Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 2

[dunk_a_roo]

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Okay, bench him for the remainder of the year to reduce his market value during the offseason and allow the team to focus on development.

[KrazyP]

I wouldn't say that his upside is a role player just like Delon Wright has become one. Tony Allen was a role player too, but a hell of one, Boris Diaw too. We need those guys, we can't always look for someone who maybe can get some nba accolades in the future. Josh Green in a Danny Green role ? I'll take that, low usage, high efficiency = success. O-Max, Green and a FRP or two maybe ? Sign me up.

Dallas would have to attach a bunch of salary fodder to the deal that could negate a lot of the worth of the marginal assets you're getting back.

Also, every young roleplayer that can hit the 3 isnt going to turn into Danny Green who was basically an OG level 3&D guy. For every young player that turns into Danny Green, theres like 20 others that turn into Kelly Oubre or less.....dime a dozen types with no actual asset value.

If this the type of package out there for Siakam right now, I'd rather just give him the max. I think the Pacers are still the best potential trade partner out there because they can actually give you expiring contracts (which the Mavs dont have), young players with more upside and future 1sts.

this works in the trade checker

pascal (ufa)
otto (ufa)

for

thjr ($16.2)
grant ($13/$13.6/$14.2)
green ($12.6/$13.6/$14.6)
omax ($2.8/$3/$5.3 RFA/ $8.2 QO)

it can also be expanded to the following:

pascal (ufa)
otto (ufa)
boucher ($10.8)

for

thjr ($16.2)
grant ($13/$13.6/$14.2)
green ($12.6/$13.6/$14.6)
omax ($2.8/$3/$5.3 RFA/ $8.2 QO)
holmes ($12.9)

Theres limited upside in that package and ~$50 million of salary commitments for next year.....not a good return.

[ArthurVandelay]

The only trade I see that makes any sense with Dallas (sense means combination of considerations in talent, salary rules, pick rules, both teams remain under tax) would be:

Dallas: Siakam
Raptors: Grant Williams, Holmes, Josh Green, Omax, raps 2025 2nd, 2026 1st

That is better than Sacramento

[nivisi9]

guess Raptors weren't on the "verge" of anything

non of these insiders know anything

[StopitLeo]

Dallas would have to attach a bunch of salary fodder to the deal that could negate a lot of the worth of the marginal assets you're getting back.

Also, every young roleplayer that can hit the 3 isnt going to turn into Danny Green who was basically an OG level 3&D guy. For every young player that turns into Danny Green, theres like 20 others that turn into Kelly Oubre or less.....dime a dozen types with no actual asset value.

If this the type of package out there for Siakam right now, I'd rather just give him the max. I think the Pacers are still the best potential trade partner out there because they can actually give you expiring contracts (which the Mavs dont have), young players with more upside and future 1sts.

I think most people agree that the Pacers are the ideal trade partner but the question is the incentive for them to make the trade. They aren't contenders (yet) so they really only make this trade for Pascal's Bird rights.

The Mavs, on the other hand, have a lot of incentive to trade for Pascal. They are under-performing again and have basically zero avenues to adding significant and immediately impactful talent to their roster now or in the off-season. They have 2 more years with Luka and I can't imagine him staying if they don't improve ASAP, especially if someone as good as Pascal is available and regardless of his free agency status. Dallas has played this game before with trading for Kyrie so they have experience trading for a pending UFA and convincing them to re-sign.

[TorontoBarneys]

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This is not loyalty.

He's putting in 0 effort on defense and has given many indications that he will simply walk in the offseason unless we massively overpay him. I don't know how people can honestly rationalize this as Siakam wanting to finish his career here. Guy can get his payday and then just demand a trade afterwards like so many stars have done, the ability he has to **** with us does not end after we re-sign him.

Boot him for rental value and be done with it. Tired of this ****.

[Wise80]

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Okay, bench him for the remainder of the year to reduce his market value during the offseason and allow the team to focus on development.

It just doesn't make any sense. Is it personal between him and management? Why does he want to stay somewhere where he's not wanted?

[mtcan]

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I don't recall Woj saying this on his pod...and the last published episode is Jan 11. Nothing new since...

Is this fake news?

[Mattatron]

I wouldn't say that his upside is a role player just like Delon Wright has become one. Tony Allen was a role player too, but a hell of one, Boris Diaw too. We need those guys, we can't always look for someone who maybe can get some nba accolades in the future. Josh Green in a Danny Green role ? I'll take that, low usage, high efficiency = success. O-Max, Green and a FRP or two maybe ? Sign me up.

Dallas would have to attach a bunch of salary fodder to the deal that could negate a lot of the worth of the marginal assets you're getting back.

Also, every young roleplayer that can hit the 3 isnt going to turn into Danny Green who was basically an OG level 3&D guy. For every young player that turns into Danny Green, theres like 20 others that turn into Kelly Oubre or less.....dime a dozen types with no actual asset value.

