (I'm not necessarily one of them). But hypothetically, if we want to sign Biyombo (or any other player) to a 10-day, Johntay HAS to be sent back down to make room for that.

We have 14 players on the roster + 3 two-ways. Koloko is injured indefinitely, so technically isn't Jontay the 13th man (not considering injuries to Poetl and Porter Jr). But if they were all healthy than Jontay would be the 15th man as we have 1 open roster spot which can also go to Biyombo or Justise Winslow eventually. So getting Jontay to be up with the big league roster wouldnt be a problem due to injuries, but more that if they make the Play-In and Playoffs, do they want him on that roster or not.

Koloko's spot on the roster still counts as a roster spot unless he gets a DPE, which I'm not sure will happen.
Roster spots don't open up just because guys get injured. The only way that happens is with the hardship exception:

A team qualifies for a hardship exception when it meets all of the following criteria:

It has at least four players unavailable due to injury or illness.
All four of those players have missed at least three consecutive games.
All four of those players are expected to remain sidelined for at least two more weeks.
If a team meets those criteria, the NBA will grant a hardship exception, which gives the club the ability to sign a free agent to a 10-day contract even if its 15-man roster is already full.

Meaning Johntay is the 15th man and we have no more roster spots available at the moment, unless we send Johntay back down, or waive one of the guys like Temple, or open a spot via trade.

No I just meant that with Koloko we have 14 not 15, though I thought that was common knowledge unless there's another player we picked up after the trade that I'm not aware of. And the injury thing I was referring to that out of the 15 you can only dress 13 and they are able to dress Jontay simply because there's numerous injuries on the team's "active" roster. But regardless, Raptors need to make a decision on the final roster spot that's open - whether that's converting Jontay or someone else. Same situation with Dowtin last year where they elected to keep Barton instead.

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We have 14 players on the roster + 3 two-ways. Koloko is injured indefinitely, so technically isn't Jontay the 13th man (not considering injuries to Poetl and Porter Jr). But if they were all healthy than Jontay would be the 15th man as we have 1 open roster spot which can also go to Biyombo or Justise Winslow eventually. So getting Jontay to be up with the big league roster wouldnt be a problem due to injuries, but more that if they make the Play-In and Playoffs, do they want him on that roster or not.

Koloko's spot on the roster still counts as a roster spot unless he gets a DPE, which I'm not sure will happen.
Roster spots don't open up just because guys get injured. The only way that happens is with the hardship exception:

A team qualifies for a hardship exception when it meets all of the following criteria:

It has at least four players unavailable due to injury or illness.
All four of those players have missed at least three consecutive games.
All four of those players are expected to remain sidelined for at least two more weeks.
If a team meets those criteria, the NBA will grant a hardship exception, which gives the club the ability to sign a free agent to a 10-day contract even if its 15-man roster is already full.

Meaning Johntay is the 15th man and we have no more roster spots available at the moment, unless we send Johntay back down, or waive one of the guys like Temple, or open a spot via trade.

No I just meant that with Koloko we have 14 not 15, though I thought that was common knowledge unless there's another player we picked up after the trade that I'm not aware of. And the injury thing I was referring to that out of the 15 you can only dress 13 and they are able to dress Jontay simply because there's numerous injuries on the team's "active" roster. But regardless, Raptors need to make a decision on the final roster spot that's open - whether that's converting Jontay or someone else. Same situation with Dowtin last year where they elected to keep Barton instead.

Yep ok, I wasn't sure what you meant by your 13/14/15th man statements.
So yeah, Johntay is the last man on the roster and the 1st to be sent off if we want to make any additions...which is why I said he's more likely to finish the season off of the big club.

Technically, we have $4.85m in hard cap space before the 1st apron, so we COULD waive Temple's $2m for another vet min @ $2-3m to take his spot and still be under the hard cap, but I don't see that as super likely. If OPJ has a season ending injury, he could be a waiver candidate too I suppose.

[Statistician MK]

I am confused with the Johntay's potential...
His "per 36 minutes" stats as a Raptor are very decent: 11.7 pts, 8.2 reb, 5.5 ast, 1,6 stl, 1,6 blk... And pretty good D...

I am mostly confused because of this:
July 30, 2021: Waived by the Memphis Grizzlies.
October 14, 2022: Waived by the Milwaukee Bucks.
October 21, 2023: Waived by the Detroit Pistons.

How could three teams not see what I see in his game?
And on the top of everything, he is young and his salary this year is only $411,794...

I am really confused!
And I'm wondering, should we sign a multi-year contract with him now?

[SpiderMunn]

I am confused with the Johntay's potential...
His "per 36 minutes" stats as a Raptor are very decent: 11.7 pts, 8.2 reb, 5.5 ast, 1,6 stl, 1,6 blk... And pretty good D...

I am mostly confused because of this:
July 30, 2021: Waived by the Memphis Grizzlies.
October 14, 2022: Waived by the Milwaukee Bucks.
October 21, 2023: Waived by the Detroit Pistons.

How could three teams not see what I see in his game?
And on the top of everything, he is young and his salary this year is only $411,794...

I am really confused!
And I'm wondering, should we sign a multi-year contract with him now?

He definitely knows what he's doing out there and makes an impact, plus we need someone who has his play-style. A+, love him.

[Mark_83]

I am confused with the Johntay's potential...
His "per 36 minutes" stats as a Raptor are very decent: 11.7 pts, 8.2 reb, 5.5 ast, 1,6 stl, 1,6 blk... And pretty good D...

I am mostly confused because of this:
July 30, 2021: Waived by the Memphis Grizzlies.
October 14, 2022: Waived by the Milwaukee Bucks.
October 21, 2023: Waived by the Detroit Pistons.

How could three teams not see what I see in his game?
And on the top of everything, he is young and his salary this year is only $411,794...

I am really confused!
And I'm wondering, should we sign a multi-year contract with him now?

I don't think those teams had the need or the style that would have fit his game. Our system needs a big who can spread the floor and pass on offense, while switching on defense.

If he can stay healthy (hopefully McChechnie can work his magic), he's a solid rotation piece. I'd sign him to 3 years at 1M AAV right now if he'd take it. Would be a steal at that price.

[And1Skip]

I am confused with the Johntay's potential...
His "per 36 minutes" stats as a Raptor are very decent: 11.7 pts, 8.2 reb, 5.5 ast, 1,6 stl, 1,6 blk... And pretty good D...

I am mostly confused because of this:
July 30, 2021: Waived by the Memphis Grizzlies.
October 14, 2022: Waived by the Milwaukee Bucks.
October 21, 2023: Waived by the Detroit Pistons.

How could three teams not see what I see in his game?
And on the top of everything, he is young and his salary this year is only $411,794...

I am really confused!
And I'm wondering, should we sign a multi-year contract with him now?

He was waived by the Grizzlies because he wasn't fully healthy as he suffered a tweak in that surgically repaired knee during his time there. (which led him to think about quitting basketball before his brother convinced him out of it).

Bucks signed him to Ex-10 deal and you know those deals rarely pan out to an actual NBA contract, and also that Bucks have to reserve a roster spot to Giannis's brother.

He made a choice to sign Ex-10 deal with the Pistons vs other teams (like the Raps) because he thought it was the best chance for him to make it to their roster, yet it actually was the worse choice considering Pistons have so many centers.

[gbball]

Jontay has been a bright spot in a season where everything else seems like it's going wrong. His emergence has softened the disappointment of a lost season for Koloko.

His defensive awareness and decisiveness has been great. Plus he has a great 3pt shot.

[Statistician MK]

I was reading the comments from the 1st and 2nd page!:)
Very interesting!:)

Many posts should be deleted!:)

[Tripod]

I am confused with the Johntay's potential...
His "per 36 minutes" stats as a Raptor are very decent: 11.7 pts, 8.2 reb, 5.5 ast, 1,6 stl, 1,6 blk... And pretty good D...

I am mostly confused because of this:
July 30, 2021: Waived by the Memphis Grizzlies.
October 14, 2022: Waived by the Milwaukee Bucks.
October 21, 2023: Waived by the Detroit Pistons.

How could three teams not see what I see in his game?
And on the top of everything, he is young and his salary this year is only $411,794...

I am really confused!
And I'm wondering, should we sign a multi-year contract with him now?

I don't think those teams had the need or the style that would have fit his game. Our system needs a big who can spread the floor and pass on offense, while switching on defense.

If he can stay healthy (hopefully McChechnie can work his magic), he's a solid rotation piece. I'd sign him to 3 years at 1M AAV right now if he'd take it. Would be a steal at that price.

When you think of the money we have spent on Thad, OPJ, and Temple, we 100% should try and sign him to a 3 year deal on the cheap.

He still is only 24 years old and had shown he can be a solid bench piece who is SMART. And if Koloko comes back, he is going to need 905 time anyways to get up to speed.

But it would give us diversity in our 3 C's:
Yak the traditional C
KK the vertical threat and rim protector
Porter the smaller C who can make a 3

[SpezNc]

Darko just said he does not want to wait end of season to start development plan for IQ, RJ and Jontay.

Seems like Jontay has done a good impression

[Hero_Panda]

I'm...I'm starting to really like Jontay Porter, up to the point where he maybe should be starting games alongside Barnes.

I mean I still like Poeltl and feel he should get majority of minutes at C even if he does come off the bench, but it's not going to surprise me if Porter is being developed to be the team's C of the future.

[earth007]

I was reading the comments from the 1st and 2nd page!:)
Very interesting!:)

Many posts should be deleted!:)

Yep, that includes me.

[sidsid]

With the post Siakam trade done, we have the pieces to bring back the high post offense through Barnes.

Jontay starts and Jak goes to his rightful fit on the bench. Gary and IQ are your wing shooters/motion guys. Brown and Jontay to the corners, with Brown being a tertiary initiator and wing defender (RJ to the bench fitting a better role). Barnes in the middle orchestrating it all and back full time to his roaming defender role.

It's not going to happen, but if Darko actually wanted his vision of the offense to work while maintaining good enough D, he has the tools for it now.