If this the type of package out there for Siakam right now, I'd rather just give him the max. I think the Pacers are still the best potential trade partner out there because they can actually give you expiring contracts (which the Mavs dont have), young players with more upside and future 1sts.

this works in the trade checker

pascal (ufa)
otto (ufa)

for

thjr ($16.2)
grant ($13/$13.6/$14.2)
green ($12.6/$13.6/$14.6)
omax ($2.8/$3/$5.3 RFA/ $8.2 QO)

it can also be expanded to the following:

pascal (ufa)
otto (ufa)
boucher ($10.8)

for

thjr ($16.2)
grant ($13/$13.6/$14.2)
green ($12.6/$13.6/$14.6)
omax ($2.8/$3/$5.3 RFA/ $8.2 QO)
holmes ($12.9)

Yeah, they will probably not trade THJ as a filler because they rely on him as the 6th man.

Holmes
Grant Will (JYD 3.0)
O-Max
Green
+ 1 or 2 frp works too

[KrazyP]

Dallas would have to attach a bunch of salary fodder to the deal that could negate a lot of the worth of the marginal assets you're getting back.

Also, every young roleplayer that can hit the 3 isnt going to turn into Danny Green who was basically an OG level 3&D guy. For every young player that turns into Danny Green, theres like 20 others that turn into Kelly Oubre or less.....dime a dozen types with no actual asset value.

If this the type of package out there for Siakam right now, I'd rather just give him the max. I think the Pacers are still the best potential trade partner out there because they can actually give you expiring contracts (which the Mavs dont have), young players with more upside and future 1sts.

I think most people agree that the Pacers are the ideal trade partner but the question is the incentive for them to make the trade. They aren't contenders (yet) so they really only make this trade for Pascal's Bird rights.

The Mavs, on the other hand, have a lot of incentive to trade for Pascal. They are under-performing again and have basically zero avenues to adding significant and immediately impactful talent to their roster now or in the off-season. They have 2 more years with Luka and I can't imagine him staying if they don't improve ASAP, especially if someone as good as Pascal is available and regardless of his free agency status. Dallas has played this game before with trading for Kyrie so they have experience trading for a pending UFA and convincing them to re-sign.

The Mavs aren't anywhere close to being contenders....they are the same level of team as the Pacers. Their desperation level might be higher but they dont actually have tradeable assets of much value.

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[TorontoBarneys]

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Okay, bench him for the remainder of the year to reduce his market value during the offseason and allow the team to focus on development.

It just doesn't make any sense. Is it personal between him and management? Why does he want to stay somewhere where he's not wanted?

Because we can offer him the most money possible and he can simply demand a trade afterwards like so many stars do nowadays. The meta has changed.

[ItsDanger]

Pacers are on team compete, they have few avenues to get another top player for Haliburton. They have more impetus to make a trade than you think.

[bballsparkin]

claxton is ufa but he would use up most of the space plus we already have yak. no need to put down $40-50 mil at the center spot - especially since claxton isn't a shooter.

maybe i haven't watched enough Claxton lately but I feel he's getting overrated on here. He's not strong enough to be an elite defender at C as I see it. He's very good and younger so would be a nice get at a reasonable price.

[bballsparkin]

The only trade I see that makes any sense with Dallas (sense means combination of considerations in talent, salary rules, pick rules, both teams remain under tax) would be:

Dallas: Siakam
Raptors: Grant Williams, Holmes, Josh Green, Omax, raps 2025 2nd, 2026 1st

That is better than Sacramento

It's worth considering if Siakam has his mind made up to join the Mavs.

[TorontoBarneys]

Pacers are on team compete, they have few avenues to get another top player for Haliburton. They have more impetus to make a trade than you think.

Sure, but their offer just needs to be slightly better than the 2nd best offer, even if the 2nd best offer is completely mediocre.

[OakleyDokely]

I'm sorta a Josh Green truther, mostly because I think he has some untapped potential in a larger role.

Since coming back from his injury, in 11 games, he has shooting splits of 53% fg / 38% 3pt in 26 minutes of action. Last season, he had splits of 53/40. As an off ball shooter with some size, I think he'd play well off of Barnes/IQ/Barrett.

[Jef]

this works in the trade checker

pascal (ufa)
otto (ufa)

for

thjr ($16.2)
grant ($13/$13.6/$14.2)
green ($12.6/$13.6/$14.6)
omax ($2.8/$3/$5.3 RFA/ $8.2 QO)

it can also be expanded to the following:

pascal (ufa)
otto (ufa)
boucher ($10.8)

for

thjr ($16.2)
grant ($13/$13.6/$14.2)
green ($12.6/$13.6/$14.6)
omax ($2.8/$3/$5.3 RFA/ $8.2 QO)
holmes ($12.9)

Would Dallas do this? I'm honestly asking. Because if so, this has gotta be our best get, no?

[LoveMyRaps]

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I don't recall Woj saying this on his pod...and the last published episode is Jan 11. Nothing new since...

Is this fake news?

Well if we're posting Matt Moore, might as well whatever tf this is.

[WuTang_CMB]

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